Destiny on Immigration, Trump and Voter ID

[Scholar]

Excellent conversation. I hope we'll see something similar when he talks to Leo.

[Spiritual Warfare]

Destiny is too feminine and emotional to think logically about these topics. He’s literally a cuckold. No doubt he is smarter than average, but his emotions will betray him on the most important issues. Alex is far more rational, stoic, and open-minded in comparison.

[What Am I]

5 minutes ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

Destiny is too feminine and emotional to think logically about these topics. He’s literally a cuckold. No doubt he is smarter than average, but his emotions will betray him on the most important issues. Alex is far more rational, stoic, and open-minded in comparison.

Despite my differences with his opinions, I do enjoy listening to Destiny, mostly due to how intelligent he is. He has some kind of genetic gift that puts him in a different league. He's definitely full of hate and venom, but still an interesting listen for the purposes of seeing how far reason can actually go.

You make a good point about his femininity, though. He's mentioned many times how his total testosterone was in the 200-300 range when he last had it tested. There was no mention of his free testosterone, but I'm guessing it's low as well. There's already a perception of a masculine/feminine split between the competing ideologies right now, and it makes me wonder just how much biology is playing a part and whether there's some identifiable physical traits that would cause one to be more inclined one way or the other.

[Scholar]

5 minutes ago, What Am I said:

You make a good point about his femininity, though. He's mentioned many times how his total testosterone was in the 200-300 range when he last had it tested. There was no mention of his free testosterone, but I'm guessing it's low as well. There's already a perception of a masculine/feminine split between the competing ideologies right now, and it makes me wonder just how much biology is playing a part and whether there's some identifiable physical traits that would cause one to be more inclined one way or the other.

How are we the same species.

[What Am I]

1 minute ago, Scholar said:

How are we the same species.

Are you questioning whether a drastic difference in sex hormones might play an identifiable part in someone's tendencies?

[zazen]

A good discussion to compliment OP’s video.

 

Edited October 31 by zazen

[Scholar]

4 minutes ago, What Am I said:

Are you questioning whether a drastic difference in sex hormones might play an identifiable part in someone's tendencies?

Destiny is one of the most autistically rational people you will find on the internet, he is incredible aggressive and dominant. The idea that lower testosterone would make him more feminine and therefore irrational is blatantly absurd.

[What Am I]

7 minutes ago, Scholar said:

Destiny is one of the most autistically rational people you will find on the internet, he is incredible aggressive and dominant. The idea that lower testosterone would make him more feminine and therefore irrational is blatantly absurd.

You're the one who added "and therefore irrational." If you go back and read the first part of my earlier post, I'm in agreement about Destiny's intelligence. I'll concede that it's not like he acts dainty and carries a purse, but I don't think I'm way out of line in assuming that a deficiency in the sex hormone specifically responsible for male development would cause a lessening of masculine traits in comparison to what they could/should be. I'm no expert in this area, but isn't a modification of hormones a large part of gender reassignment science?

[Scholar]

3 minutes ago, What Am I said:

You're the one who added "and therefore irrational." If you go back and read the first part of my earlier post, I'm in agreement about Destiny's intelligence. I'll concede that it's not like he acts dainty and carries a purse, but I don't think I'm way out of line in assuming that a deficiency in the sex hormone specifically responsible for male development would cause a lessening of masculine traits in comparison to what they could/should be. I'm no expert in this area, but isn't a modification of hormones a large part of gender reassignment science?

You were suggesting that Spiritual Warfare was making a good point about Destiny in regards to his femininity, on the basis of the testosterone he has in his body.

Destiny is in no way feminine though, especially not in regards to the topic at hand, namely his reasoning and personality traits. It's absurd to think this is a meaningful point.

Edited October 31 by Scholar

[Fearey]

48 minutes ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

Destiny is too feminine and emotional to think logically about these topics. He’s literally a cuckold. No doubt he is smarter than average, but his emotions will betray him on the most important issues. Alex is far more rational, stoic, and open-minded in comparison.

Have you watched his streams? He will literally submerge himself in source material for 5+ hours straight to get informed on the topics he cares about. When he doesn't know a topic, he simply says that it's unfamiliar to him.

Destiny is the least emotionally driven political streamer I know.

[What Am I]

2 minutes ago, Scholar said:

You were suggesting that Spiritual Warfare was making a good point about Destiny in regards to his femininity, on the basis of the testosterone he has in his body.

