"Smartest Man in the World" agrees with Leo on Nature of God

[Carl-Richard]

On 1.11.2024 at 7:28 PM, Princess Arabia said:

He doesn't see it fully as Leo does. He thinks there's a physical reality, while Leo says it's all mental.

When Langan says "physical reality", he means the spatio-temporal aspect of reality. It's what a set of observers would roughly agree is present, for example a chair in a room. He is not a physicalist. He does not place spatio-temporal entities (e.g. atoms or quantum interactions) at the bottom of reality.

 

On 1.11.2024 at 8:33 PM, Princess Arabia said:

I don't even think that's what Leo says. I doubt he says God creates all of Reality because that's putting God outside of Reality and that Reality is actually a thing being created objectively.

What's inside of reality? Is math real?

Edited November 3 by Carl-Richard

[Consept]

The smartest man in the world thinks Trump has the intelligence of a harvard professor? Either I'm really dumb missing Trumps intelligence or the smartest man in the world has gaps in his perception 

[Davino]

@LoneWonderer Thanks for sharing the interview. I have discrepancies with Chris Langan yet I always learn and get nice insights when listening to him. 

[Asayake]

On 01/11/2024 at 7:28 PM, Princess Arabia said:

He doesn't see it fully as Leo does. He thinks there's a physical reality, while Leo says it's all mental. Other stuff too but I haven't finished watching, but there are lots of differences in the way they both see it as far as what I've understood from Leo so far. Didn't hear him say anything about imaginary and he speaks about God as it's separate.

What's the difference between saying it's all mental or physical? Those two examples seems to me to be just a difference in bias and not much different. They both reduce reality down to the physical realm or the mental realm. Does Leo really frame it in that way? To me recognizing both the physical and mental realms seem more balanced 

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[Carl-Richard]

15 hours ago, Consept said:

The smartest man in the world thinks Trump has the intelligence of a harvard professor? Either I'm really dumb missing Trumps intelligence or the smartest man in the world has gaps in his perception 

Not long ago, I started to realize how much having the right knowledge matters for how people perceive you with respect to intelligence. And it really opened my eyes about what might be possible to achieve if you simply pursue something.

College professors have a lot of knowledge that make them seem smart, but they might not have that much higher IQ than somebody else. Trump has a relatively high IQ but dogshit political knowledge. And he needs to have a high IQ to be able to spew that much bullshit that quickly 😆

Edited November 4 by Carl-Richard

[Princess Arabia]

6 hours ago, Asayake said:

To me recognizing both the physical and mental realms seem more balanced 

I'm speaking on an existential level. What seems more balanced is irrelevant to what is. Reality appears physical but it's not. You are seeing the contents of your mind. This is not about not recognizing the physical or neglecting the physical, it's that I'm simply saying Reality is mental. The Universe is a mind and what you see is mind activity. Now, sure it appears real and physical and I don't go around saying yadi dee, yadi da, there's nothing here but mind, I'm just saying what it actually is.

 

 

 

 

Edited November 4 by Princess Arabia

[Consept]

11 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

Not long ago, I started to realize how much having the right knowledge matters for how people perceive you with respect to intelligence. And it really opened my eyes about what might be possible to achieve if you simply pursue something.

College professors have a lot of knowledge that make them seem smart, but they might not have that much higher IQ than somebody else. Trump has a relatively high IQ but dogshit political knowledge. And he needs to have a high IQ to be able to spew that much bullshit that quickly 😆

I hear you in that, someone could be super specialised and work really hard in one academic area and succeed despite not having a particularly high IQ. In fact I think some people can be overly confident because they have a degree in say psychology and then think that they can speak on politics without studying that (cough peterson). 

But where I would disagree is I dont think Trump is particularly intelligent, I actually think hes quite low intelligence, I would love for him to do an IQ test. Spewing bullshit is not necessarily a sign of intelligence, especially with how transparent his bullshit is, I think there are much better bullshitters in the world even. What I think he is really good at is being ruthless and being super confident. He believes hes intelligent, he believes he is the best man thats ever lived, his super power is his ego, when you add ruthlessness to it, it means hes willing to do what ever he needs to do to get what he wants. A lot of people are hampered by trying to appear like a good person at least, if not having actual morals and values but he doesnt have to deal with any of that.

I dont know if youve heard some of the Epstin tapes that have come out, not that Epsteins the most credible source, but hes said on the tapes that Trump doesnt know anything, he knows something about real estate but has no clue about anything else, political or otherwise. I think most people that have worked with him would say the same. 

Also after seeing him brag about passing a dementia test i really cant take any claims about his intelligence seriously 

 

[Jehovah increases]

 The world is such a small  finite limited place

Edited November 4 by Jehovah increases

[Scholar]

17 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

Not long ago, I started to realize how much having the right knowledge matters for how people perceive you with respect to intelligence. And it really opened my eyes about what might be possible to achieve if you simply pursue something.

College professors have a lot of knowledge that make them seem smart, but they might not have that much higher IQ than somebody else. Trump has a relatively high IQ but dogshit political knowledge. And he needs to have a high IQ to be able to spew that much bullshit that quickly 😆

Trump does have have high IQ. Spewing bullshit doesnt require high IQ, it requires a lot of baffoons to listen to you.

