Improving verbal fluidity.

[Schizophonia]

@Leo Gura

I have the possibility of becoming a militant for the french equivalent of democrat party. I also have other projects in parallel.

On of my issue is that my verbal fluidly isn’t that good, i mean the hability to quickly, intuitively generating a good, well constructed even pleasant to heard way of expressing ideas.

It’s something that you are good at on your videos, i know you have participated a lot to toastmasters but do you also have other documentations, practices about that ? I just bought the book the 6 keys of self confidence.

Thanks in advance.

[Sugarcoat]

@Schizophonia I think you formulate yourself well even if it’s hard to understand sometimes. But that’s usually if one isn’t into the subjects that you are into and doesn’t know much about them. For me personally though one thing that improved my writing (and speech too as a consequence) was reading (or listening) to texts/audio within the kind of subjects you are gonna talk about. So for example if you’re gonna write an essay then reading texts in essay form would help. Maybe this is too obvious hehe

Edited October 30 by Sugarcoat

[Princess Arabia]

25 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

 I think you formulate yourself well even if it’s hard to understand sometimes.

 

2 hours ago, Schizophonia said:

On of my issue

 

2 hours ago, Schizophonia said:

i mean the hability to quickly,

 

2 hours ago, Schizophonia said:

even pleasant to heard way of expressing ideas.

 

2 hours ago, Schizophonia said:

It’s something that you are good at on your videos,

Do you consider this formulated well.

@SchizophoniaI'm not criticizing. I know you're French, so it can be challenging for you to write English. I'm merely pointing something out to Sugarcoat, but not as a criticism. Maybe being transparent is the way to go here so he can get the help he needs to do the task he wishes.

Edited October 30 by Princess Arabia

[Sugarcoat]

21 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

 

 

 

 

Do you consider this formulated well.

@SchizophoniaI'm not criticizing. I know you're French, so it can be challenging for you to write English. I'm merely pointing something out to Sugarcoat, but not as a criticism. Maybe being transparent is the way to go here so he can get the help he needs to do the task he wishes.

I was thinking of his responses in general, and also took in consideration English isn’t his first language. I noticed the typos yes. 
I see room for improvement ofc, that’s why I gave him a tip.

[Princess Arabia]

7 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

I was thinking of his responses in general, and also took in consideration English isn’t his first language. I noticed the typos yes. 
I see room for improvement ofc, that’s why I gave him a tip.

I understand. It's just that within the context of his post, I thought it was appropriate to point out to you that he really need the tool he's asking for to help with his articulations and is not so much about being hard to understand. We all make mistakes and typos. It's that his thread is about that. His thread weren't just about typos.

Edited October 30 by Princess Arabia

[Sugarcoat]

1 minute ago, Princess Arabia said:

I understand. It's just that within the context of his post, I thought it was appropriate to point out to you that he really need the tool he's asking for to help with his articulations and is not so much about being hard to understand. We all make mistakes and typos. It's that his thread is about that. His thread weren't just about typos.

i see your point 

[Princess Arabia]

Just now, Sugarcoat said:

i see your point 

Thanks

[Xonas Pitfall]

Hey! First of all, big congratulations!  

Write a lot! Make your writing and ideas as clear as possible—often, people with jumbled thoughts will have jumbled expressions. You need to have a very clear train of thought, and from there, it’s just pure practice. I think Leo mentioned in one of his videos that he refused to make any cuts because he wanted to practice speaking fluently. Do the same—record on your phone mic or camera, or buy an actual mic or camera; it doesn’t really matter. Just speak, replay, speak, replay, speak, replay. You’ll see how your brain will instantly cringe at your own voice and way of expression, and it will immediately start thinking of ways to correct and clear things up naturally.

Another method is mirroring—find someone whose speaking style you admire (it could be Leo) and mirror their mannerisms, pauses, word choices, etc. Don’t worry about copying; it’s impossible to copy someone 1:1. You’ll always add a personal touch since it’s *you* speaking, not someone else.

As with any problem, bringing more awareness always helps solve it. Direct recording, deliberate practice, being on camera, and aspiring to some ideal will help you grow in no time. And obviously, if you’re not too shy, you can share some of your speeches here too for us to help you and evaluate them. Teehee! Good Luck, future militant! 💛✨

 

Edited October 30 by Xonas Pitfall

[NoSelfSelf]

Okay ill give you practice.

Use words bombastic,plastic,fantastic to tell me a short story of how you cant be fluid with words.

After you finished see how long it took you, then look to beat that time.

You must calculate fast in real time for what you want or be really well prepared.

Edited October 30 by NoSelfSelf

[Lucasxp64]

 

[Lucasxp64]

I believe to speak more articulated fluently and with substance is about practicing certain patterns of organizing thought and making connections between things in some very specific ways. You can see that with modern politicians, they are extremely consistent in the patterns they use to speak, and they don't deviate from them much.

