Specialitis

[Salvijus]

1 hour ago, PurpleTree said:

Nothing can really be known seemingly so how can anything be refuted?

You can know that you exist. That is one irrefutable knowledge right there. And if you can know what that "you" really is. That is actually a doorway to realize what free will really is btw. 

[PurpleTree]

3 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

You can know that you exist. That is one irrefutable knowledge right there. And if you can know what that "you" really is. That is actually a doorway to realize what free will really is btw. 

I seemingly don’t know what I am or what existence is, so how can i know that i exist?

[Salvijus]

1 hour ago, PurpleTree said:

I seemingly don’t know what I am or what existence is, so how can i know that i exist?

There is no how. Everyone knows that they exist and that they are concious. That's actually the only knowledge that you have in the end.

I exist as what? That's a different question. But that I am, right here right now, is knowledge in everyone that requires no proof for it is the absolute undeniable knowledge. 

Edited November 1 by Salvijus

[PurpleTree]

1 hour ago, Salvijus said:

There is no how. Everyone knows that they exist and that they are concious. That's actually the only knowledge that you have in the end.

I exist as what? That's a different question. But that I am, is undeniable knowledge in everyone. 

When Adam and Steve were in the garden of Eden they were happy they were pure and decent and it was good. No knowledge. When the serpent recommended the fruit of the tree of knowledge as a snack it went downhill. They started to know things. Fear, guilt and shame arose. Cast out of the garden of Eden like an overmotivated pick up guy is cast out of a nightclub.

 

 

just seemingly kidding or whatever. 

Edited November 1 by PurpleTree

[Breakingthewall]

28 minutes ago, gettoefl said:

You WANT hate and misery and pain to exist.

They are necessary to keep the dream alive.

They are nothing to do with you

Who wants? Things happen because they can happen, what "you" are is the substrate of the form, the material, the substance, but also the form. The dream is not a dream, is the flow of the reality, dream implies a dreamer and that's impossible, there is not a director because it would be a limit of the limitless. 

 

31 minutes ago, gettoefl said:

you read the thread I posted above, you will know a living embodiment of what I am pointing to

I  ve read, it's relatively easy to achieve with meditation, you are what exist. But then the form catch you up again and again because you have this genetical programming. 

 

1 hour ago, PurpleTree said:

So then how does seeking end in your opinion? 

The only possible end that I see is that you totally realize that you are what is, then you place yourself in the existence and not in the manifestation of the existence, then you are more or less indifferent to the form and focused in the substance. Then for you it's the same if there is reincarnation or anything, there is always existence, and you are that, then the person dilute and the existence remains. For you life and death are the same, human life, memory, other people, body, 5 senses, all of that is secondary, irrelevant, you are what is

[Salvijus]

1 hour ago, PurpleTree said:

Cast out their of the garden of Eden like an overmotivated pick up guy is cast out of a nightclub.

Lol

[gettoefl]

36 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Who wants? Things happen because they can happen, what "you" are is the substrate of the form, the material, the substance, but also the form. The dream is not a dream, is the flow of the reality, dream implies a dreamer and that's impossible, there is not a director because it would be a limit of the limitless. 

 

I  ve read, it's relatively easy to achieve with meditation, you are what exist. But then the form catch you up again and again because you have this genetical programming. 

 

Who wants is the one who seeks to thwart what the absolute wills.

Which is impossible

The one who looks and says I am this makes one bad move.

Which seems to last a long time

No.

It is corrected instantly.

You are sleeping in heaven having a momentary dream of being in exile

Dream just means to enter a fake finite fearful reality

This is over so please don't linger longer

Did you learn anything in the posted thread or just more ho-hum spirituality?

Edited November 1 by gettoefl

[Breakingthewall]

27 minutes ago, gettoefl said:

Who wants is the one who seeks to thwart what the absolute wills.

If the absolute have a will, then would be relative. The absolute is not something definite who has a will, is the existence. 