[Lyubov]

On 11/2/2024 at 6:37 PM, Princess Arabia said:

I've never been in a physical state unless it was mental before hand. I have pain in my hand because my sense of touch or whatever sense I used to feel the pain. I'm not saying there's nothing appearing out there, it's only appearing. That pain is being felt on the outside of your body. Take the pain and carry it to the doctor and leave your hand behind. Can't be done, therefore the pain is mental. You see that tree with your eyes, sense of sight, walk away and there's no tree to use that mental sense of sight to see. It's all mental. Saying I can't see the tree but I know it's there is still using memory or some sort of mental capacity, in this case it's thought, still mental.

Sure and that’s important distinction, because it has positive implications for law of attraction but most people I have seen that talk like this tend to neglect any strategic long term thinking that accounts for this dimension of reality, really seeing it in a truthful way to then set your life up on and build it.

> “Oh it’s all just mental”
> proceeds to do shrooms daily while their life rots away and their bank dries up 

We can agree upon the use of the word mental here but I’m wondering if you agree that there are physical consequences for actions which you won’t be able to just wish or think away if you are not responsible for your actions. 

[Carl-Richard]

6 hours ago, Consept said:

What I think he is really good at is being ruthless and being super confident. He believes hes intelligent, he believes he is the best man thats ever lived, his super power is his ego, when you add ruthlessness to it, it means hes willing to do what ever he needs to do to get what he wants. A lot of people are hampered by trying to appear like a good person at least, if not having actual morals and values but he doesnt have to deal with any of that.

I agree, and that is what makes him an ex-president of the United States. If he was not incredibly ruthless and confident, he would simply be above average IQ. And I believe he is above average. You simply don't achieve the things he has achieved without being at least above average IQ. Maybe that says more about IQ than anything else. Even Chris Langan will be quick to state the limits of IQ. It's simply the speed with which you learn and process things. It says less about how deeply you learn things, or how complex your thinking is, or how wise you are.

 

6 hours ago, Consept said:

I dont know if youve heard some of the Epstin tapes that have come out, not that Epsteins the most credible source, but hes said on the tapes that Trump doesnt know anything, he knows something about real estate but has no clue about anything else, political or otherwise. I think most people that have worked with him would say the same.

Exactly. Knowledge ≠ IQ. Certainly, IQ helps you to gain knowledge, but some are just surprisingly unknowledgeable despite their IQ. I know many people like that. IQ is not the same as being intellectually interested.

Edited November 4 by Carl-Richard

[Princess Arabia]

1 hour ago, Lyubov said:

Sure and that’s important distinction, because it has positive implications for law of attraction but most people I have seen that talk like this tend to neglect any strategic long term thinking that accounts for this dimension of reality, really seeing it in a truthful way to then set your life up on and build it.

> “Oh it’s all just mental”
> proceeds to do shrooms daily while their life rots away and their bank dries up 

We can agree upon the use of the word mental here but I’m wondering if you agree that there are physical consequences for actions which you won’t be able to just wish or think away if you are not responsible for your actions. 

You went into a whole new narrative. I was only sticking to the context within the question and about what reality really is. I've lived long enough to realize consequences for my actions. This is why I'm all the forum posting health and nutrition stuff and discussing relationships. Your mind has taken you to LA LA land as to what it thinks I'm saying. All I'm saying is reality is mental. Thats it. All your doing is putting stories and ideas to what you think I'm saying. Proving my point even more. 

[UnbornTao]

On 11/3/2024 at 8:21 AM, zurew said:

Depends on what we mean by special, but I think I get what you are trying to say - if we take into account as many variables as possible, then no one is special.

But in this sepecific case we are focusing on a more narrow set of variables to make an evaluation of either spiritual development or cognitive development.

Yeah, nobody is. On the other hand, your skill, etc., can be said to be special, although this clearly relates to action (what you do) instead of what one is as a person. Doing vs being.

Da Vinci was another human, but the fucker had acute perception and ability for insight--his learning ability was exceptional.

[Lyubov]

8 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

You went into a whole new narrative. I was only sticking to the context within the question and about what reality really is. I've lived long enough to realize consequences for my actions. This is why I'm all the forum posting health and nutrition stuff and discussing relationships. Your mind has taken you to LA LA land as to what it thinks I'm saying. All I'm saying is reality is mental. Thats it. All your doing is putting stories and ideas to what you think I'm saying. Proving my point even more. 

I was building upon the conversation and adding another point of view on the wording and the potential problems when adopting language like “reality is all mental.” It wasn’t specifically targeted at just you. 

On 11/3/2024 at 5:21 AM, zurew said:

Depends on what we mean by special, but I think I get what you are trying to say - if we take into account as many variables as possible, then no one is special.

But in this sepecific case we are focusing on a more narrow set of variables to make an evaluation of either spiritual development or cognitive development.

How would you even measure spiritual development? I’m not sure I subscribe to this notion of being more spiritually developed than another person. Your spirituality is unique to you. I agree comparisons can be made but this notion is so radically open for interpretation that I’ve personally not found it as a helpful way to look at this subject. 

[Princess Arabia]

4 minutes ago, Lyubov said:

I was building upon the conversation and adding another point of view on the wording and the potential problems when adopting language like “reality is all mental.” It wasn’t specifically targeted at just you. 

Ok. We can also say, one is less delusional when that is recognized to be the case. The closer one is to the realization  of what is the case the less problems they run into and they get solved more efficiently because now they're realizing how the problem was borne to begin with and now better equipped to come at it with a different mindset. There are always two polarities at play.