On the other hand, Leo Gura's style of speaking is more explorative in nature.  Other styles of speaking, such as talking casually or with a friend, is primarily about the mental inner frame you are operating from.

That already will give an instantaneous boost to be able to tap into those mental frames, from that perspective, it doesn't look very different from someone doing Game/Dating, world-class sales people selling to somebody a product, pitching a product in an online webinar, etc.

But obviously, it will only express what you are already capable of expressing but is at the subconscious level waiting to be triggered.

There are certain models they use, such as repeating exactly what people want to hear by studying them, kinda like creating marketing copywriting material.

I believe there is that CONSCIOUS ASPECT that I just described. And there is the subconscious, you actually need exposure to that kind of speech to remember bits and pieces and doing so with THE INTENT OF IMPROVING, as opposed to simply processing like we usually do and not paying attention to the subtle details they deploy, and obviously following principles of MASTERY DEVELOPMENT and STRATEGIC THINKING, how it would usually be for any other skill.

That's my take based on my reflections of learning and improving my spoken English, and currently with acquiring some French

(😂 Mais, je ne sais pas pourquoi je le fais, c'est simplement un challenge pour moi maintenant)

(Recently, I basically just switched the ASMR I listen in English to French, and learned the basics consciously, and unconsciously I just began picking up the language)

But what took me from beginner level to intermediary, and finally, what will take me to advanced... They aren't quite the same techniques, although there is an overlap and stacking of previous techniques with newer ones.

The law of diminishing returns is a bitch, there is only so much that subconscious language acquisition can do.Some techniques that might be useful:

• Recording with Shadowing (Repeating alongside a speaker of your choice)
• Recording with a script (And making it sound natural)
• Recording off-script
• Pay attention to: Prosody
• Use a synonym dictionary (Don't ever blindly use words you don't know the meaning, but use it to remember them)
• Use ANKI (To memorize new words, expressions, or whatever other tidbits you want)
• STORY TELLING TACTICS: Google "pip decks storyteller tactics"

 

 

 

 

[Lucasxp64]

 

Edited October 30 by Lucasxp64

[cjoseph90]

Do you mean the book The Six Pillars of Self-Esteem by Nathaniel Branden? 

Also good luck

[Lucasxp64]

 

[Raze]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtdrivfdSls

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhR3VSMHo2w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAnw168huqA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7pI5qY8cCE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ6R_6C3gm8

[Carl-Richard]

I just recently decided to start trying "image streaming", literally right now. It practices verbal fluidity and vividness of visual imagery: https://winwenger.com/resources/cps-techniques/image-streaming/

Edited October 31 by Carl-Richard

[Schizophonia]

On 30/10/2024 at 3:13 PM, Sugarcoat said:

@Schizophonia I think you formulate yourself well even if it’s hard to understand sometimes. But that’s usually if one isn’t into the subjects that you are into and doesn’t know much about them. For me personally though one thing that improved my writing (and speech too as a consequence) was reading (or listening) to texts/audio within the kind of subjects you are gonna talk about. So for example if you’re gonna write an essay then reading texts in essay form would help. Maybe this is too obvious hehe

Thanks, still as sweet eheh.

I don't particularly have an issue of syntax strictly speaking, i actually have an academic level ; The problem is that i'm too confused and monotonous when I speak.

Do you read books these days ?

On 30/10/2024 at 3:38 PM, Princess Arabia said:

 

 

 

 

Do you consider this formulated well.

@SchizophoniaI'm not criticizing. I know you're French, so it can be challenging for you to write English. I'm merely pointing something out to Sugarcoat, but not as a criticism. Maybe being transparent is the way to go here so he can get the help he needs to do the task he wishes.

I can make spelling mistakes but otherwise it's just that I use French style formulas, sometimes even voluntarily because English is just too poor to express myself well.

 

 

On 30/10/2024 at 4:27 PM, Xonas Pitfall said:

Hey! First of all, big congratulations!  

Write a lot! Make your writing and ideas as clear as possible—often, people with jumbled thoughts will have jumbled expressions. You need to have a very clear train of thought, and from there, it’s just pure practice. I think Leo mentioned in one of his videos that he refused to make any cuts because he wanted to practice speaking fluently. Do the same—record on your phone mic or camera, or buy an actual mic or camera; it doesn’t really matter. Just speak, replay, speak, replay, speak, replay. You’ll see how your brain will instantly cringe at your own voice and way of expression, and it will immediately start thinking of ways to correct and clear things up naturally.

Another method is mirroring—find someone whose speaking style you admire (it could be Leo) and mirror their mannerisms, pauses, word choices, etc. Don’t worry about copying; it’s impossible to copy someone 1:1. You’ll always add a personal touch since it’s *you* speaking, not someone else.

