Specialitis

[PurpleTree]

Just now, Sugarcoat said:

There was a period I watched quite a lot of non dual talk. I used to do meditation too and a little bit of other practice. But I don’t anymore. Nonetheless I still think if liberation is a desire, it’s a good idea to pursue it, like Leo says, regardless if the chance seems very small. Why not, can’t loose anything by trying. Maybe one day one realizes one doesn’t have to try or something happens

Yea i don’t really think there’s free will anyway. So basically whatever happens happens. For me ( in the story) i also like inquiry and then combining it with the sensing that there’s nobody anywhere and never was.

.….Like with wanting to feel special. I want to feel special. But the one who wants to feel special was already never there. I can’t find it. It’s seemingly nothing (or whatever you wanna call it) appearing as the need to feel special thoughts illusion… and so on.

[Princess Arabia]

13 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

It’s difficult for the mind to grasp this and formulate it well. Maybe in absolute sense there’s no difference between before the “drop” and after, as they say. But in some sense there is a difference between when the sense of self seems to be there vs not

The senses aren't there already. That's also illusory. The senses are information machines. They aren't sensing anything. The eyes aren't really seeing, neither are the ears hearing. How can there be a falling away of the sense of self. It will still only be an appearance just as the eyes appear to see. It's very tricky.

Edited October 31 by Princess Arabia

[Princess Arabia]

11 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Nonetheless I still think if liberation is a desire, it’s a good idea to pursue it

This is the very thing that's keeping it hidden. The pursuit. It will never be found, because it's not lost. Liberation is not for the person seeking it, it's not for anyone. Liberation is not the end of suffering and the beginning of anything. Liberation is the very suffering you feel the apparent sense of self you feel, the pursuit of liberation and everything else. It's all liberation. It's the I that wants to be liberated from itself. It's not there to begin with so how can it be liberated.

[Sugarcoat]

10 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

It's not about being hopeless. The "me" is what's believing that. There's nothing hopeful or hopeless in this regard. It really doesn't matter if you're enlightened or not. There's nothing that can change what is. You're saying to feel like a person or not a person. You will always feel like a person in this human form. All this enlightenment and awaken stuff are just experiences the I is having. There's only consciousness, how can consciousness be what it's not. It's all different states of consciousness. This is already freedom and liberation. It's so free and liberated that it can appear as not free and liberated. There are no limits or rules to freedom and liberation. It's the apparent I energy, that wants to be free and liberated. It doesn't realize it doesn't exist and it's a dream. The I's everywhere will deny this and dislike what i'm saying, but it is the case.

You’re speaking in the absolute sense so yes that’s the case there. Don’t know what else to add really, but there’s an apparent difference between self and no sense of self, not that one will not keep a kind of human ego , but something seemingly “drops”. 

[Sugarcoat]

11 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Yea i don’t really think there’s free will anyway. So basically whatever happens happens. For me ( in the story) i also like inquiry and then combining it with the sensing that there’s nobody anywhere and never was.

.….Like with wanting to feel special. I want to feel special. But the one who wants to feel special was already never there. I can’t find it. It’s seemingly nothing (or whatever you wanna call it) appearing as the need to feel special thoughts illusion… and so on.

It’s so hard to locate the “I” sense , yet somehow we feel we are here. If it feels better for you to deconstruct the desire to feel special then I’d say go for it. We can have such pressures on ourselves. What a struggle we are in while we apparently don’t even exist!

[Hojo]

If people get mad at you for saying you are special they are talking from satan

 Everyone is special and unique. Seeing God proves this

 

[PurpleTree]

Just now, Sugarcoat said:

It’s so hard to locate the “I” sense , yet somehow we feel we are here. If it feels better for you to deconstruct the desire to feel special then I’d say go for it. We can have such pressures on ourselves. What a struggle we are in while we apparently don’t even exist!

Yea i just really enjoy doing that type of inquiry around beliefs and such. 

 

 

[Princess Arabia]

4 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

. What a struggle we are in while we apparently don’t even exist!

Life for the I is very challenging and tiresome. But you do exist. There is only existence. The rest is thought.

