No Self and God

[PurpleTree]

1 minute ago, Javfly33 said:

Babies being born happen all the time. And they Keep being born in Planet earth (aka, "this dream", not other one).

So now allegedly the human population is much bigger than a 100 or 1000 years ago.

Why? Doesn’t make sense in your theory  or are there more souls now?

[Javfly33]

15 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

So now allegedly the human population is much bigger than a 100 or 1000 years ago.

Why? Doesn’t make sense in your theory  or are there more souls now?

There is Only one soul.

But the soul is Infinitely fragmented.

...

...Until its not. 

You can stop reincarnating into limited forms when there is no more "material" for you to take on a form. 

When there is no cement you can not build the house again.

 

Think Spirituality as dissolving the cement until you are left with no material left to build.

When that happens is time to take a long holiday from the construction endeveour. 

[PurpleTree]

3 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

There is Only one soul.

But the soul is Infinitely fragmented.

...

...Until its not. 

You can stop reincarnating into limited forms when there is no more "material" for you to take on a form. 

When there is no cement you can not build the house again.

 

Think Spirituality as dissolving the cement until you are left with no material left to build.

When that happens is time to take a long holiday from the construction endeveour. 

And how do you know this?

[Javfly33]

16 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

And how do you know this?

You need consciousness to grasp how It works.

In my case consciousness has come from Yoga.

But I'm not saying I know everything, there is much much more consciousness and clarity to have. 

Edited October 31 by Javfly33

[PurpleTree]

9 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

You need consciousness to grasp how It works.

In my case consciousness has come from Yoga.

But I'm not saying I know everything, there is much much more consciousness and clarity to have. 

What if consciousness is a myth?

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Javfly33 said:

But the soul is Infinitely fragmented.

...

...Until its not. 

Then it's not infinitely fragmented, because infinite means no finish, if it's going to finish is finite. 

[Javfly33]

40 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Then it's not infinitely fragmented, because infinite means no finish, if it's going to finish is finite. 

Lets say the Infinite Fragmentation has Infinite configurations.

Infinite configurations of itself.

So in one, Infinity can be total.

While In another, It can be fragmented. 

So in one configuration It is possible that there is no Fragmentation at all. While in the other one there is fragmentation.

1 hour ago, PurpleTree said:

What if consciousness is a myth?

By consciousness I mean You or the source of the Creation.

You could call It cow dung if you wish. 

Edited October 31 by Javfly33

[PurpleTree]

13 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

By consciousness I mean You or the source of the Creation.

You could call It cow dung if you wish. 

And how do you know that?

 

[Princess Arabia]

6 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

When moment of dying comes remember my words. 

Thought create fear and time. There is nothing else. 

 

If at moment of death you are conscious of this and you are able to not generate fear you Will stay in Yourself and attain mukti/Nirvana/nothingness permanently.

If you are not able then you Will reincarnate and Will have to suffer another cycle like most suckers 🤣😅

 

So heres a Gift of me for you 👑Take advantage of it that Im Still embodied and sharing exclusive wisdom. This Will not be forever. I have a departure date so take the train before its gone. 

Because The point of a Guru like me is that you dont have to do any of the soul grueling sadhana he has done. He does It for you. The Only thing you have to do is to tie Yourself to him like there is no other thing worthwhile getting tied to. 

When moment is aproppiate I will cut the cord for you. You dont have to worry about that.

Spoken like a true narcissist. Not pointing you out but most humans. We think we know what's going on but at least just sharing our own insights, ideas and opinions on what we believe or think we know to be the case is one thing and what this forum is about, but telling someone that you're giving them a gift and sharing exclusive wisdom about what you've been taught about spirituality is another. Go hide under a rock and hope what you see is a rock because that rock that has been interpreted by your senses and brain is not really a rock only appears to be. Better hope it's not the boogeyman you're hiding under. That's all folks. Now let me go bask in my being and go fall in love some more while you're out here trying to find yours.

Edited October 31 by Princess Arabia

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Javfly33 said:

Lets say the Infinite Fragmentation has Infinite configurations.

Infinite configurations of itself.

So in one, Infinity can be total.

While In another, It can be fragmented. 

So in one configuration It is possible that there is no Fragmentation at all. While in the other one there is fragmentation.

If you see that you are not the form, then it's the same if the form that seems to be you now dissapear or not. It's the form who wants to finish the cycle of reincarnations, but that form is nothing, just a reflection of the absolute, and are infinite reflections, then it's irrelevant if you reincarnate or not because you are just a form, and are other infinite forms that are you because you are everything. 