Destiny is in no way feminine though, especially not in regards to the topic at hand, namely his reasoning and personality traits. It's absurd to think this is a meaningful point.

Huh, not the worst reasoning on your part when looking specifically at the traits he often displays. I'd have a difficult time arguing he doesn't show assertiveness and other masculine qualities. Still though, I think there's at least something to be gleaned from a deficiency in testosterone. Perhaps Destiny would be that much more masculine if he was in line with the expected male physiology. And perhaps a deficiency like that would manifest in ways that don't obviously present as feminine but are still technically within that area of the spectrum.

Regardless, I don't see how my comment was worth assuming you and I are so different. It seems like such a counterproductive way to go about things. Even for someone like me who avoids the negative aspects of contention, I found myself instigated in wanting to dunk back on you in some way. It's just a poisonous form of dialogue that I think we should avoid.

[Scholar]

42 minutes ago, What Am I said:

Huh, not the worst reasoning on your part when looking specifically at the traits he often displays. I'd have a difficult time arguing he doesn't show assertiveness and other masculine qualities. Still though, I think there's at least something to be gleaned from a deficiency in testosterone. Perhaps Destiny would be that much more masculine if he was in line with the expected male physiology. And perhaps a deficiency like that would manifest in ways that don't obviously present as feminine but are still technically within that area of the spectrum.

Regardless, I don't see how my comment was worth assuming you and I are so different. It seems like such a counterproductive way to go about things. Even for someone like me who avoids the negative aspects of contention, I found myself instigated in wanting to dunk back on you in some way. It's just a poisonous form of dialogue that I think we should avoid.

But someone being more masculine makes them more irrational, not more rational. Hyper-masculine baffoons are not the ones who invented pretty much anything ever in the history of science. They didn't lead nations into progress and greater sophistication.

Masculinity in excess is the very problem this planet has, it is the epitome of irrationality and idiocy. Women don't behave even close to as idiotic as testosterone filled men do. Women also excel at science and academia.

Women also are better at leading, because they are not as much driven by irrational competition. That's why the most socially intelligent animals in the world are lead by females, like whales and elephants.

[What Am I]

18 minutes ago, Scholar said:

But someone being more masculine makes them more irrational, not more rational. Hyper-masculine baffoons are not the ones who invented pretty much anything ever in the history of science. They didn't lead nations into progress and greater sophistication.

Masculinity in excess is the very problem this planet has, it is the epitome of irrationality and idiocy. Women don't behave even close to as idiotic as testosterone filled men do. Women also excel at science and academia.

Women also are better at leading, because they are not as much driven by irrational competition. That's why the most socially intelligent animals in the world are lead by females, like whales and elephants.

Many on the right like to oppose this term, but I think what you're describing is called toxic masculinity. A type of masculinity that's turned up to 11 at the cost of the polar counterbalance. We're essentially talking about men with otherwise healthy physiologies who lack the self-control to properly utilize it.

Your points regarding the obvious flaws of this type of masculinity are well taken, but it seems like a potential mistake to pull such a 180 into a virtual matriarchy. A healthy human male and a healthy human female, with each providing an idealized version of their own dualistic traits, likely have nearly equal contributions to give.

I didn't know that about whales and elephants. Very interesting indeed. It's strange how the other intelligent species seem to better fall in line with their instincts, whereas humans are evolved to a point where we're not actually sure what we're supposed to do, lol. Perhaps this confusion is just the cost of progress.

[Scholar]

17 minutes ago, What Am I said:

Many on the right like to oppose this term, but I think what you're describing is called toxic masculinity. A type of masculinity that's turned up to 11 at the cost of the polar counterbalance. We're essentially talking about men with otherwise healthy physiologies who lack the self-control to properly utilize it.

Your points regarding the obvious flaws of this type of masculinity are well taken, but it seems like a potential mistake to pull such a 180 into a virtual matriarchy. A healthy human male and a healthy human female, with each providing an idealized version of their own dualistic traits, likely have nearly equal contributions to give.

I didn't know that about whales and elephants. Very interesting indeed. It's strange how the other intelligent species seem to better fall in line with their instincts, whereas humans are evolved to a point where we're not actually sure what we're supposed to do, lol. Perhaps this confusion is just the cost of progress.

