"Smartest Man in the World" agrees with Leo on Nature of God

[Salvijus]

The interesting thing I found in the video is that he claims God and everything spiritual can be proven using logic alone. And if there is one characteristic of high iq is that they are extremely logically consistent and leave no room for fantasies. It's interesting because usually intellectuals tend to thing everything spiritual to be illogical and woo woo. And here he is. Lol. 

Edited Saturday at 05:15 AM by Salvijus

[Carl-Richard]

12 hours ago, Vibes said:

Leo is the smartest man in the world...

🥴

[zurew]

12 hours ago, Vibes said:

Leo is the smartest man in the world...

😂 cant be serious

[ChrisZoZo]

I wonder if this guy is more intelligent than Leo and Leo has hyper mind. Not sure if it’s hyper name as that name but the one where he becomes super intelligent on 5meodmt

[Davino]

@LoneWonderer In an interview Leo was asked about him and he said something among the lines that Chris Langan is doing as good as can be done with intellect alone. Leo also pointed out the subtle traces of materialism from Chris Langan's world view.

Overall, he concluded that Awakening/Consciousness is necessary and nothing can substitute that stepping stone, not even intelligence.

[Vibes]

1 hour ago, zurew said:

😂 cant be serious

I meant that 'the smartest guy in the world' is not the smartest guy in the world, it's just some bullshit title some others have given him and Leo is way smarter imo. But also, so far I haven't found anyone smarter than Leo... But what do I know, I'm not very smart myself haha

Edited Saturday at 12:24 PM by Vibes

[zurew]

16 minutes ago, Vibes said:

But what do I know, I'm not very smart myself haha

You don't need above average intelligence to see how Leo is wrong about a given thing.

Dont put him on a pedestal, he is not nearly as special as he seems to be.

[Vibes]

12 minutes ago, zurew said:

You don't need above average intelligence to see how Leo is wrong about a given thing.

Dont put him on a pedestal, he is not nearly as special as he seems to be.

He's very special in the sense of his experiences investigating life in the relative sense and metaphysical.

It's very difficult to say what is intelligence, if you learn fast, understand many things from many points of view, make new creative connections, learn and improve from experience, etc all that is intelligence. Leo has all those and more, more deeply. Have you experienced some of what he says, like reality is a Mind for example? 

Those experiences are much deeper intelligence than just being what we usually call smart imo. The guy in the video doesn't seem to have had those deep experiences, it feels like he's just great at understanding conceptually. A lot of knowledge but little experience.

Edited Saturday at 12:45 PM by Vibes

[zurew]

@Vibes Can you name one thing that you think originated from Leo and havent been said before? How do you know that Leo had deep experiences or that he had deeper experiences (whatever that means) compared to other people and gurus?

 

Leo has a track-record of making a bunch of arguments against the weakest possible positions rather than attacking more nuanced and well thought out arguments. Leo also has a track-record of asking questions rather than actually making arguments (as if appealing to incredulity or to the lack of knowledge or lack of answer of his interlocutor would establish any of his points)

When it comes to the justification of any of his points about non-metaphysical points he fumbles hard and when it comes to the justification of his own philosophical and metaphysical stances he also fumbles very hard and start to pivot to asking questions rather than actually laying down an argument that stands on its own feet.

Nothing is special there, all of that can be done by an average person who spends the same amount of time engaging with philosophy and spirituality.

Edited Saturday at 01:00 PM by zurew

[Vibes]

28 minutes ago, zurew said:

when it comes to the justification of his own philosophical and metaphysical stances he also fumbles very hard and start to pivot to asking questions rather than actually laying down an argument that stands on its own feet.

You can't actually explain an experience, you gotta have it. So I understand if some things are not convincing enough and seem like bs from the perspective of someone who didn't have a certain experience.

28 minutes ago, zurew said:

@Vibes Can you name one thing that you think originated from Leo and havent been said before? 

Your point is that other gurus have been talking about what Leo talks about long before and better than Leo and therefore Leo is not original or the smartest?

Why does that even matter?

28 minutes ago, zurew said:

How do you know that Leo had deep experiences or that he had deeper experiences (whatever that means) compared to other people and gurus?

I know some because I have had them too. 

Like I said, the guy in the video doesn't seem to have had deep experiences, it all seems conceptual.

 

Edited Saturday at 01:27 PM by Vibes

[zurew]

6 minutes ago, Vibes said:

You can't actually explain an experience, you gotta have it. So I understand if some things are not convincing enough and seem like bs from the perspective of someone who didn't have a certain experience.

We are not talking about explaining an experience , we are talking about defending metaphysical positions where you contextualize those experiences in a certain way.

Do you think it would be impossible to contextualize it under any other metaphysical stance other than what Leo has? Because its not. Thats where he needs to actually make an argument , and thats where he fumbles very hard.

6 minutes ago, Vibes said:

Your point is that other gurus have been talking about what Leo talks about long before and better than Leo and therefore Leo is not original or the smartest?

Why does that even matter?

Originality in thought in my view indicatates that you probably have above average cognition. Im not sure what makes you think that Leo is above average in any way.

6 minutes ago, Vibes said:

Like I said, the guy in the video doesn't seem to have had deep experiences, it all seems mental.

Based on what?

6 minutes ago, Vibes said:

I know some because I have had them too. 

How do you know that that experience is rare then or something special?

Also how do you know that you two had the same experience? Appealing to some vague words when it comes to the content of the experience doesn't really say much. You can project whatever you want on it.

Edited Saturday at 01:32 PM by zurew

[Vibes]

2 minutes ago, zurew said:

How do you know that that experience is rare then or something special?

Also how do you know that you two had the same experience? Appealing to some vague words when it comes to the content of the experience doesn't really say much. You can project whatever you want on it.