[emil1234]

7 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

 

If you are not able then you Will reincarnate and Will have to suffer another cycle like most suckers 🤣😅

 

So heres a Gift of me for you 👑Take advantage of it that Im Still embodied and sharing exclusive wisdom. This Will not be forever. I have a departure date so take the train before its gone. 

literally cant believe this guy......literally have to restrain myself from commenting everytime i read your comments because they are always permiated by extreme degrees of obvious arrogance, narcisism and superiority complex, claiming you are just on the verge of dissolving your very last spark of karma. LOL.

the obviousness is what makes restraining a bit easier i guess, because its ridicolus at this point.

 

Edited October 31 by emil1234

[Javfly33]

2 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

Spoken like a true narcissist. Not pointing you out but most humans. We think we know what's going on but at least just sharing our own insights, ideas and opinions on what we believe or think we know to be the case is one thing and what this forum is about, but telling someone that you're giving them a gift and sharing exclusive wisdom about what you've been taught about spirituality is another. Go hide under a rock and hope what you see is a rock because that rock that has been interpreted by your senses and brain is not really a rock only appears to be. Better hope it's not the boogeyman you're hiding under. That's all folks. Now let me go bask in my being and go fall in love some more while you're out here trying to find yours.

Mmm you know about my past story with femdom/findom stuff ...so you know I am not narcissist. My origins are ones of uttermost weakness.

So... I can not fake arrogance or narcissism. If that happens within me, is because something extremely authentic is being communicated.

Precisely because i come from an anti-narcissist place, if I behave like this now if tells something legit is going on within me.

 

53 minutes ago, emil1234 said:

literally cant believe this guy......literally have to restrain myself from commenting everytime i read your comments because they are always permiated by extreme degrees of obvious arrogance, narcisism and superiority complex, claiming you are just on the verge of dissolving your very last spark of karma. LOL.

the obviousness is what makes restraining a bit easier i guess, because its ridicolus at this point.

 

The Guru does not have to be socially correct. In fact most times She/he isn't.

The price for the Fast ticket is that you surrender your ego and trust me, and that entails lowering your head and swallowing whatever I throw at you when the time your ego wants to reject me more.

I was just offering you a ride...but if you want to go walking by foot to the destination is your choice. 

 

Edited October 31 by Javfly33

[emil1234]

8 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

 

The Guru does not have to be socially correct. In fact most times She/he isn't.

The price for the Fast ticket is that you surrender your ego and trust me, and that entails lowering your head when the time your ego wants to reject me more.

I was just offering you a ride...but if you want to go walking by foot to the destination is your choice. 

 

lol

[Javfly33]

14 minutes ago, emil1234 said:

lol

If you want to do It on your own, thats your freedom. There are people that prefer to do It their way, and they dont care spending a hundred lifetimes because they want to cave their own path.

Thats a valid decision 👍

 

But understand there are others that just want to jump in the Guru's back and reach the destination Fast.

They dont Mind the Zen stick, they dont Mind being talked down, they are result oriented, they dont Mind going through the most utter filth as long as is the way out of the prison. If Freedom is what is being offered, they Will gladly go through the mud. 

Edited October 31 by Javfly33

[Princess Arabia]

2 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

Mmm you know about my past story with femdom/findom stuff ...so you know I am not narcissist. My origins are ones of uttermost weakness.

That's just a story the narcissist tells itself and why it became an obsession to be told what to do. It's reverse psychology in a way. Same as something turning in on itself. To know what weakness is one must know what strength, is or I should say has made a definite mental description or meaning of what they are but subjectively. In order for you to say you're weak, you must know what strength is and in order for you to know what strength is you must have already been strong. We can't explain the color red to the blind the same way strength has to be compared to a known opposite or you wouldn't know you were weak. A bit of a tongue twister there but I hope you get the drift.

Bottomline, you know what it is to be strong from comparison but only within your perception and descriptions and you define yourself as weak because you are also strong.

Edited October 31 by Princess Arabia

[Inliytened1]

On 10/29/2024 at 9:22 PM, The Chosen One said:

I have been wondering about this question for 2 years now but have not found anyone to answer it. Very curious what responses will be given but in reality we have 3 states of consciousness, waking, dreaming, and deep sleep. In the deep sleep state, there is no "I AM" with no pain, no suffering, and no pleasure. When we are talking about awakening or higher levels of consciousness there is something called "nirvana" or No Self the state of no "I AM". Leo has talked about this No Self state in a few of his videos and so has Frank Yang and other spiritual teachers. So my big question is what is the difference between nirvana or "No Self" versus deep sleep because to me they seem like the same exact thing. I don't experience any "I AM" at all in deep sleep.

Also If this human self that I identify with is just an illusion and my ego, desires, and basises are all just an illusion, who is the one trying to wake up if it's not even real? It's not anything that I would identify with because that would be my ego so what is it and how would any awaking be possible at all if there really is No Self?

How do you know that deep sleep or unconsciousness is even real or actual if you've never directly experienced it?  It could be imaginary.

