What should be done about LGBT restrooms?

[Spiritual Warfare]

1 minute ago, Princess Arabia said:

"This is the most irrational statement I've ever heard". Those were my exact words. If I had said "This is the most unintelligent statement i've ever heard", that will still not have been a defamation of your character. Saying a wall is more intelligent than I am is. I'm only pointing out to you how you're doing the same thing you're accusing people of, because personally I really don't care if you call me unintelligent. It was to make a point. 

Your point is not valid.

[Princess Arabia]

3 minutes ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

Thanks.

Thanks? That's all you can come up with after I've shown you that your arguments are weak, saying there are only two genders. That dude was born with both genitals. When I show you how your gender construct is baloney, you simply dissmis it just to keep your point going. He's not the only one because there are others. Shows you how it's just a matter of biases, because you don't care about the truth. 

[Spiritual Warfare]

5 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Thanks? That's all you can come up with after I've shown you that your arguments are weak, saying there are only two genders. That dude was born with both genitals. When I show you how your gender construct is baloney, you simply dissmis it just to keep your point going. He's not the only one because there are others. Shows you how it's just a matter of biases, because you don't care about the truth. 

There are two genders. The rest are mentally ill. You should start reading studies by real people who work in biological medicine. Do you seriously think that I or anyone else will change our views because someone claims to be something else? There are people who say they are poop. Does that mean it’s true or worth listening to? No. Do more research, ask normal people, and you will get the true answer.

[Nemra]

Just now, Spiritual Warfare said:

Yes, you said that gender is not the same as gender identity. 

I didn't say they are or are not.

I said there aren't only two genders.

[Princess Arabia]

2 minutes ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

There are two genders. The rest are mentally ill. You should start reading studies by real people who work in biological medicine. Do you seriously think that I or anyone else will change our views because someone claims to be something else? There are people who say they are poop. Does that mean it’s true or worth listening to? No. Do more research, ask normal people, and you will get the true answer.

I guess that newborn baby that was born with two genitalia is mentally ill. I'm out.

[Spiritual Warfare]

1 minute ago, Nemra said:

I didn't say they are or are not.

I said there aren't only two genders.

There are only two genders. The rest are gender identities, which do not count.

[Spiritual Warfare]

2 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

I guess that newborn baby that was born with two genitalia is mentally ill. I'm out.

Fly away when you get caught in your own nonsense.

[Nemra]

4 minutes ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

There are two genders. The rest are mentally ill.

New genders are constructed for or by people who have a gender identity that isn't limited to the recognized or established genders.

[Nemra]

12 minutes ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

There are only two genders. The rest are gender identities, which do not count.

In which countries are you looking to draw that conclusion?

[Princess Arabia]

11 minutes ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

Fly away when you get caught in your own nonsense.

No, I'm flying away from the nonsense. I gave no opinions either way on whether they should have separate restrooms or not. I said I didn't care. I was only pointing out your slips and holes. 

[Spiritual Warfare]

5 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

No, I'm flying away from the nonsense. I gave no opinions either way on whether they should have separate restrooms or not. I said I didn't care. I was only pointing out your slips and holes. 

Okay, but we won’t engage in that on this forum. Instead, let’s help each other out. If there’s something personal that bothers you, please address it in a private message.

[Princess Arabia]

20 minutes ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

Okay, but we won’t engage in that on this forum. Instead, let’s help each other out. If there’s something personal that bothers you, please address it in a private message.

Very few things bother me. I wasn't bothered by your attacks on my intelligence, I was simply using it as a reference point to make a point. Call me personally whatever names you want, it won't bother me. I might stop engaging, but it wouldn't be because I'm bothered but because I would expect respect. This conversation isn't worth being bothered about on a personal level, nothing really is on the forum, but somethings may stand out more. This definitely isn't one of them. 

[Nemra]

Claude AI.

Biology has a great influence on our gender identity, based on what science has observed:

• Shows up early in childhood
• Brain development patterns exist
• Hormones play a role
• Genetic factors seen in twin studies
• Can't be changed by social pressure
• Not a conscious choice
• Similar patterns across different cultures

Think of it like handedness - while environment might have some effect, there's clearly a strong biological component to whether someone's naturally right or left-handed.

But we should note:

• Exact mechanisms aren't fully understood
• Environment plays some role
• Research is still ongoing
• Individual experiences vary

The evidence points to biology having a significant influence on how we internally experience our gender identity, even though we're still learning exactly how this works.

And this makes gender identity more fundamental because:

• Comes from biology/brain development
• Internal sense of self
• Not chosen or learned
• Can't be changed
• Exists regardless of society

While gender (social categories) is:

• Created by societies
• Can change over time
• Varies between cultures
• Based on social needs
• Can be reformed/redefined

It's like:

• Gender identity is the internal reality (like having brown eyes)
• Gender categories are how society tries to organize these realities (like how we label eye colors)

This explains why:

• People can have gender identities that don't match social categories
• Different cultures create different gender systems
• Gender categories often change to better reflect identities
• You can change gender systems but not gender identities

So yes, gender identity is more fundamental - it's part of who we are, while gender is how society tries to categorize and organize those identities.

[Nemra]

It's ironic that the people who don't want other genders to exist don't recognize what they are clinging to is mostly socially constructed compaired to gender identities. 😏

Edited October 31 by Nemra

[mojsterr]

1 hour ago, Princess Arabia said:

Thanks? That's all you can come up with after I've shown you that your arguments are weak, saying there are only two genders. That dude was born with both genitals.

But, there are only two, and people with both genitals have both of these two. So how is it not two genders?

 

[Consept]

4 hours ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

Comparing the separation of black and white people to that of men and women is quite laughable. Black and white individuals are both human, whereas the two biological sexes are fundamentally different, even though they both come from humans.

Talk about missing the point, what I'm saying is that we are all human, you can choose to seperate bathrooms out on anything you like but that's still a construction for whatever reason. You can choose to seperate them for gender, you can choose to seperate them for race, it's still a choice that a society makes either way 

[Princess Arabia]

1 hour ago, mojsterr said:

But, there are only two, and people with both genitals have both of these two. So how is it not two genders?

 

Male is one, female is another, and neither is another. What constitutes for one to be a male - his penis, right; and female - her vagina, right, (it's more than that but for now, we'll stick to just these) If one has both are they both male and female. They are known as hermaphrodites. They are intersexed. Male and female are simply binary sex classifications. There are also males born with reproductive organs and babies born atypical where the genitals have not been clearly formed or defined. There are variables to all this and is not strictly just defined as male and female. This can be a very complicated subject and stretches from one biased opinion to it being a biological issue. This is not a mental retardation issue as OP suggests. He's obviously ignorant to certain facts and it's hard to argue constructively with ignorance.

Edited October 31 by Princess Arabia

[Nemra]

18 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

This is not a mental retardation issue as OP suggests

He was saying that only two genders exist, and the other ones are mental illnesses.

Also, intersex is not a gender.

Edited October 31 by Nemra

[Princess Arabia]

12 minutes ago, Nemra said:

He was saying that only two genders exist, and the other ones are mental illnesses.

Also, intersex is not a gender.

Word semantics doesn't excuse ignorance. If one decides to change their sex, it doesn't mean they are mentally ill, because nature itself allows for these conditions. If it wasn't a natural occurrence in the first place for one to be born with both, how can if one later on in life choose to change, be a mental illness. The seeds were already planted in nature for this to even be a desire.

Edited October 31 by Princess Arabia

[Nemra]

@Princess Arabia, I don't agree with him.