Showing Trump’s Racist Comments to Latinos and they STILL Support Him

[Juan]

I can’t believe this…

[Schizophonia]

Yes, uncontrolled mass immigration allows the importation of millions of poor, undereducated and dangerous people whatever the reason (biological as sociological); What do you think, that these people will defend the arrival of undesirable people "because they are part of the Latino team"?

 

 

[What Am I]

20 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

Yes, uncontrolled mass immigration allows the importation of millions of poor, undereducated and dangerous people whatever the reason (biological as sociological); What do you think, that these people will defend the arrival of undesirable people "because they are part of the Latino team"?

It's true that those who refer to themselves as "anti-racist" usually seem unable to conceptually separate the individual from their own perceived notions regarding the overarching race. It's as if they expect members of a race to act a certain way, and they're perplexed when one of them expresses a thought that doesn't fit the mold. Depending on your definition, you could almost call that racism.

[Schizophonia]

1 minute ago, What Am I said:

It's true that those who refer to themselves as "anti-racist" usually seem unable to conceptually separate the individual from their own perceived notions regarding the overarching race. It's as if they expect members of a race to act a certain way, and they're perplexed when one of them expresses a thought that doesn't fit the mold. Depending on your definition, you could almost call that racism.

No, they are smart enough and btw doesn't deprive to presenting themselves as very nuanced when they are attacked on their own ideas.

It's when they attack the right that they do this, it's sophism.

Trump has a pretty high IQ and is educated but he talks like he's on benzodiazepines all the time lol so that doesn't help.

[What Am I]

5 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

No, they are smart enough and btw doesn't deprive to presenting themselves as very nuanced when they are attacked on their own ideas.

It's when they attack the right that they do this, it's sophism.

Maybe, hard to say, I guess. Even the smartest of people can have goofy blind spots. In the scenario we're talking about, some of them probably do know better, but I wouldn't be surprised if many are unconscious of their own hypocrisy.

[Joshe]

5 hours ago, Schizophonia said:

Trump has a pretty high IQ and is educated but he talks like he's on benzodiazepines all the time lol so that doesn't help.

I've never seen Trump discuss anything complex. If you have, please point me to it so I can adjust my reading. As far as I can tell, his IQ must be low or average. High IQ people tend to engage with complexity and it's hard for them to hide their propensity to do so.

Trump is so dumb he came up with the idea to inject something approximating bleach into the bloodstream to irradicate Covid-19. I think this idea would only spring from a low IQ. 

I won't hold my breath for any evidence indicative of high IQ. 

[Hatfort]

Overcompensation, some may feel the need to prove to others and themselves that they are as American as non-Latino Americans by things like voting for the most anti-immigrant party or the one perceived as the most patriotic. Some are dumb too, don't forget about that factor.

However, I think the Puerto Rican community may be genuinely mad about being called garbage. Yeah, he said the island, kind of the same. Some more Latinos may not like it either. That was a pretty big campaign mistake by Republicans, every vote counts.

There are many polls, but the only one that matters is on Tuesday though.

[Etherial Cat]

Self-abandonment, desire to fit in, identification with the dominant group, and a desperate desire to prove that one is "part of the good ones."

They will then look at other Latinos—such as those crossing the border—as different from them and insist that they've got nothing to do with the "freaks."

They stick to their desire to vote for Trump after watching all these insulting videos because their inner pattern is a survival mechanism tied to unresolved emotional trauma, and thus their unconscious has an excessively strong pull on their rational mind.

Basically, since we live in a society where the dominant collective ego is rewarding a certain type of masculinity and whiteness, all groups are going to be subject to pressure to suppress their authenticity in the direction of these elements unless some work towards individuation is undertaken.

All groups are subject to this pattern but with different expressions. I don't have any good videos that explain in deep the pattern for latinos, but here is an exemple of an ex MAGA woman who talks about how she ended up voting against her interests.

 

Edited November 3 by Etherial Cat

[Schizophonia]

8 minutes ago, Joshe said:

I've never seen Trump discuss anything complex. If you have, please point me to it so I can adjust my reading. As far as I can tell, his IQ must be low or average. High IQ people tend to engage with complexity and it's hard for them to hide their propensity to do so.

