Specialitis

[Keryo Koffa]

17 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Same thing as non pursuit. Ever looked for an object that was right in front of you then saw it and say, "geesh, it was right here in front of me". Ever noticed something that was lost but never looked for it but you found it right in front of you but you weren't looking for it. Both cases it was recovered - same thing. Look or don't look, it's still there; it's just a matter of do you see it or not. If you see it it's not because you pursued or not but you recognized it's presence. Pursuit may tire you out to the point of recognition, but the pursuit didn't cause the recognition, it was the stopping of it that created the tiredness that allowed for the recognition. 

I like that. It's to look at the intent behind the pursuit that projects a need outward.

[Princess Arabia]

Just now, Keryo Koffa said:

I like that. It's to look at the intent behind the pursuit that projects a need outward.

Great. 

[Breakingthewall]

I remember when I was a kid, there were many very special kids, intelligent, alive, adventurous, awake. Then you become an adult and everyone, including you, becomes mentally retarded and cowardly, only concerned with fitting in and being liked. dramatic, and extremely boring. All that about spirituality is about of reverting this unfortunate and inevitable metamorphosis that turns life gray and dead. 

Edited October 31 by Breakingthewall

[Princess Arabia]

26 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

I remember when I was a kid, there were many very special kids, intelligent, alive, adventurous, awake. Then you become an adult and everyone, including you, becomes mentally retarded and cowardly, only concerned with fitting in and being liked. dramatic, and extremely boring. All that about spirituality is about of reverting this unfortunate and inevitable metamorphosis that turns life gray and dead. 

Right. Kids don't really care to feel special, they just want to have fun. Adults want to have fun to feel special.

[gettoefl]

49 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

I remember when I was a kid, there were many very special kids, intelligent, alive, adventurous, awake. Then you become an adult and everyone, including you, becomes mentally retarded and cowardly, only concerned with fitting in and being liked. dramatic, and extremely boring. All that about spirituality is about of reverting this unfortunate and inevitable metamorphosis that turns life gray and dead. 

Just beware of any spiritual ego popping up

Here is a beautiful thread you may enjoy reading from a person who went all the way:

https://www.reddit.com/r/nonduality/comments/1gg1f6p/my_search_has_ended_ask_me_anything/

[PurpleTree]

55 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

I remember when I was a kid, there were many very special kids, intelligent, alive, adventurous, awake. Then you become an adult and everyone, including you, becomes mentally retarded and cowardly, only concerned with fitting in and being liked. dramatic, and extremely boring. All that about spirituality is about of reverting this unfortunate and inevitable metamorphosis that turns life gray and dead. 

It’s all seemingly very innocent though.

[Breakingthewall]

13 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

Right. Kids don't really care to feel special, they just want to have fun. Adults want to have fun to feel special.

It's inevitable, it's what evolution of the species demand. Reproduction and survival. The gene doesn't care about fun, just about what is more practical 

[Breakingthewall]

13 hours ago, gettoefl said:

Just beware of any spiritual ego popping up

Here is a beautiful thread you may enjoy reading from a person who went all the way:

https://www.reddit.com/r/nonduality/comments/1gg1f6p/my_search_has_ended_ask_me_anything/

Spirituality always says: love and happiness good, hate and sadness bad. What happens to hate and sadness? Aren't they part of reality? and war and the struggle for reproduction? Shouldn't they exist? So why do they exist? Because the bad men do it while the baby Jesus cries? 

No, the thing is different. Reality is how it it's and it's exactly the same if you are Jesus or Hitler, for reality is no difference. Who wants to open itself to the unlimited is the ego, just because want to be happy and not afraid of death, then the ego can do it, but it's nothing "special", is just the reality, same that Auschwitz 

[gettoefl]

1 minute ago, Breakingthewall said:

Spirituality always says: love and happiness good, hate and sadness bad. What happens to hate and sadness? Aren't they part of reality? and war and the struggle for reproduction? Shouldn't they exist? So why do they exist? Because the bad men do it while the baby Jesus cries? 

No, the thing is different. Reality is how it it's and it's exactly the same if you are Jesus or Hitler, for reality is no difference. Who wants to open itself to the unlimited is the ego, just because want to be happy and not afraid of death, then the ego can do it, but it's nothing "special", is just the reality, same that Auschwitz 

There is no sadness and badness and madness

Don't delude yourself

Disabuse yourself of illusions

Don't confuse this fake reality here with the real thing

You only know happiness as nothing else exists

[Breakingthewall]

13 hours ago, PurpleTree said:

It’s all seemingly very innocent though.

It's an interesting game that demands all our mental capacity if you want accept the challenge and you want to place yourself completely outside the herd.

If your goal is to fit in and you succeed, then you don't need to think much, in fact it is better not to do it at all, but if you want to understand the whole move and play it your way you have to work hard. Behind every interaction, desire, tendency, there are atavistic forces that drive you. The depth of our conditioning is more than it seems.