As with any problem, bringing more awareness always helps solve it. Direct recording, deliberate practice, being on camera, and aspiring to some ideal will help you grow in no time. And obviously, if you’re not too shy, you can share some of your speeches here too for us to help you and evaluate them. Teehee! Good Luck, future militant! 💛✨

 

Thank you, what you wrote is very relevant.

Indeed i love the style of Leo, it's a strong mirror.

I will probably share audio of myself yes, i actually already did it once to tease someone on its journal lol.

23 hours ago, NoSelfSelf said:

Okay ill give you practice.

Use words bombastic,plastic,fantastic to tell me a short story of how you cant be fluid with words.

After you finished see how long it took you, then look to beat that time.

You must calculate fast in real time for what you want or be really well prepared.

We will see  

22 hours ago, Lucasxp64 said:

I believe to speak more articulated fluently and with substance is about practicing certain patterns of organizing thought and making connections between things in some very specific ways. You can see that with modern politicians, they are extremely consistent in the patterns they use to speak, and they don't deviate from them much.

On the other hand, Leo Gura's style of speaking is more explorative in nature.  Other styles of speaking, such as talking casually or with a friend, is primarily about the mental inner frame you are operating from.

That already will give an instantaneous boost to be able to tap into those mental frames, from that perspective, it doesn't look very different from someone doing Game/Dating, world-class sales people selling to somebody a product, pitching a product in an online webinar, etc.

But obviously, it will only express what you are already capable of expressing but is at the subconscious level waiting to be triggered.

There are certain models they use, such as repeating exactly what people want to hear by studying them, kinda like creating marketing copywriting material.

I believe there is that CONSCIOUS ASPECT that I just described. And there is the subconscious, you actually need exposure to that kind of speech to remember bits and pieces and doing so with THE INTENT OF IMPROVING, as opposed to simply processing like we usually do and not paying attention to the subtle details they deploy, and obviously following principles of MASTERY DEVELOPMENT and STRATEGIC THINKING, how it would usually be for any other skill.

That's my take based on my reflections of learning and improving my spoken English, and currently with acquiring some French

(😂 Mais, je ne sais pas pourquoi je le fais, c'est simplement un challenge pour moi maintenant)

(Recently, I basically just switched the ASMR I listen in English to French, and learned the basics consciously, and unconsciously I just began picking up the language)

But what took me from beginner level to intermediary, and finally, what will take me to advanced... They aren't quite the same techniques, although there is an overlap and stacking of previous techniques with newer ones.

The law of diminishing returns is a bitch, there is only so much that subconscious language acquisition can do.Some techniques that might be useful:

• Recording with Shadowing (Repeating alongside a speaker of your choice)
• Recording with a script (And making it sound natural)
• Recording off-script
• Pay attention to: Prosody
• Use a synonym dictionary (Don't ever blindly use words you don't know the meaning, but use it to remember them)
• Use ANKI (To memorize new words, expressions, or whatever other tidbits you want)
• STORY TELLING TACTICS: Google "pip decks storyteller tactics"

 

 

 

 

I can give you a discord if you learn French, i am with some friends.

En petit comité. 

21 hours ago, cjoseph90 said:

Do you mean the book The Six Pillars of Self-Esteem by Nathaniel Branden? 

Also good luck

Yes ! I wrote it in my original post even if i didn't translated the title well.

I didn't begin it.

20 hours ago, Lucasxp64 said:

 

 

19 hours ago, Raze said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtdrivfdSls

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhR3VSMHo2w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAnw168huqA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7pI5qY8cCE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ6R_6C3gm8

 

6 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

I just recently decided to start trying "image streaming", literally right now. It practices verbal fluidity and vividness of visual imagery: https://winwenger.com/resources/cps-techniques/image-streaming/

👍

[Sugarcoat]

3 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

Thanks, still as sweet eheh.

I don't particularly have an issue of syntax strictly speaking, i actually have an academic level ; The problem is that i'm too confused and monotonous when I speak.

Do you read books these days ?

Okay I see. When I was in high school I went to this “rethoric” class where we held a bunch of speeches so we practiced that which is of your concern. Also do you mean when you speak in English or French or both?

I don’t read books these days no

[Schizophonia]

50 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Okay I see. When I was in high school I went to this “rethoric” class where we held a bunch of speeches so we practiced that which is of your concern.

Me too but unfortunately it was absolute bs lol.

50 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Also do you mean when you speak in English or French or both?

Here french, even if i also try to improve my oral english.

 

 

[Sugarcoat]

12 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

Me too but unfortunately it was absolute bs lol

I liked it. Although I’ve forgotten most of it