I'm just saying, the types of people who have been the most rational and contributing intellectually to society were not the typical high testosterone men. In fact, most of them were probably rather low testosterone men. Look at people like Abraham Lincoln, Albert Einstein, Leonardo Davinci, Isaac Newton, or various other philosophers, great politicians and scientists.

In the vast majority of cases these are what you would describe as low testosterone men. I would say there is an inverse relation to high testosterone and reason.

[What Am I]

40 minutes ago, Scholar said:

I'm just saying, the types of people who have been the most rational and contributing intellectually to society were not the typical high testosterone men. In fact, most of them were probably rather low testosterone men. Look at people like Abraham Lincoln, Albert Einstein, Leonardo Davinci, Isaac Newton, or various other philosophers, great politicians and scientists.

In the vast majority of cases these are what you would describe as low testosterone men. I would say there is an inverse relation to high testosterone and reason.

Yeah, I can concede that this is probably true, with the adjustment that the men who are successful are likely most commonly moderate testosterone, being still within the range that supports good physical health. Having legitimately low testosterone can be a significant burden on bodily functions and well-being, and it seems difficult to imagine these figures could overcome that hardship while moving humanity forward the way they did, though I guess it is technically possible. It's too bad we don't have a way to easily verify what their levels were.

It's my understanding that the population with the highest statistical amount of testosterone is in fact men in prisons, so there is something to be said about the anti-social behavioral effects of excess testosterone.

Edited October 31 by What Am I

[What Am I]

I'm always on the lookout for someone who can come close to matching Destiny. The first guy was at least pretty skilled rhetorically. I'd love to see an extended debate between the two. So annoying how he was voted out too soon. These other people were naive and didn't realize what they were getting themselves into.

After watching a bit more, a few of these other kids weren't so bad either.

Edited October 31 by What Am I

[Joshe]

On X, if you look at all the right wing attacks on Destiny, they're all the same. It's always about his appearance or his perceived social standing. They can't stand the fact they can't outwit him, so instead they make fun of his appearance and call him cuck and a feminine bitch, but if a Chad had his personality and he was on the right, they'd call him masculine because they tend to judge the world based on appearances. The other day, some popular chick was talking shit about his debate with some right wing chad and the entire critique was what he was wearing, his hair, etc, and talking about how the other guy was handsome, in shape, and dressed well. People who don't have an intellectual leg to stand on LOVE to attack the physical appearance of those who do. 

[What Am I]

22 minutes ago, Joshe said:

On X, if you look at all the right wing attacks on Destiny, they're all the same. It's always about his appearance or his perceived social standing. They can't stand the fact they can't outwit him, so instead they make fun of his appearance and call him cuck and a feminine bitch, but if a Chad had his personality and he was on the right, they'd call him masculine because they tend to judge the world based on appearances. The other day, some popular chick was talking shit about his debate with some right wing chad and the entire critique was what he was wearing, his hair, etc, and talking about how the other guy was handsome, in shape, and dressed well. People who don't have an intellectual leg to stand on LOVE to attack the physical appearance of those who do. 

Yeah, it's pretty common for sure. It goes to show how smart Destiny is and how unintelligent his typical opponent is. I've listened to his debates on X spaces, and it's absolutely mind-numbing. Like I was saying, it's practically a hobby of mine to follow his content and wait for the day someone worthy finally arrives, lol.

[Joshe]

10 minutes ago, What Am I said:

Yeah, it's pretty common for sure. It goes to show how smart Destiny is and how unintelligent his typical opponent is. I've listened to his debates on X spaces, and it's absolutely mind-numbing. Like I was saying, it's practically a hobby of mine to follow his content and wait for the day someone worthy finally arrives, lol.

Yeah, I know what you mean. I think the closest I saw was Andrew Wilson debating him on if Jan 6 was an insurrection, but it wasn't very satisfying. IIRC, it was just a semantic circus, but I do think Andrew is the best intellectual on the right I've seen debate him, although I don't follow all of his content, so I could have missed some.

[Carl-Richard]

It's very cathartic to see him absolutely shit on the lunacy that is happening on the Right. If you deny the results of elections, think the media is the enemy of the people, and spread conspiracy theories like immigrants eating dogs or hurricanes being controlled by the government, you're absolutely poisoned.

Edited November 1 by Carl-Richard