Edited October 31 by Inliytened1

[Breakingthewall]

@Javfly33

5 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

 

Let's say that the idea that all beings tend toward unity and dissolution after multiple incarnations is true. perhaps there are still several million incarnations missing in literally unimaginable dimensions. Why this thing about being human, which seems like something quite incomplete, defective, is going to be the last stage? I'm afraid not, being human is something very limited.

[Javfly33]

21 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

If you see that you are not the form, then it's the same if the form that seems to be you now dissapear or not. It's the form who wants to finish the cycle of reincarnations, but that form is nothing, just a reflection of the absolute, and are infinite reflections, then it's irrelevant if you reincarnate or not because you are just a form, and are other infinite forms that are you because you are everything. 

The form is a representation of the substance, isn't it? All that happens in the form or human, is a limited representation of the unlimited.

So when the form itself looks or talks about the unlimited, the form is just a representation of the internal drive or inherent seeking of Life/theSubstance tending to unlimitation.

Is Life which is reincarnating, not the form.

When one says "I want to stop reincarnating" It might be seen as like the form wants that, but is not, is not the form which reincarnates, the form is the creation of the Substance which is reincarnating all the time ( babies being born all the time)

16 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

@Javfly33

Let's say that the idea that all beings tend toward unity and dissolution after multiple incarnations is true. perhaps there are still several million incarnations missing in literally unimaginable dimensions. Why this thing about being human, which seems like something quite incomplete, defective, is going to be the last stage? I'm afraid not, being human is something very limited.

The spectrum in a human is very big, in humans you have almost animal behaviour and you have people that have mastered their body like David Blaine or people doing occult (do stuff in other people's minds in other parts of the world with just a snap of their fingers from their living room).

So human have definitely space for defectiveness, but it has also possibilities that have not been seen in any other form. 

You just have to look how fine a bird or cat is with just survival Life, once they are fed they just sit on the floor and wait like the mission ended. 

Humans, the mission starts when survival is guaranteed, so the human is an advanced form which is prepared to enter/seek the peaks of consciousness, but it can also just be a piece of earth/meat if is not conduced properly. 

I don´t see that both things can exist as bad, but as a freedom to choose, does one want meat or does one wants exploration, nothing wrong with meat is just is limited. 

 

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That's just a story the narcissist tells itself and why it became an obsession to be told what to do. It's reverse psychology in a way. Same as something turning in on itself. To know what weakness is one must know what strength, is or I should say has made a definite mental description or meaning of what they are but subjectively. In order for you to say you're weak, you must know what strength is and in order for you to know what strength is you must have already been strong. We can't explain the color red to the blind the same way strength has to be compared to a known opposite or you wouldn't know you were weak. A bit of a tongue twister there but I hope you get the drift.

Bottomline, you know what it is to be strong from comparison but only within your perception and descriptions and you define yourself as weak because you are also strong.

The point here is that you @Princess Arabia as well as @PurpleTree and @emil1234 have yet not touched the freedom I have. As a consequence, you are still devils who must try to stop the Light Angel that is me right now communicating the message in this forum...

Remember this...The ones who are entangled will never accept a messanger of the one who has seen Freedom.

The ones which are in a prison that they never have seen outside of it will deny those Ones that say there is indeed a way out...

Devils gonna be naughty. Lucky you my whole work is washing off the darkness of as much devils as I can in my last life. 

Don't fight it...you are just slowing down the process. It will happen anyway. 

Edited November 1 by Javfly33

[Breakingthewall]

7 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

Humans, the mission starts when survival is guaranteed, so the human is an advanced form which is prepared to enter/seek the peaks of consciousness, but it can also just be a piece of earth/meat if is not conduced properly. 

I think that this happen just because humans are a hive entity, not individuals like a cat, we are like gears of the collective matrix. 

7 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

but it has also possibilities that have not been seen in any other form. 

Maybe in other universes there are forms much more complex and deep

7 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

When one says "I want to stop reincarnating" It might be seen as like the form wants that, but is not, is not the form which reincarnates, the form is the creation of the Substance which is reincarnating all the time ( babies being born all the time)

Ok, but then, who stops reincarnating? All the existence for ever? It's impossible because there is form. 

[Princess Arabia]

9 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

The point here is that you @Princess Arabia as well as @PurpleTree and @emil1234 have yet not touched the freedom I have. As a consequence, you are still devils who must try to stop the Light Angel that is me right now communicating the message in this forum...

Remember this...The ones who are entangled will never accept a messanger of the one who has seen Freedom.

The ones which are in a prison that they never have seen outside of it will deny those Ones that say there is indeed a way out...

Devils gonna be naughty. Lucky you my whole work is washing off the darkness of as much devils as I can in my last life. 

Don't fight it...you are just slowing down the process. It will happen anyway. 

Lol