What should be done about LGBT restrooms?

[Spiritual Warfare]

As a citizen of a liberal democracy, I believe we should strive to accommodate all perspectives. The persecution, segregation, isolation, and abuse of those who are different is wrong. However, only the persecution, segregation, isolation, and abuse of those who are benevolently or neutrally different is wrong. It is not bigotry to apply these measures to those who are malignantly different, such as psychopaths or rapists. Therefore, I believe that we can only accommodate LGBT people to a certain extent. In the past, LGBT people have been systemically oppressed, but I think we are beginning to see the end of this de jure oppression. I believe that for some, their LGBT difference is viewed as an entitlement to special treatment. Being a liberal democracy means treating everyone equally, which means that the LGBT community does not deserve special treatment. This is partly why I generally don’t support gay pride events in areas that aren’t strongly against the LGBT community. Because of this, I believe that regarding the restroom controversy, no changes are necessary. We do not need to create new restrooms for transgender or homosexual individuals solely because they may feel uncomfortable. First, the cost of creating these bathrooms would be enormous. Second, if we allow transgender individuals to enter the bathroom of the opposite sex, what we gain in apparent equality for gender and sexual identity, we lose in terms of public safety. Public safety is more important. A man could pretend to be transgender, enter a women’s restroom, and commit assault. Therefore, I believe that ignoring the public safety risks of assault and rape in favor of gender and sexual orientation equality specifically treats LGBT people with undue preference, granting them more attention than necessary. Will some people feel uncomfortable using a restroom that does not align with their gender identity? Yes. Is this discomfort a necessary trade-off to help prevent assault? Yes. If any change needs to be made, it should involve the labeling of restrooms. Instead of labeling them as men’s and women’s rooms, they could be labeled as male and female rooms, as gender is not identical to sex.

[Yimpa]

The fact that who uses which bathroom is still an issue in public shows how immature society really is.

[LoseYourvelf]

4 minutes ago, Yimpa said:

The fact that who uses which bathroom is still an issue in public shows how immature society really is.

Literally just go in ur own sex shit yfm

Idrc about it honestly but yeah, that's the play. Shoot me. Your 4 year old is gonna have to think dinosaurs grow in hamster wheels idk i can already feel the revolver shot in my mouth on this topic. Im good thanks

 

can i lick the bullet, lick the steel as it passes through my brainy gooooo as it exports the syntax to my consciousness "Fuck you!"

 

I promise my 4 year old can look at convincing trans men in the toilets all day as long as he washes his hands and timely follows Daddy

Edited October 29 by LoseYourvelf

[LoseYourvelf]

 Btw Leo described "Holding a pistol in your mouth" wondering if to pull the trigger

Idk the background/history/truth

Dude, I literally wish I had the gut to summon the will to pick up a pistol and put it in my mouth. I've sliced my wrists to pieces with knives once so I don't know how similar that would be but dude, I'd slam all my finger power down on that trigger dude. It wouldn't even get in my hands nor my mouth cos im a shooter and daddio, i shoot proud

[LoseYourvelf]

Bean

[Buck Edwards]

LGBT should have new restrooms only for them. 

[Yimpa]

40 minutes ago, Buck Edwards said:

LGBT should have new restrooms only for them. 

Nah. I don’t want restrooms based on identity. For example, there are no Blacks only bathrooms.

There is a music venue in Austin called Mohawk that does restrooms properly. Instead of Men or Woman, it’s Sit or Stand.

[Jacob Morres]

3 hours ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

Is this discomfort a necessary trade-off to help prevent assault?

Genuinely curious if the rate of assault is really that high or if it's leaning into fear mongering of trans people? 

Im quite skeptical but I'm open minded 

Edited October 30 by Jacob Morres

[Yimpa]

1 minute ago, Jacob Morres said:

Genuinely curious if the rate of assault is really that high or if it's leaning into fear mongering of trans people? 

It’s propaganda and transphobia.

[Staples]

Most trans people I know are not comfortable using either gender bathroom.

They prefer using a disabled or other gender neutral bathroom that's non communal (one person at a time inside).

As long as that is reasonably available they're happy.

[Staples]

4 hours ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

Being a liberal democracy means treating everyone equally, which means that the LGBT community does not deserve special treatment.

True in theory. Not in practice.

Lots of groups get special treatment. That's why class, race and gender are political issues. Communities compete for special treatment.

LGBT people deserve special treatment insofar that they need it to meet their basic human needs.

LGBT people using classic gendered bathrooms can be dangerous and unsafe for them. 

Therefore it is reasonable for LGBT people to use separate bathrooms within reason.

[hoodrow trillson]

There’s already some gender neutral bathrooms in the area where I live.  Nobody gives a shit and nobody’s been assaulted.

[Sucuk Ekmek]

8 hours ago, Yimpa said:

The fact that who uses which bathroom is still an issue in public shows how immature society really is.

Yeah, I invited my female co-worker to her restroom to do some job related cleaning stuff after hearing someone coming up, I just left the place. Who cares for this stuff.

Yesterday  during the day an old russian guy came from the beach pull down his trunks and peed to the tree in front of me  while I was drinking my monster, that was gross. I think to myself he didn't have the mother who will teach him to pee in sea.

[mojsterr]

Pee in the sea sounds like a good punk band

[vibv]

8 hours ago, LoseYourvelf said:

 Btw Leo described "Holding a pistol in your mouth" wondering if to pull the trigger

Idk the background/history/truth

Dude, I literally wish I had the gut to summon the will to pick up a pistol and put it in my mouth. I've sliced my wrists to pieces with knives once so I don't know how similar that would be but dude, I'd slam all my finger power down on that trigger dude. It wouldn't even get in my hands nor my mouth cos im a shooter and daddio, i shoot proud

wtf are you talking about.

[Sucuk Ekmek]

3 minutes ago, mojsterr said:

Pee in the sea sounds like a good punk band

Probably that is the only good thing about it.

[voxun]

6 hours ago, Staples said:

Most trans people I know are not comfortable using either gender bathroom.

They prefer using a disabled or other gender neutral bathroom that's non communal (one person at a time inside).

As long as that is reasonably available they're happy.

There we have it. Put an extra sticker on the disabled bathroom.

[PurpleTree]

2 hours ago, hoodrow trillson said:

There’s already some gender neutral bathrooms in the area where I live.  Nobody gives a shit and nobody’s been assaulted.

Same here.

[Consept]

You could just have individual stalls and then unisex sinks etc in theory everyones home has a unisex bathroom so its not really a stretch. The other option is go with what you present as because if trans woman is more undistinguishable from a woman, it would definitely be more strange if they use a male bathroom. But yeah i think a lot of the people making noise about this are basically trans-phobic it really shouldnt be that big of an issue 

[Spiritual Warfare]

16 hours ago, Yimpa said:

The fact that who uses which bathroom is still an issue in public shows how immature society really is.

People love drama.