Trump is so dumb he came up with the idea to inject something approximating bleach into the bloodstream to irradicate Covid-19. I think this idea would only spring from a low IQ. 

I won't hold my breath for any evidence indicative of high IQ. 

Idk, i don't follow American politic at all, i just know he his highly qualified and is supposed to have a high iq.

 

[What Am I]

11 minutes ago, Etherial Cat said:

Basically, since we live in a society where the dominant collective ego is rewarding a certain type of masculinity and whiteness, all groups are going to be subject to pressure to suppress their authenticity in the direction of these elements unless some work towards individuation is undertaken.

Would you be willing to expand on this? I have an idea of what you're trying to say, but I'm wondering how it would appear when it's spelled out by someone who's adopted the ideology.

Edited November 3 by What Am I

[enchanted]

I think that what Trump's supporters like is his political INCORRECTNESS because they also want to express themselves without being called a racist bigot and getting cancelled. 

[Etherial Cat]

7 minutes ago, What Am I said:

Would you be willing to expand on this? I have an idea of what you're trying to say, but I'm wondering how it would appear when it's spelled out by someone who's adopted the ideology.

Sure, I'd be happy to expand. When I talk about the ‘dominant collective ego,’  I'm referring to the societal norms and values that tend to be idealized or rewarded in our culture. In many societies, certain expressions of masculinity and certain aspects of whiteness are often portrayed as ideals in the media, workplace, and even in interpersonal relationships. These norms can pressure individuals—regardless of their background—to suppress parts of themselves that don’t align with this ideal, in an attempt to fit in or be successful within that system.

This is where the concept of individuation comes in, as described by Jung. Individuation is about becoming aware of and integrating the full range of one’s identity, values, and beliefs, rather than conforming to the external ideals... It’s a way to reclaim authenticity, making choices based on one’s true self instead of societal expectations. Without this inner work, people may unconsciously adopt behaviors or ideals that don’t truly match who they are, simply because are rewarded/pressured to fit in with the dominant norms.

As a consequence, many men will try to polarize themselves on the masculine side, adopting an idealized vision of masculinity by selecting hyper-polarized models of what it means to be masculine in the said society. Women, on the other hand, will tend to either polarize against their own femininity by ‘out-masculining’ men at this game or conform to a culturally idealized version of femininity that is often caricatured and centered around men’s current cultural desires for what femininity should look like. Often, this idealized femininity reflects the unconscious representation of the collective male anima in the current zeitgeist.

For minority groups, the game follows the same pattern, but with a lot of various expressions. 

For example, many Asians, Latinos, and Africans tend to uphold mixed-race ideals to varying degrees, where features perceived as ethnically undesirable are softened or ‘washed down’ with more European elements. However, this issue is complex and extends far beyond appearance; it can be analyzed through numerous other dimensions, with this example serving as just one accessible illustration.

Hope this is the answer you wanted. I wasn't certain how to interpret your words.

[PurpleTree]

14 minutes ago, Etherial Cat said:

Sure, I'd be happy to expand. When I talk about the ‘dominant collective ego,’  I'm referring to the societal norms and values that tend to be idealized or rewarded in our culture. In many societies, certain expressions of masculinity and certain aspects of whiteness are often portrayed as ideals in the media, workplace, and even in interpersonal relationships. These norms can pressure individuals—regardless of their background—to suppress parts of themselves that don’t align with this ideal, in an attempt to fit in or be successful within that system.

This is where the concept of individuation comes in, as described by Jung. Individuation is about becoming aware of and integrating the full range of one’s identity, values, and beliefs, rather than conforming to the external ideals... It’s a way to reclaim authenticity, making choices based on one’s true self instead of societal expectations. Without this inner work, people may unconsciously adopt behaviors or ideals that don’t truly match who they are, simply because are rewarded/pressured to fit in with the dominant norms.

