Tony Hinchcliffe BAD Joke at Trump’s Rally

[DocWatts]

1 hour ago, What Am I said:

I may have missed the reasoning for the comparison amidst all this noise. Is it simply because a Nazi rally was also held in MSG in 1939, or is there also some other factor that makes the two events similar?

The racism on display was so ugly and blatant that the public relations teams for the RNC (!!) are working overtime to backpedal from the rhetoric here. Puerto Ricans (who I remind you are American citizens) were literally referred to as 'garbage' by an RNC vetted 'comedian', reading from a teleprompter.

Mind you, this is coming on the heels of Trump literally praising Hitler, endorsing a self-described 'black Nazi' for governor of North Carolina, calling immigrants 'vermin', referring to American citizens who oppose his dictatorial plans as 'the enemy within', and openly stating that he wants to deploy the military against United States citizens.

Short of Trump stepping on stage in front of a swastika and calling for a final solution to the 'illegals' problem, it's hard to think of how the historical parallels could be made any more blatant at this point.
 

 

Edited October 29, 2024 by DocWatts

[What Am I]

19 minutes ago, DocWatts said:

The racism on display was so ugly and blatant that the public relations teams for the RNC (!!) are working overtime to do damage control. Puerto Ricans (who I remind you are American citizens) were literally referred to as 'garbage' by an RNC vetted 'comedian', reading from a teleprompter.

Mind you this, is coming on the heels of Trump literally praising Hitler, endorsing a self-described 'black Nazi' for governor of North Carolina, calling immigrants 'vermin', referring to American citizens who oppose his dictatorial plans as 'the enemy within', and openly stating that he wants to deploy the military against United States citizens.

Short of Trump stepping on stage in front of a swastika and calling for a final solution to the 'illegals' problem, it's hard to think of how the historical parallels could be made any more blatant at this point.

Well, you have made a better case for the comparison than what I was aware of before asking the question, but I still think it's a little hyperbolic and opportunistic. I think the use of that comparison is meant to strategically shift people's perspectives before an upcoming election, and that's allowing exaggeration to play a part. If we're really talking about the Nazis, they did some serious shit. But I guess I do see where the rally opened the door to allow the comparison in the first place. They have themselves to blame for making it possible.

[DocWatts]

23 minutes ago, What Am I said:

Well, you have made a better case for the comparison than what I was aware of before asking the question, but I still think it's a little hyperbolic and opportunistic. I think the use of that comparison is meant to strategically shift people's perspectives before an upcoming election, and that's allowing exaggeration to play a part. If we're really talking about the Nazis, they did some serious shit. But I guess I do see where the rally opened the door to allow the comparison in the first place. They have themselves to blame for making it possible.

What people should keep in mind is that the apt historical comparison at this point is the rhetoric and tactics the Nazis were using to destroy Weimer democracy in the early 1930s, while they still had some constraints on their behavior (just like American fascism is working to subvert the constraints that are imposed upon them by American democracy).

It's unfortunate that the type of folk-history that's common here in the 'States mostly mostly glosses over how the Nazis were able to subvert democracy, with most of the focus going to the horrific things they did while they were in power (which is obviously very important, but less instructive for where we're at now).

(To that end, I would HIGHLY recommend 'The Death of Democracy: Hitler's Rise to Power and the Downfall of the Weimar Republic' by Benjamin Carter Hett as a resource for anyone who wants an in-depth account of this).

Edited October 29, 2024 by DocWatts

[PurpleTree]

54 minutes ago, DocWatts said:

The racism on display was so ugly and blatant that the public relations teams for the RNC (!!) are working overtime to backpedal from the rhetoric here. Puerto Ricans (who I remind you are American citizens) were literally referred to as 'garbage' by an RNC vetted 'comedian', reading from a teleprompter.

I mean to be fair i think he never said that Puerto Ricans are garbage. He just said (from what i heard) he thinks the garbage island (which does exist) is named Puerto Rico. 

[What Am I]

33 minutes ago, DocWatts said:

What people should keep in mind is that the apt historical comparison at this point is the rhetoric and tactics the Nazis were using to destroy Weimer democracy in the early 1930s, while they still had some constraints on their behavior (just like American fascism is working to subvert the constraints that are imposed upon them by American democracy).

It's unfortunate that the type of folk-history that's common here in the 'States mostly mostly glosses over how the Nazis were able to subvert democracy, with most of the focus going to the horrific things they did while they were in power (which is obviously very important, but less instructive for where we're at now).

