What should be done about LGBT restrooms?

[Spiritual Warfare]

13 hours ago, Buck Edwards said:

LGBT should have new restrooms only for them. 

Give me good arguments for that. 

 

 

[Spiritual Warfare]

7 hours ago, mojsterr said:

Pee in the sea sounds like a good punk band

A person who is tied to a tree but has a stick in their anus could be given a better name.

 

 

[Spiritual Warfare]

12 hours ago, Staples said:

True in theory. Not in practice.

Lots of groups get special treatment. That's why class, race and gender are political issues. Communities compete for special treatment.

LGBT people deserve special treatment insofar that they need it to meet their basic human needs.

LGBT people using classic gendered bathrooms can be dangerous and unsafe for them. 

Therefore it is reasonable for LGBT people to use separate bathrooms within reason.

Initially, perhaps, but if they want to be a part of humanity and not feel separate, they need to stop having special needs. It is ironic that transgender people say they are either a boy or a girl but want to be publicly separate, and then they wonder why people judge them differently.

 

 

[Spiritual Warfare]

12 hours ago, Staples said:

Most trans people I know are not comfortable using either gender bathroom.

 

They need to start becoming comfortable. I know it’s difficult, but they must learn if society is not to see them as a monstrosity or a different species.

 

 

[Spiritual Warfare]

8 hours ago, hoodrow trillson said:

There’s already some gender neutral bathrooms in the area where I live.  Nobody gives a shit and nobody’s been assaulted.

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[Spiritual Warfare]

5 hours ago, Consept said:

You could just have individual stalls and then unisex sinks etc in theory everyones home has a unisex bathroom so its not really a stretch. The other option is go with what you present as because if trans woman is more undistinguishable from a woman, it would definitely be more strange if they use a male bathroom. But yeah i think a lot of the people making noise about this are basically trans-phobic it really shouldnt be that big of an issue 

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[Yimpa]

In 100+ years we will have only one large public bathroom and anybody can go in it.

[Spiritual Warfare]

23 minutes ago, Yimpa said:

In 100+ years we will have only one large public bathroom and anybody can go in it.

By then, it will be less of a bathroom and more of a full-blown community center. And let’s not forget the legendary single, unisex toilet line stretching all the way out the door, where people will be forming lifelong friendships while they wait their turn.

 

 

[PurpleTree]

20 hours ago, Yimpa said:

In 100+ years we will have only one large public bathroom and anybody can go in it.

I will pee and shite in the woods at that point. Just connecting with nature and stuff.

[Scholar]

On 29.10.2024 at 11:06 PM, Spiritual Warfare said:

Being a liberal democracy means treating everyone equally, which means that the LGBT community does not deserve special treatment.

This directly contradicts this statement:

On 29.10.2024 at 11:06 PM, Spiritual Warfare said:

Because of this, I believe that regarding the restroom controversy, no changes are necessary. We do not need to create new restrooms for transgender or homosexual individuals solely because they may feel uncomfortable.

We are not treating everyone equally. If we did, we wouldn't have gender seperation in regards to restrooms in the first place. Why do women deserve special treatment, just because they may feel uncomfortable?

 

If you want to be consistent about your stance you ought to advocate for the abolishment of gender-separated restrooms, given that it is giving special treatment to a majority class and therefore does not fit into the liberal democratic principle of treating everyone equally.

[DocWatts]

All that LGBTQ want is to be able to do their business, wash their hands, and go back to whatever it was they were doing without being threatened or harassed.

This a total non issue. The only reason it's being harped on is to deny trans people access to public spaces. Trans bathroom panic is the modern equivalent of the 'whites only' water fountain.

Edited October 31 by DocWatts

[Spiritual Warfare]

2 minutes ago, Scholar said:

This directly contradicts this statement:

We are not treating everyone equally. If we did, we wouldn't have gender seperation in regards to restrooms in the first place. Why do women deserve special treatment, just because they may feel uncomfortable?

 

If you want to be consistent about your stance you ought to advocate for the abolishment of gender-separated restrooms, given that it is giving special treatment to a majority class and therefore does not fit into the liberal democratic principle of treating everyone equally.

You misunderstood me. Please read it again and try once more.

[Scholar]

1 minute ago, DocWatts said:

All that LGBTQ want is to do their business, wash their hands, and go back to whatever it was they were doing without being threatened or harassed.

This a total non issue. The only reason it's being harped on is to deny trans people access to public spaces. Trans bathroom panic is the modern equivalent of the 'whites only' water fountain.

People always use predators to justify their existing predispositions towards a certain marginalized groups.

We did the same to race, homosexuals and now the same occurs with trans people and individuals who engage in consensual incest. You can even see this occuring in relation to animal rights, where various forms of animal rights (like banning slaughtering and enslaving of animals) are made out to threaten social order.

A conservative is like someone who sees the invention of cars as a threat. "People will die in accidents if we allow people to drive such machines!"

But the conservative does not see that there are solutions to the problem that will mitigate such risks without hindering progress, namely the invention of traffic laws and safe car designs. The conservative is primarily interested in maintaining the world view and cultural context which he is comfortable with.

[Scholar]

1 minute ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

You misunderstood me. Please read it again and try once more.

I don't see any misunderstanding, I think you simply are not aware that the principles you aspouse directly contradict some of the conclusions you draw from them.

[Spiritual Warfare]

1 minute ago, Scholar said:

I don't see any misunderstanding, I think you simply are not aware that the principles you aspouse directly contradict some of the conclusions you draw from them.

I’m saying that no one should have special needs.

[Scholar]

3 minutes ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

I’m saying that no one should have special needs.

Then you should be for abolishing gendered restrooms.

[Spiritual Warfare]

1 minute ago, Scholar said:

Then you should be for abolishing gendered restrooms.

No, because transgender people see themselves as a real woman or a real man.

[Scholar]

3 minutes ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

No, because transgender people see themselves as a real woman or a real man.

Doesn't matter. You said nobody should be given special treatment, but heteronormative individuals are getting special treatment by having gendered toilets. What about intersex individuals? If every sex should get a toilet, intersex individuals should get one too.

Otherwise this is just a farce to justify majority domination.

[Spiritual Warfare]

1 minute ago, Scholar said:

Doesn't matter. You said nobody should be given special treatment, but heteronormative individuals are getting special treatment by having gendered toilets. What about intersex individuals? If every sex should get a toilet, intersex individuals should get one too.

Otherwise this is just a farce to justify majority domination.

Men and women have existed first, and if we are going to change that, it creates a need that I do not support. The aim should be to foster an environment where all individuals, regardless of their gender identity or biological characteristics, feel safe and accepted, rather than framing the issue as a matter of special treatment versus majority domination.

[Nemra]

1 minute ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

Men and women have existed first

Could you please expand on that?