As a consequence, many men will try to polarize themselves on the masculine side, adopting an idealized vision of masculinity by selecting hyper-polarized models of what it means to be masculine in the said society. Women, on the other hand, will tend to either polarize against their own femininity by ‘out-masculining’ men at this game or conform to a culturally idealized version of femininity that is often caricatured and centered around men’s current cultural desires for what femininity should look like. Often, this idealized femininity reflects the unconscious representation of the collective male anima in the current zeitgeist.

For minority groups, the game follows the same pattern, but with a lot of various expressions. 

For example, many Asians, Latinos, and Africans tend to uphold mixed-race ideals to varying degrees, where features perceived as ethnically undesirable are softened or ‘washed down’ with more European elements. However, this issue is complex and extends far beyond appearance; it can be analyzed through numerous other dimensions, with this example serving as just one accessible illustration.

Hope this is the answer you wanted. I wasn't certain how to interpret your words.

So then why is now Hollywood, most tv, shows etc. so woke? 

[What Am I]

10 minutes ago, Etherial Cat said:

Hope this is the answer you wanted. I wasn't certain how to interpret your words.

Thanks for that. To be honest, I was trying to sniff out if your comments had any reasoned backing or whether they were just a blanket prejudice against men with white skin. But I think you've shown that some thought has occurred on your part, and you didn't just get to this opinion haphazardly. I have zero education in this area, so I'm probably not qualified for much of a back and forth.

[Etherial Cat]

5 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

So then why is now Hollywood, most tv, shows etc. so woke? 

The collective dominant ego may be losing its influence as more individuals break free from its constraints, leading to greater individuality.

Or alternatively, it could be evolving by incorporating elements that challenge its previous norms and beliefs.

So this shift reflects a transition from conservative ideals to progressive ideals.

That's pretty much what the current culture war is about.

I think the truth is in between. The progressive ideals leave more room for people to individuate but at the same time, it can become a sheepish thing too.

[PurpleTree]

5 minutes ago, Etherial Cat said:

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I think it’s mostly nonsense. But i’m not going to argue. Agree to disagree.

[Etherial Cat]

6 minutes ago, What Am I said:

Thanks for that. To be honest, I was trying to sniff out if your comments had any reasoned backing or whether they were just a blanket prejudice against men with white skin. But I think you've shown that some thought has occurred on your part, and you didn't just get to this opinion haphazardly. I have zero education in this area, so I'm probably not qualified for much of a back and forth.

Thank you for your honesty.

I believe that's the right attitude. As you can see from my signature, I fully support this type of critical thinking.

It's great that you are both open-minded to consider this perspective while remaining skeptical. That said, I am confident you will be able to observe for yourself what I've mentioned. It's easy to explore these ideas on your own.

I also want to clarify that I am not prejudiced against White people. I am half-white myself and grew up with my white family. However, my individuation process has required me to do a lot of work to reunify my fragmented psyche. The unrest between my two ethnicities has also impacted me internally, and I can only achieve wholeness by learning to these love both aspects of my experience.

Same for the Masculine/Feminine duality which is present in all of us but in various ratio.

[Etherial Cat]

2 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

I think it’s mostly nonsense. But i’m not going to argue. Agree to disagree.

🤷🏽‍♀️

No problems.

[Joshe]

1 hour ago, Schizophonia said:

Idk, i don't follow American politic at all, i just know he his highly qualified and is supposed to have a high iq.

[What Am I]

7 minutes ago, Etherial Cat said:

Thank you for your honesty.

I believe that's the right attitude. As you can see from my signature, I fully support this type of critical thinking.

It's great that you are both open-minded to consider this perspective while remaining skeptical. That said, I am confident you will be able to observe for yourself what I've mentioned. It's easy to explore these ideas on your own.

7 minutes ago, Etherial Cat said:

I also want to clarify that I am not prejudiced against White people. I am half-white myself and grew up with my white family. However, my individuation process has required me to do a lot of work to reunify my fragmented psyche. The unrest between my two ethnicities has also impacted me internally, and I can only achieve wholeness by learning to these love both aspects of my experience.

Good to know on being unprejudiced. It's interesting how different experiences can afford us various opportunities for growth that may seem so foreign to others. I guess there's always another complexity around the bend in life. Good luck with your endeavors.