(To that end, I would HIGHLY recommend 'The Death of Democracy: Hitler's Rise to Power and the Downfall of the Weimar Republic' by Benjamin Carter Hett as a resource for anyone who wants an in-depth account of this).

Your knowledge of history certainly blows mine away. I was always a dunce in that area and never had the interest needed to actively pursue it.

If there's parallels between the modern US and the Nazis from the time before they committed their atrocities, it'd probably be more effective in changing minds for those similarities to be highlighted more often. I only ever hear the simplistic "Trump is Hitler" kind of talk.

A cautionary warning might be taken more seriously if it was better understood what occurred during that time period where the Nazis were considered mostly benign, at least in comparison to what they eventually became.

[Jacob Morres]

What hasn't trump done at this point lol 

Edited October 30, 2024 by Jacob Morres

[Consept]

Apparently Trumps team cleared all the jokes beforehand and took out one of Tony calling Kamala a cu**, that was the line 

[Leo Gura]

These aren't jokes, it's fascist mania.

Edited October 31, 2024 by Leo Gura

[Whitney Edwards]

 

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[EdgeGod900]

On 29/10/2024 at 3:29 AM, Consept said:

I do watch KT sometimes and I would agree that he says worse stuff on the show, but I would also say some o the humour on KT can come across very harsh in terms of bullying and a lot of the jokes especially from Tony are racial, which i dont even have a problem with if theyre funny but a lot of the time it just like 'its an asian guy (inesert stereotype here)'. So its not that im outraged or offended i just think its lazy and repetitive a lot of the time, there are some things he says where its actually amazing he came up with it so quick as well. But overall i think its fine and people like it.

In regards to the rally, if i was thinking strategically from Trumps campaign pov, it cant be a good idea to have Tony on there because it could have the potential of influencing a lot of independents or undecided voters. The other thing is that the audience of the rally is very important to take into account, when Tony makes jokes about Latinos or Blacks in front of this crowd the idea is how bad Latinos and blacks are and how different they are to us, its not laughing with them really, especially when you look at the rhetoric of the other speakers. Lets say Tony was speaking at a Dem rally and mad the same jokes, itd probably go down a bit better because its shocking and its like a break in what everyone else was saying. But him making the jokes at the trump rally takes away the irony, so its looks like hes just saying PR is a shithole rather than, 'isnt it shocking i said PR is a shithole' 

So you are the 1% of people in this thread who i'm not referring to.

 

Can't believe @Leo Gura can't tell that these are jokes. Again, him and anybody else who think these aren't jokes don't know Tony. Again, I think its a bad idea to hire an edgy comedian to be a part of your political campaigns.

This shit is so petty, can't believe this shit is such a big deal. Focus more on the policies and shit, god damnit.

Edited October 31, 2024 by EdgeGod900

[Leo Gura]

44 minutes ago, EdgeGod900 said:

So you are the 1% of people in this thread who i'm not referring to.

 

Can't believe @Leo Gura can't tell that these are jokes. Again, him and anybody else who think these aren't jokes don't know Tony. Again, I think its a bad idea to hire an edgy comedian to be a part of your political campaigns.

This shit is so petty, can't believe this shit is such a big deal. Focus more on the policies and shit, god damnit.

It's not just jokes and it's not petty at all.

It's a foreshadowing and normalization of fascism. It's happening in the context of a fascist takeover of democracy.

If it was said in a comedy club, then no problem. But it is said at a fascist rally.

Edited October 31, 2024 by Leo Gura

[Hatfort]

[Dabidoe]

4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

It's not just jokes and it's not petty at all.

It's a foreshadowing and normalization of fascism. It's happening in the context of a fascist takeover of democracy.

If it was said in a comedy club, then no problem. But it is said at a fascist rally.

It's fair to criticize jokes told on stage at a political rally with more scrutiny. For people who are fans of Tony it's easy to say "well he's a comedian performing comedy" but also fair to say "well his psycho supporters won't see it that way."

Curious as to what you think of Konstantin Klein's take on this? I found it humorous but given your seemingly spiral dynamics blue style "Moral authority" I can see that you'd invalidate the entire premise of the argument.
 
 

 

Edited October 31, 2024 by Dabidoe

[Consept]

2 hours ago, Dabidoe said:

It's fair to criticize jokes told on stage at a political rally with more scrutiny. For people who are fans of Tony it's easy to say "well he's a comedian performing comedy" but also fair to say "well his psycho supporters won't see it that way."

Curious as to what you think of Konstantin Klein's take on this? I found it humorous but given your seemingly spiral dynamics blue style "Moral authority" I can see that you'd invalidate the entire premise of the argument.
 
