You Are Already Awake - This Is Why

[Princess Arabia]

We cannot give a tree a car and tell it to drive it. It is not equipped to do so and is not meant to drive a car for obvious reasons. We cannot teach people anything and have them learn anything if that learning capability wasn't already inherent. It's because it's already pre-programmed within you from the intelligent source to be able to learn. We cannot drink gasoline to nourish ourselves because it wasn't meant to go in the body and we cannot fly because we aren't equipped with wings to do so, that's why we invented airplanes. Do you get the drift.

As far as enlightenment and awakening goes, you cannot enlighten or awaken if it was not already an inherent thing within you to be able to do so. You cannot awaken a tree or a bird or an apple, can you. They are living things even an apple is a living food, but they are not equipped to be able to awaken.

You are pursuing something that you are capable of doing because it's already within you. You cannot awaken if you are not already awake. It's impossible. All the dead sources you are using to awaken yourselves has no power. All the inanimate and non-sentient things you are programming yourselves with to awaken has no power in of themselves to awaken you. The awakened being that you are is what gives them the power; is what's charging them with the electric current of energy that you are. You cannot awaken yourselves if that capacity isn't already inherent. You cannot throw awakening down your throat and eat it to become awakened.

We water a rose bush and give it the right conditions to grow and mature into full blown roses, not apples. It is impossible to turn a rose bush into an apple tree the same way it's impossible to awaken into a conscious more enlightened being if you are an elephant. 

Whether or not I believe in enlightenment and awakening is not the issue here. Understand than. I'm not arguing for their validities. I'm simply saying it's impossible to awaken or become enlightened if you are not already that inherently. Acting that way or feeling that way is besides the point of my post. Those are outer manifestations of the cause. 

What you are really pursuing is to be able to embody, feel and express your already enlightened and awakened self, to charge it, to shock the psyche into being that, If there's already such a thing; and like I said, my post is not about whether there's such a thing or not but to show you how it's not possible if you were not already that. So, when I say, you are already awakened or enlightened that's what I'm pointing to. I'm not saying one is acting or being awakened. That's on the individual to recognize it within themselves to notice the difference. We cannot do that for them. We can activate our already awakened selves into being not become enlightened out of thin air.

That's all.

Edited November 2 by Princess Arabia

[Breakingthewall]

not agree, there is absolute awakening. It is obvious, you exist, so what you ultimately are is existence, but you perceive yourself as a limited human. There are innate structures created by millions of years of evolution that make this so, since this has been the most efficient configuration. You can dissolve all these structures and perceive yourself as the unlimited existence outside of time and any limits. It is something difficult and counterintuitive since the mind works with limits. is to achieve total openness. It doesn't mean that you are going to enjoy every minute of human life and that, because that openess is not permanent, it happens sometimes, other times you are in the structured mind. 

[Sugarcoat]

No im not 

[PurpleTree]

23 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

You cannot awaken a tree

😡

[Breakingthewall]

22 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

What you are really pursuing is to be able to embody, feel and express your already enlightened and awakened self, to charge it, to shock the psyche into being that, If there's already such a thing; and like I said, my post is not about whether there's such a thing or not but to show you how it's not possible if you were not already that. So, when I say, you are already awakened or enlightened that's what I'm pointing to.

It's not like that, it's a process to achieve the total openess, face the absolute abyss of existence and become it. You should follow your instinct and be totally determined to do it. 

If your goal is understanding, infinite love, finishing the suffering, etc , you are wrong, the goal is the total openess to what you are, without any limitation. 

It's not like: oh, I was always awaken but I didn't realize, it's a subtle change. No, it's something total, you have to see in front of you the black hole of existence and become it. 

[Princess Arabia]

6 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

not agree, there is absolute awakening. It is obvious, you exist, so what you ultimately are is existence, but you perceive yourself as a limited human. There are innate structures created by millions of years of evolution that make this so, since this has been the most efficient configuration. You can dissolve all these structures and perceive yourself as the unlimited existence outside of time and any limits. It is something difficult and counterintuitive since the mind works with limits. is to achieve total openness. It doesn't mean that you are going to enjoy every minute of human life and that, because that openess is not permanent, it happens sometimes, other times you are in the structured mind. 

You have missed the point of the post. The only way you can do what you're suggesting here is because it's already within you to do so. You yourself said we perceive ourselves as human. Nothing perceived is separate from you, so it is you. Dissolving something is coming from within you. You are using your own capabilities to be able to dissolve it. Perception is also coming from within you. It's all coming from within you. You are not a magician to be able to do all those things you're talking about if they were not already within you to perform them. So whatever it is that you're trying to accomplish in your statement above is already within you wouldn't be able to accomplish them. Really think about what I'm saying here.

[Princess Arabia]

2 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

It's not like that, it's a process to achieve the total openess, face the absolute abyss of existence and become it. You should follow your instinct and be totally determined to do it. 

If your goal is understanding, infinite love, finishing the suffering, etc , you are wrong, the goal is the total openess to what you are, without any limitation. 

