Why the hell God designed Survival and death in existence?

[Hojo]

What you are witnessing is a a world a different God created for souls to play in it. Spirits go out into nothing and make planets God didn't make this a spirit did. Or it made it and then another spirit took it over. The other ones join them in playing then we go back home to God the space of nothing between planets. Its just a mini game that a spirit created.  The God is the source of creation not creation. The creator create this. Clearly this creator isn't 100 percent love like God is. When you leave you wont go to the one without 100 percent love for you you go to the one with 100 percent love for you.

God is the space allowing this to exist. I think when you die you can go fly out and make your own space. I see various mystical texts of people saying when I die I will go make a spot meet me there it will be a peaceful spot not like this place.

Gods creation is heaven.

Edited November 3 by Hojo

[Davino]

18 hours ago, Vercingetorix said:

God could have designed a universe where no one dies, there is no suffering, you don't have to fight or kill others to survive. What are the benefits of designing existence the way it is? what is the meaning of survival?

Your question comes from a lack of love for life

A fear and insecurity, separation and finitude

Fill in that gap with Love

Accept and embrace life as it is

The human condition

Then your eyes shall be clean to understand God's design

This is the bottleneck you are facing and why you haven't realized the answer yet. Feel safe, succesful, thriving in life! Loving, excited for life as it is. Then, you will see the whole design of existence and marvel... oh... at its beauty and perfection

[Davino]

Many times we ask existential questions not out of wonder or truth inquiry

But out of pain, suffering, a feeling of injustice etc.

We then point fingers to the grand design of existence to give us explanation for the system

Or maybe you could take responsability for your life and play the role God has ordained you to do 

Within the perfect ruthless fulfillment of your duties then shall come the freedom of mind and spirit

 To contemplate with your conscious will power into the Universal mechanics

[Scholar]

18 hours ago, Vercingetorix said:

God could have designed a universe where no one dies, there is no suffering, you don't have to fight or kill others to survive. What are the benefits of designing existence the way it is? what is the meaning of survival?

The benefit is Infinity.

The meaning of survival is Infinity.

Edited November 3 by Scholar

[zurew]

12 hours ago, Staples said:

You wouldn't be able to have everything else you enjoy without survival and death.

Reality is like a house of cards. You can't just take away one aspect you don't like and expect everything else to stay the same.

For example, without survival and death humans would never have evolved the ability to taste their food. So, if you enjoy the experience of eating, you have survival and death to thank.

Death is a necessary component in order for the universe to exist at all. You don't question why Mars exists, or why birds have wings.
We fear death because we are biologically programmed to.

Do you have an argument for why  God couldn't create a world where any of the things from your list dont exist?

Edited November 3 by zurew

[Davino]

 

[Staples]

6 hours ago, zurew said:

Do you have an argument for why  God couldn't create a world where any of the things from your list dont exist?

How would you create a universe without death? Seriously think about it, what would you have to change in the universe? How could you do it without affecting other aspects of reality in a massive way?

It's a mistake to personify God, like it picks and chooses what it wants to create.

God is not a being, God is a system. And God doesn't use workarounds or avoid certain results within it's system.

Edited November 4 by Staples

[Bruins8000]

19 minutes ago, Staples said:

How would you create a universe without death? Seriously think about it, what would you have to change in the universe? How could you do it without limiting reality in a massive way?

It's a mistake to personify God, like it picks and chooses what it wants to create.

God is not a being, God is a system. And God doesn't use workarounds or avoid certain results within it's system.

What does this mean? God is supposedly infinite, omnipotent and omnipresent. I’m not talking about a personal, biblical god just the idea of the infinite all. How could it be limited to NOT be able to cause a universe to arise without death? Seems you’re limiting the ALL

[Yimpa]

Infinity is so infinite that all kinds of limitations are allowed to be experienced

[Staples]

26 minutes ago, Bruins8000 said:

What does this mean? God is supposedly infinite, omnipotent and omnipresent. I’m not talking about a personal, biblical god just the idea of the infinite all. How could it be limited to NOT be able to cause a universe to arise without death? Seems you’re limiting the ALL

You're welcome to grow wings and fly whenever you like.

[Davino]

25 minutes ago, Yimpa said:

Infinity is so infinite that all kinds of limitations are allowed to be experienced

Of course!

One configuration of Infinity

Is right now

Literally!

Become aware of it now

If it is All

Then it is also this moment 

Of course

It is contained in All

It is contained in Infinity 

Amen

 

[Davino]

This Moment Contains it ALL

[Yimpa]

@Davino I noticed that your profile pic went from infinite to human and back to infinite 

[Yimpa]

I highly recommend the movie Puss in Boots: The Last Wish. It answers your question effortlessly. 