 

28 minutes ago, gettoefl said:

You are sleeping in heaven having a momentary dream of being in exile

That's impossible, nothing can be momentary or limited. What's happening is the existence flowing, and in this precise moment has the form of a human, it has infinite forms, and all of them are the same substance, the existence. This now is that heaven that you mentioned, only that seems other thing, like suffering or anything else, but suffering is that heaven that you mentioned too. 

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, PurpleTree said:

When Adam and Steve were in the garden of Eden they were happy they were pure and decent and it was good. No knowledge. When the serpent recommended the fruit of the tree of knowledge as a snack it went downhill. They started to know things. Fear, guilt and shame arose. Cast out of the garden of Eden like an overmotivated pick up guy is cast out of a nightclub.

 

 

just seemingly kidding or whatever. 

Yes, in the Garden of Eden like the chimpanzees, then if you look at the alpha male wrongly he will tear off your arms, and kill the babies of the previous alpha to be more alpha and if they see one from another clan they torture him until death. 

[PurpleTree]

Gosh my dumb ego (for the lack of a better term)

wants to claim almost everything. From beautiful women staring to awakening experiences it’s always like "looky me i’m so special" special-itis, i hope i can get into spacialitis from specialitis.

 

 

It’s seemingly innocent though. Just going through the motions of strange loops and such.

Edited November 1 by PurpleTree

[gettoefl]

3 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

If the absolute have a will, then would be relative. The absolute is not something definite who has a will, is the existence. 

 

That's impossible, nothing can be momentary or limited. What's happening is the existence flowing, and in this precise moment has the form of a human, it has infinite forms, and all of them are the same substance, the existence. This now is that heaven that you mentioned, only that seems other thing, like suffering or anything else, but suffering is that heaven that you mentioned too. 

Will is the same as unconditioned eternal boundless love

which is the same as perpetually unimpeded expanding luminous oneness

This never changes - it is god's job description if you umm will

Want is what drives the universe:

I prefer not to follow Absolute Will since I choose to be god of this dominion

I go my own way and will survive and thrive come what may

God naturally gives free will so is fine with your one rogue thought of separation

and it collapses instantly as  you wake up and realize nothing happened

This universe is but a separation thought's elaborately weaved web

easily unravelled and wholly harmless to what one is

God could not create imperfection, have anything to do with it or even know it exists

And that's from the horse's mouth himself

Edited November 1 by gettoefl

[Breakingthewall]

13 hours ago, gettoefl said:

Will is the same as unconditioned eternal boundless love

which is the same as perpetually unimpeded expanding luminous oneness

This never changes - it is god's job description if you umm will

Want is what drives the universe:

I prefer not to follow Absolute Will since I choose to be god of this dominion

I go my own way and will survive and thrive come what may

God naturally gives free will so is fine with your one rogue thought of separation

and it collapses instantly as  you wake up and realize nothing happened

This universe is but a separation thought's elaborately weaved web

easily unravelled and wholly harmless to what one is

God could not create imperfection, have anything to do with it or even know it exists

And that's from the horse's mouth himself

@gettoefl

17 hours ago, gettoefl said:

 

 

13 hours ago, gettoefl said:

 

What god?  The only thing you can do is have a closed or open flow of energy. closed means that it bounces back on yourself, everything converges in the self. egocentrism. why me? Things shouldn't have been like this 😭😭.

Open means without bouncing off the self, there is no self to bounce off of, the energy flow is amplified without limits and reality has no bottom. There is no need to invent stories about Jesus or get up in a pulpit to preach, it is something purely practical, normal, it is simply reality. 

For that we have to understand what is the self. The self is made of fear. That means that you can't decide: I'm going to stop the self! I'm so smart, and I read the power of the now! I'm god!!! Yes sure. Then go and climb a 200m rock vertical wall without rope. Just try. Just do the mental experiment. People is so naive, they use the spirituality as a mental clutch, but almost nobody face the real thing , that is the fear. Human life if full of fear, layers and layers of fear, its genetical and learned. Be enlightened is have no fear, and that is extremely difficult. 

Edited November 2 by Breakingthewall