It's not like: oh, I was always awaken but I didn't realize, it's a subtle change. No, it's something total, you have to see in front of you the black hole of existence and become it. 

Ok, I'll give you your pursuit. The only way you can accomplish this is if it's already within you. YOU CANNOT BECOME SOMETHING YOU ARE NOT ALREADY.

[Princess Arabia]

11 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

No im not 

Who is saying that. You cannot know that you're not awake if you don't know what it's like to be awake. Please contemplate on that before you respond.

[Breakingthewall]

3 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

You have missed the point of the post. The only way you can do what you're suggesting here is because it's already within you to do so. You yourself said we perceive ourselves as human. Nothing perceived is separate from you, so it is you. Dissolving something is coming from within you. You are using your own capabilities to be able to dissolve it. Perception is also coming from within you. It's all coming from within you. You are not a magician to be able to do all those things you're talking about if they were not already within you to perform them. So whatever it is that you're trying to accomplish in your statement above is already within you wouldn't be able to accomplish them. Really think about what I'm saying here.

It's like learning something. It's like learning dancing or anything else. You could say that you didn't learn because the dance was always inside you, but if you don't learn, you don't dance

[Sugarcoat]

Just now, Princess Arabia said:

Who is saying that. You cannot know that you're not awake if you don't know what it's like to be awake. Please contemplate on that before you respond.

Because I still have a sense of self and on 5 Meo dmt that partially/completely broke down so there’s a difference

[Breakingthewall]

2 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Ok, I'll give you your pursuit. The only way you can accomplish this is if it's already within you. YOU CANNOT BECOME SOMETHING YOU ARE NOT ALREADY.

Yes, of course, everyone who exist is the existence, but nobody can perceive it because there are structures that prevent it. You could dissolve those structures or not. 

[Princess Arabia]

6 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

It's like learning something. It's like learning dancing or anything else. You could say that you didn't learn because the dance was always inside you, but if you don't learn, you don't dance

You learn because you have the innate capabilities to learn. You did not invent the processes that goes on in the learning process which involves the brain and motion receptors - however you put it, but you get the drift. All you know is that you can learn. Dance is just one thing to learn, so is math. The learning capabilities were already programmed within you to be able to learn the same way the awakened capabilities are already within you to awaken. TO LEARN/TO AWAKEN. Same thing, different activity.

Edited November 2 by Princess Arabia

[Salvijus]

1 hour ago, Princess Arabia said:

YOU CANNOT BECOME SOMETHING YOU ARE NOT ALREADY.

The question is how aware are we of who we truly are? As opposed to holding a false identity with the body-mind only. This awareness have degrees. Depending on the depth on this awareness can we judge the depth of one's enlightenment or knowledge of themselves. 

Edited November 2 by Salvijus

[Princess Arabia]

5 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Yes, of course, everyone who exist is the existence, but nobody can perceive it because there are structures that prevent it. You could dissolve those structures or not. 

The thing you are using to dissolve those structures is connected to those structures. How can you hammer something from a distance. The structure and the thing using to dissolve the structure will become one in the process just from being aware of the structure, you are already that structure.

[Breakingthewall]

Just now, Princess Arabia said:

The thing you are using to dissolve those structures is connected to those structures. How can you hammer something from a distance. The structure and the thing using to dissolve the structure will become one in the process just from being aware of the structure, you are already that structure.

That's why it's very difficult, who wants to pass through the door is the door, and that door is very well built

[Princess Arabia]

5 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

The question is how aware are we of who we truly are? As opposed to holding a false identity with the body-mind only. This awareness have degrees. Depending on the depth on this awareness can we judge the depth of one's enlightenment or knowledge of themselves. 

Not the point of the post. Your point is taken, but that's for another type of discussion. "The question is", is not what ilm trying to point to. This is a diversion from the issue at hand.

Edited November 2 by Princess Arabia

[Princess Arabia]

1 minute ago, Breakingthewall said:

That's why it's very difficult, who wants to pass through the door is the door, and that door is very well built

Very difficult to do the impossible.

[Salvijus]

1 hour ago, Princess Arabia said:

Not the point of the post. Your point is taken, but that's for another type of discussion. "The question is", is not what ilm trying to point to. This is a diversion from the issue at hand.

The reason I raised this point is because it dismantles the idea that we are already awake. In truth we are blind fools in need of lots of illumination still lol. 

Edited November 2 by Salvijus

[Breakingthewall]

6 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Very difficult to do the impossible.

It's possible. You have to have the constant intention to do it, then little by little you undermine the barriers that you yourself are, until at a given moment they get broken. You have to have an accurate intuition, since you can believe that you are breaking barriers when you are really making them more solid.

Edited November 2 by Breakingthewall

[Princess Arabia]

1 minute ago, Salvijus said:

The reason I raised this point is because it dismantles the idea that we are already awake. In truth we are blind idiots in need of lots of illumination still lol. 

Did you read and comprehend my post.