 

 

Imo he's strawmanning the position that Trump is a facist. I would be impressed if he did a video saying why when Trump says things like the constitution should be ripped up or that he will be dictator for a day, or him looking up to figures like Putin. Or of course him literally trying to stop thr peaceful transition of power and leaning on states to 'find votes' for him. 

All these are valid criticisms that Trump has a facist play book and wants to be a dictator. But what I've noticed is that most maga people latch on to being outraged that people are calling them Nazis, even though he is literally using tactics that Hitler used. Still they aren't literal Nazis but the criticism is valid. Kisin is making light of the left being so out of touch with reality that they're calling normal people Nazis but this is extremely dishonest from someone that is supposed to be centrist, free thinker. Why is he only engaging in the strawman and not the substantive evidence against Trump that he's basically a facist. Not only that there are lots of people including generals that worked with Trump and they all say this. 

[Juan]

@Hatfort @EdgeGod900 Since you guys are not from Puerto Rico, of course it’s easy to judge from outside and can’t understand how big of a issue is our relationship with the US, hell we can’t even vote for the US president! The rich people come here to avoid paying federal taxes and many living areas the prices had gone up! The locals obviously get affected and they have to move, and other issues.

And again to my previous post we are in a point that the Independent Party could win for the first time ever aside from the old same Democratic and Republican Party, so Tony’s joke is just not needed right now but I’m happy in the sense that it will affect Trump votes.

Edited October 31, 2024 by Juan

[EdgeGod900]

@Juan I'm Canadian and the mass immigration in this country has lead many living areas to go up. So many more Canadian citizens are homeless/unemployed because the competition for jobs have increased due to this mass immigration. And some migrants won't even integrate properly. Majority of Canadians don't like this. 

And you know what? People can literally make fun of Canada about this and I dont fucking care lol, BECAUSE I'M NOT ATTACHED TO MY NATIONALITY, so I can see the joke. This is what I'm pointing out. I don't think i'm judging you, its a fact, whether you are self aware about it or not, that you are attached to your Puerto Rican Identity -- and that you don't know Tony. Its okay to be these things, I just like to point them out.

Edited November 1, 2024 by EdgeGod900

[Hatfort]

3 hours ago, Juan said:

@Hatfort @EdgeGod900 Since you guys are not from Puerto Rico, of course it’s easy to judge from outside and can’t understand how big of a issue is our relationship with the US, hell we can’t even vote for the US president! The rich people come here to avoid paying federal taxes and many living areas the prices had gone up! The locals obviously get affected and they have to move, and other issues.

And again to my previous post we are in a point that the Independent Party could win for the first time ever aside from the old same Democratic and Republican Party, so Tony’s joke is just not needed right now but I’m happy in the sense that it will affect Trump votes.

I was judging the ones who made and liked the joke, not the other way around. My knowledge is limited, but Puerto Rico seems one of these places that wasn't allowed to be decolonized as others in their time, that the US kept for its geo-strategic and economic value by violent and fascist means.

Being part of the US doesn't seem to do its people any favor nowadays either.

[thedoorsareopen]

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At least Kamala pays lip service to virtue, even if it's scripted. 

I'm going to ignore the lazy both-sides-ism latent in this comment so I can point out that the words a leader uses are important. The tone a leader sets through their words, how they handle and channel emotions, and the message they convey to those who follow them, is what defines a leader. 

Listen to Kamala's rally speeches, she is a truly inspiring and unifying leader. She speaks of dignity, opportunity, and lifting all people up. Dismissing that out of hand as mere "lip service" is about as disingenuous as seeing Donald praising Hitler and instead of criticizing him, you get mad at the people pointing out his fascist, Nazi-baiting tendencies.

The tone a leader sets defines the kind of leadership they employ. Part of the reason we are criticizing Trump's authoritarian ways is because most of us DO NOT WANT an authoritarian government. We want our country to become more democratic and representative, not less. This fascist playbook is un-American, and you show the lack of respect you have for the collective shared heritage of our society's institutions by supporting this self-serving sleazeball.

For fuck's sake people, didn't any of you see the Star Wars prequels? The Blues Brothers? V for Vendetta? 

This is basic ass shit. When a conman politician comes along using hateful rhetoric and promising to shred the institutions of our society, we as educated and engaged citizens use the power of our voice and our vote to knock him back. This election cycle has shredded my impression of this forum as an enlightened place. Yall took some psychs and think you're geniuses as you sip the conservative koolaid.