Meow 🐱 

[Breakingthewall]

12 hours ago, Davino said:

This is the bottleneck you are facing and why you haven't realized the answer yet. Feel safe, succesful, thriving in life! Loving, excited for life as it is. Then, you will see the whole design of existence and marvel... oh... at its beauty and perfection

Sure, I don't disagree, but if you are in Auschwitz and the Dr mengele is experimenting with your 6 years old son cutting his arms or anything else, it's not so easy to see the beauty and perfection. 

I mean, there is a side of existence that is not beautiful, it's very ugly. Life use the struggle to evolve and create forms , and in the case of humans struggle become a big shit. It's not the balance that exists in the natural ecosystem, it's high speed evolution pushed by suffering at high level. The human falsehood is the price, and it's not so beautiful, at least it's difficult to see the beauty in it 

What is , let say,  beauty, purity and glory , is the substance of existence, its essence, but the form has a horrible face. It's extremely difficult, maybe impossible, see the beauty in the shit when the shit is real shit, but of course it is

Edited November 4 by Breakingthewall

[Davino]

2 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Sure, I don't disagree, but if you are in Auschwitz and the Dr mengele is experimenting with your 6 years old son cutting his arms or anything else, it's not so easy to see the beauty and perfection. 

Exactly! That's what I ment. As you have also noticed unless some conditions are there, it's very challenging to get this universal insights into the mechanics of Reality or any Awakening really.

2 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

I mean, there is a side of existence that is not beautiful, it's very ugly. Life use the struggle to evolve and create forms , and in the case of humans struggle become a big shit. It's not the balance that exists in the natural ecosystem, it's high speed evolution pushed by suffering at high level. The human falsehood is the price, and it's not so beautiful, at least it's difficult to see the beauty in it 

I see profound intelligence and beauty in it

Who am I to say how the world should be? I hardly can manage my life as I want. I'm not that arrogant to ordain the universe, how to be, or change its fundamental structure. God forbid!

2 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

 What is , let say,  beauty, purity and glory , is the substance of existence, its essence, but the form has a horrible face. It's extremely difficult, maybe impossible, see the beauty in the shit when the shit is real shit, but of course it is

It is very challenging, I do know, but it is possible and so do you know.

To see beatitude in consciousness is like seeing bright in light, quite obvious, if the self recognition happen. To see the brilliance of the design when you're not getting the best hand of it, that is the real work.

[zurew]

9 hours ago, Staples said:

How would you create a universe without death? Seriously think about it, what would you have to change in the universe? How could you do it without affecting other aspects of reality in a massive way?

It's a mistake to personify God, like it picks and chooses what it wants to create.

God is not a being, God is a system. And God doesn't use workarounds or avoid certain results within it's system.

Creating a Universe without death is compatible with multiple models of God, but it seems it isn't compatible with yours .

But God being a system seems to be compatible with a Universe where there is no death.

But I would also expect a universe where there is suffering and death being more probable where a non-loving God creates the Universe or where a mindless set of rules creates the Universe and there are other possibilities as well, but generally speaking I wouldn't expect it to be created under a loving God who has the ability not to create it this way.

Edited November 4 by zurew

[Staples]

2 hours ago, zurew said:

Creating a Universe without death is compatible with multiple models of God, but it seems it isn't compatible with yours .

But God being a system seems to be compatible with a Universe where there is no death.

But I would also expect a universe where there is suffering and death being more probable where a non-loving God creates the Universe or where a mindless set of rules creates the Universe and there are other possibilities as well, but generally speaking I wouldn't expect it to be created under a loving God who has the ability not to create it this way.

Well, if you ever discover such a universe please let me know.

But you will never find it because what you are cannot exist in it.

There can be no humans in a universe without death.

Edited November 4 by Staples

[zurew]

42 minutes ago, Staples said:

There can be no humans in a universe without death.

You keep asserting that, but you havent given any supporting argument in favour of it yet.

What Im saying is not even remotely controversial.

Why couldn't an omnipotent God create a universe with different laws of physics ,where he just spawn humans into existence without any need for evolution or for death to occur?

Or if you don't like the concept of an omnipotent God, you can think of it this way:

What is the contradiction in saying a universe can exist with humans in it where there is no death? (you pointing out some physical limitation won't be sufficient, because what Im talking about is a logical possibility not physical one, there is no reason to presspose the current laws of physics and there is no contradiction entailed there being universes with different laws of physics)

 

Edited November 4 by zurew

[gettoefl]

Death is the price of separation.

You believe the latter and are awarded the former.

You want a finite life in order to be god of your own castle

What an awful trade that is

Ego got you good