[Princess Arabia]

3 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Yea i just really enjoy doing that type of inquiry around beliefs and such. 

 

 

That's the key. Keep enjoying it and do you. It's simply an activity within consciousness anyway and consciousness loves to play with itself. Notice I laughed when I called you mad. I'm learning myself to be playful with all this stuff. It's not that serious, but only for the one that thinks it is. 

[PurpleTree]

Just now, Princess Arabia said:

That's the key. Keep enjoying it and do you. It's simply an activity within consciousness anyway and consciousness loves to play with itself. Notice I laughed when I called you mad. I'm learning myself to be playful with all this stuff. It's not that serious, but only for the one that thinks it is. 

Agreed and you seemingly really can’t decide to take it seriously or lightly neither so it’s ok to take it seriously or get angry even.

 

[PurpleTree]

But yea i agree just do what you enjoy.

If it’s yoga, psychedelics, inquiry, getting addicted to non duality talks or whatever.

[Sugarcoat]

42 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

This is the very thing that's keeping it hidden. The pursuit. It will never be found, because it's not lost. Liberation is not for the person seeking it, it's not for anyone. Liberation is not the end of suffering and the beginning of anything. Liberation is the very suffering you feel the apparent sense of self you feel, the pursuit of liberation and everything else. It's all liberation. It's the I that wants to be liberated from itself. It's not there to begin with so how can it be liberated.

Sometimes maybe the pursuit is needed before a surrender happens who knows. Sometimes it may play itself out like that

[PurpleTree]

I’m obviously listening to non duality talks while eating a burger at a burger place and just heard a beautiful quote that i feel the need to share.

 

"I’m the man made of salt that went to measure the deepness of the ocean"

[Keryo Koffa]

 

[Princess Arabia]

2 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

Sometimes maybe the pursuit is needed before a surrender happens who knows. Sometimes it may play itself out like that

Yes, that's true. I wasn't really saying to not pursue, but suggesting how the pursuit itself is the reason why it cannot be recognized. 

[Princess Arabia]

1 hour ago, Keryo Koffa said:

 

When someone says "no one knows", they're also saying they know no one knows. This video is very entertaining and interesting to watch, and I loved it. That said, he's still doing the same thing as everyone else. Making claims. 

Edited October 31 by Princess Arabia

[Sugarcoat]

10 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Yes, that's true. I wasn't really saying to not pursue, but suggesting how the pursuit itself is the reason why it cannot be recognized. 

Maybe it’s so 

[Princess Arabia]

5 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Maybe it’s so 

Not the recognition after pursuit that it's pointless to pursue but what pursuit actually does itself. Would you look for something that's right in front of you. No. But not realizing it's Infront of you and you started to look - nothing wrong with that. Just saying that's what pursuit implies. As in my saying "that's the very act that's keeping it hidden". The realization that it was never lost is not pursuit. Just a bit of word analysis and mumbo jumbo here. I also got your point. 

Edited October 31 by Princess Arabia

[Sugarcoat]

Just now, Princess Arabia said:

Not the recognition after pursuit that it's pointless to pursue but what pursuit actually does itself. Would you look for something that's right in front of you. No. But not realizing it's Infront of you and you started to look - nothing wrong with that. Just saying that's what pursuit implies. As in my saying "that's the very act that's keeping it hidden". The realization that it was never list is not pursuit. Just a bit of word analysis and mumbo jumbo here. I also got your point. 

I still don’t know if there is any correlation at all between practice and enlightenment. So hard to say what the pursuit does

[Princess Arabia]

8 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

I still don’t know if there is any correlation at all between practice and enlightenment. So hard to say what the pursuit does

Same thing as non pursuit. Ever looked for an object that was right in front of you then saw it and say, "geesh, it was right here in front of me". Ever noticed something that was lost but never looked for it but you found it right in front of you but you weren't looking for it. Both cases it was recovered - same thing. Look or don't look, it's still there; it's just a matter of do you see it or not. If you see it it's not because you pursued or not but you recognized it's presence. Pursuit may tire you out to the point of recognition, but the pursuit didn't cause the recognition, it was the stopping of it that created the tiredness that allowed for the recognition.