Okay, so have you experienced death?

I discovered that I'm not the body, and how thoughts, feelings, sight and sounds connect together and create a sense of being / being inside the body. I've seen this with my consciousness. I can't really explain. I discovered that I exist without breathing.

Does the guy in the video ever said something like this?

[zurew]

23 minutes ago, Vibes said:

Okay, so have you experienced death?

I discovered that I'm not the body, and how thoughts, feelings, sight and sounds connect together and create a sense of being / being inside the body. I've seen this with my consciousness. I can't really explain. I discovered that I exist without breathing.

Death? We would need to disambiguate what you mean by that, but generally speaking I have had my own share of spiritual experiences.

But im not sure what any of this has to do with Leo and with my original question and with the problem at hand. Again, having certain experiences that one cant explain or explicate isn't what I have issue with  ( although it can be problematic in certain cases, especially when it is used as a justification) , I have issue with taking certain metaphysical positions (where you contextualize those experiences in a certain way) and then not being able to make arguments in favour of it or not being able to defend it.

Even If I grant that you two had the same experience from that wouldn't follow that Leo is special, especially given that you said that you don't claim to be special. 

23 minutes ago, Vibes said:

Does the guy in the video ever said something like this?

I don't know, but even if we grant that he has never said anything about it, from that wouldn't follow that he hasnt had any experience and we are yet to establish why having that experience is needed to be categorized as intelligent.

Edited Saturday at 02:04 PM by zurew

[Davino]

12 hours ago, Yimpa said:

https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkxp1fridRIMHg2-8HCAhKyV8vue3w1Bsil?si=hb4HybCcAGi7PbxS

“The guy can’t read. I’ve met Donald Trump. I think his IQ is equal to that of the average Harvard professor.”

There are mare genius twisted selfish individuals. Take Unabomber for example

[Yimpa]

29 minutes ago, Davino said:

There are mare genius twisted selfish individuals. Take Unabomber for example

“He was a mathematics prodigy, but abandoned his academic career in ‘69 to pursue a reclusive primitive lifestyle.”

God is such a troll 

[UnbornTao]

8 hours ago, zurew said:

Dont put him on a pedestal, he is not nearly as special as he seems to be.

In the end, who is?  

[Lyubov]

On 11/1/2024 at 3:28 PM, Princess Arabia said:

He doesn't see it fully as Leo does. He thinks there's a physical reality, while Leo says it's all mental. Other stuff too but I haven't finished watching, but there are lots of differences in the way they both see it as far as what I've understood from Leo so far. Didn't hear him say anything about imaginary and he speaks about God as it's separate.

Yeah? Isn’t this guy a Trump voter? I remember him making some video in 2020 about egos democrats are corrupt perverts and he speaks on heaven and hell. Goes to show just how wild perspectives and perceptions of reality can get. Ultimately it is impossible for everyone to come to a total unified consensus on these beliefs. While I do agree that physical reality is magic and not what we would perhaps label as this non sentient monolith that exists apart from consciousness, at least from my experience, I would not reduce it down to the word “mental.” You will be brought back down to reality if you do not respect the physical and treat it as any less spiritual than any non physical states you’ve been in. Through hardships and your body you will get to know the physical and if you neglect reality like this.

[Princess Arabia]

1 minute ago, Lyubov said:

Yeah? Isn’t this guy a Trump voter? I remember him making some video in 2020 about egos democrats are corrupt perverts and he speaks on heaven and hell. Goes to show just how wild perspectives and perceptions of reality can get. Ultimately it is impossible for everyone to come to a total unified consensus on these beliefs. While I do agree that physical reality is magic and not what we would perhaps label as this non sentient monolith that exists apart from consciousness, at least from my experience, I would not reduce it down to the word “mental.” You will be brought back down to reality if you do not respect the physical and treat it as any less spiritual than any non physical states you’ve been in. Through hardships and your body you will get to know the physical and if you neglect reality like this.

You are missing the point of what a mental universe means. Cannot neglect anything you know physically. Where's the neglect. Not neglect in the sense of ignoring, neglect in the sense of not knowing it's there. How do you know it's there, by using your senses, can you grab a hold of your senses physically, no you experience them on the mental plane. You cannot know something physically unless you use a mental sense perception.

[Princess Arabia]

5 minutes ago, Lyubov said:

Yeah? Isn’t this guy a Trump voter? I remember him making some video in 2020 about egos democrats are corrupt perverts and he speaks on heaven and hell. Goes to show just how wild perspectives and perceptions of reality can get. Ultimately it is impossible for everyone to come to a total unified consensus on these beliefs. While I do agree that physical reality is magic and not what we would perhaps label as this non sentient monolith that exists apart from consciousness, at least from my experience, I would not reduce it down to the word “mental.” You will be brought back down to reality if you do not respect the physical and treat it as any less spiritual than any non physical states you’ve been in. Through hardships and your body you will get to know the physical and if you neglect reality like this.

I've never been in a physical state unless it was mental before hand. I have pain in my hand because my sense of touch or whatever sense I used to feel the pain. I'm not saying there's nothing appearing out there, it's only appearing. That pain is being felt on the outside of your body. Take the pain and carry it to the doctor and leave your hand behind. Can't be done, therefore the pain is mental. You see that tree with your eyes, sense of sight, walk away and there's no tree to use that mental sense of sight to see. It's all mental. Saying I can't see the tree but I know it's there is still using memory or some sort of mental capacity, in this case it's thought, still mental.

[zurew]

11 hours ago, UnbornTao said:

In the end, who is?

Depends on what we mean by special, but I think I get what you are trying to say - if we take into account as many variables as possible, then no one is special.

But in this sepecific case we are focusing on a more narrow set of variables to make an evaluation of either spiritual development or cognitive development.