[Breakingthewall]

24 minutes ago, gettoefl said:

There is no sadness and badness and madness

Don't delude yourself

Disabuse yourself of illusions

Don't confuse this fake reality here with the real thing

You only know happiness as nothing else exists

I'd like a lot to see you enjailed a box of 2X1x1 at 45 c, for two years for example, full of mosquitoes and rats, being so happy. 

 

Where is the difference between fake reality or real reality? Just in your perspective. Happiness, hate, fight, peace, there is no difference, all of them are the reality. You could place yourself in the substance of the hate and you could perceive that it's just existence, like everything else, but still hate exist . If there is an infestation of rats that transmits the pest you will hate them and want to destroy them. That's just existence, inevitable 

Edited November 1 by Breakingthewall

[PurpleTree]

5 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

It's an interesting game that demands all our mental capacity if you want accept the challenge and you want to place yourself completely outside the herd.

If your goal is to fit in and you succeed, then you don't need to think much, in fact it is better not to do it at all, but if you want to understand the whole move and play it your way you have to work hard. Behind every interaction, desire, tendency, there are atavistic forces that drive you. The depth of our conditioning is more than it seems.

So you seemingly believe in free will and choice?

Because seemingly i don’t believe in it that’s why i think it’s all innocent, as there’s nobody to choose anything. Being in the herd or outside of it etc. There’s seemingly not even a herd.

I’m not sure why i resonate with the notion of no free will and nobody being there though. Probably got brainwashed by seemingly being addicted to non duality talks.

Edited November 1 by PurpleTree

[Breakingthewall]

10 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

So you seemingly believe in free will and choice?

Because seemingly i don’t believe in it that’s why i think it’s all innocent, as there’s nobody to choose anything. Being in the herd or outside of it etc. There’s seemingly not even a herd.

I’m not sure why i resonate with the notion of no free will and nobody being there though. Probably got brainwashed by seemingly being addicted to non duality talks.

As I see it, from an absolute perspective there is no free will, everything that happens is reality reflected in itself to infinity perfectly coordinated, but from a relative perspective there is.

Let's see, I, who am a relative entity, want to free my mind, so I make a series of movements and efforts in that direction and I achieve it, so apparently I have free will, but from an absolute perspective that desire is an apparent reality, a current of energy that is another reflection of reality infinitely reflecting itself, occurs because it is in synchrony with the infinite, it is an inevitable movement, but this from a relative perspective does not mean anything, both perspectives cannot be mixed, since when you are relative you are relative, so the best thing is to develop your full potential without thinking that developing it or not is predestined from the absolute. 

Edited November 1 by Breakingthewall

[Salvijus]

To see through all the layers of self-grasping and false identity sufficient awareness is needed. That's what practices are supposed to bring about. Without that awareness transcendce is just intellectual. 

[PurpleTree]

8 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

As I see it, from an absolute perspective there is no free will, everything that happens is reality reflected in itself to infinity perfectly coordinated, but from a relative perspective there is.

Let's see, I, who am a relative entity, want to free my mind, so I make a series of movements and efforts in that direction and I achieve it, so apparently I have free will, but from an absolute perspective that desire is an apparent reality, a current of energy that is another reflection of reality infinitely reflecting itself, occurs because it is in synchrony with the infinite, it is an inevitable movement, but this from a relative perspective does not mean anything, both perspectives cannot be mixed, since when you are relative you are relative, so the best thing is to develop your full potential without thinking that developing it or not is predestined from the absolute. 

So then how does seeking end in your opinion? 

[Salvijus]

The existence has to be the result of someone's will for if nobody has willed it, it wouldn't exist. That will is not seperate from you, hence you have free will. Or in other words, there is nothing that is not a result of free will. 

Edited November 1 by Salvijus

[PurpleTree]

5 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

The existence has to be the result of someone's will for if nobody has willed it, it wouldn't exist. That will is not seperate from you, hence you have free will. Or in other words, there is nothing that is not a result of free will. 

That’s just an opinion.

[Salvijus]

1 hour ago, PurpleTree said:

That’s just an opinion.

It's an argument yet to be refuted. 

[gettoefl]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

I'd like a lot to see you enjailed a box of 2X1x1 at 45 c, for two years for example, full of mosquitoes and rats, being so happy. 

 

Where is the difference between fake reality or real reality? Just in your perspective. Happiness, hate, fight, peace, there is no difference, all of them are the reality. You could place yourself in the substance of the hate and you could perceive that it's just existence, like everything else, but still hate exist . If there is an infestation of rats that transmits the pest you will hate them and want to destroy them. That's just existence, inevitable 

The difference is a choice.

You WANT hate and misery and pain to exist.

They are necessary to keep the dream alive.

They are nothing to do with you

just basic defence mechanisms to keep your body mind alive.

Sure you are welcome to stay alive and have a wonderful life while here.

But get back in touch with reality so you don't need to keep revisiting this existence defined as insanity.

You are more than this.

If you read the thread I posted above, you will know a living embodiment of what I am pointing to

 

Edited November 1 by gettoefl

[PurpleTree]

5 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

It's an argument yet to be refuted. 

Nothing can really be known seemingly so how can anything be refuted?