My 2024 Psychedelic Tier List ⚕️

[PurpleTree]

Nice trees in the background of your video 🌳

[Xonas Pitfall]

Hmm.. what is "Amrita"? Sounds curious.

[Tanz]

On 11/1/2024 at 5:49 AM, Schizophonia said:

He admitted on his books and here and there that the “dualist rationalisation” (placebo effect, quantum field in a lesser extent etc) is a strategy to manage and avoid scaring away too sceptical people.

He sometimes says explicitly that he is a god and his works fundamentally consists to becoming conscious enough to change reality.

The pitfall of that belief, is there is often someone with more power to shape reality via wealth, government, media. If you are playing a sport there is another person that wants the same things as you. Perhaps they have a collective group with a stronger will than yours so they work harder together to overcome you, unless you are talking about tennis.  

Novak Djokovic was always liked less and when covid hit they hated him more and still overcome everyone from the media to other players to beat them which makes him an even badder mofo.  

Edited November 4 by Tanz

[Clarence]

@Davino Have you tripped on salvia and tried the salvia tincture? I don't know if you talked about your experience with it somewhere. If you have, I must have missed it, but I'm interested to know.

You seem to say that you haven't tried the substance yet, but that you understand it very well. That's a bit confusing for me.

[Davino]

@Clarence I've tripped on Salvia but not tried the tincture yet

7 hours ago, Clarence said:

I don't know if you talked about your experience with it somewhere.

Yes, I have. There is a trip report posted in the forum

You may also search all my comments on Salvia.

In fact, these two last days (after years) I'be done Salvia again, twice in fact, and I'm considering about posting my trip reports.

7 hours ago, Clarence said:

You seem to say that you haven't tried the substance yet, but that you understand it very well. 

Literally the opposite

I have tried it and I don't understand the full implications of Salvia

Although after these two last trips, I'm getting a grain of salt closer

[Clarence]

18 hours ago, Davino said:

Literally the opposite

I have tried it and I don't understand the full implications of Salvia

Although after these two last trips, I'm getting a grain of salt closer

Lol sorry, I got it all wrong.

I've started reading all your comments on Salvia.

Are you tripping by yourself, or do you have a sitter nearby? Isn't it dangerous to take it alone?

I'm not ready yet to take Salvia as I have other psychedelics to try first and I need more experience, but at some point I will. However, it puts me off a bit if I need a sitter for this substance.

I guess it takes many trips to fully understand one substance. Do you still feel like going deeper after your last two trips? 

[Davino]

1 hour ago, Clarence said:

Are you tripping by yourself, or do you have a sitter nearby? Isn't it dangerous to take it alone?

I'm tripping by myself

I haven't done large enough doses where I thought a tripper was necessary

I'm handling Salvia as a nuclear bomb

From 0 to 10 of Salvia potency

I have experienced probably up to 2

It's extremely challenging just up to that level and I feel there's a lot of work to be done in the 0-2 potency before I even feel ready to consider medium doses

I know all that can happen with Salvia, so really is up to you to take carefull considerations. You cannot outsource that to me or to anybody

Moreover, after all the research you'll have to experience it and see in field what are your needs to take care of your safety and from that experience evaluate future plans

We are talking about the most powerful delirant psychedelic

No jokes

1 hour ago, Clarence said:

I'm not ready yet to take Salvia as I have other psychedelics to try first and I need more experience, but at some point I will.

That's the attutide. I honestly didn't found value in Salvia before

I couldn't make sense of it

I was an experienced psychonaut by then

Yet I immediately saw the task at hand exceeded greatly my capabilities

Till the 5meos aren't mastered, there's little point in going to Salvia

Once 5meos are done and you have wide horizontal experience with other psychedelics (lsd, mushrooms, mdma, ketamine, AL-LAD, edibles...)

Well let me put it this way

This are the Salvia requirements:

• A wide landscape of Psychedelic states of consciousness
• A deep mastery of 5meo

Then you'll try Salvia and you'll still get mindfucked and utterly shocked. So bear that in mind, it's a necessary step but it won't make it any less challenging.

It's also really rewarding. Salvia is in a way the love of my life. There's something about Salvia that captivates my soul in a way no other substance does.

1 hour ago, Clarence said:

I guess it takes many trips to fully understand one substance. Do you still feel like going deeper after your last two trips? 

Of course

I'm just doing as much Salvia as I feel ready to do

That means maybe not doing it for years

Then doing a little back again

Work your way up

Then leaving it again for some time

Whatever feels right to you

Certainly don't rush it. Salvia humbles you down: It's the ego-smasher

Each time you hold the Salvia pipe. Consider it as shooting yourself in the head

Now you know nothing

Open the butt

And let the Salvia fuck you

Of course, enjoy the sex! 

Otherwise, it'll rape you

Up to you

Edited November 5 by Davino

[Davino]

1 hour ago, Clarence said:

I've started reading all your comments on Salvia.

Yes, it's very important to do proper research

I remember once I wrote all the dangers

Just as a quick reminder, at a given threshold

• You'll forget you took Salvia or any drug. You have no memory
• You'll lose body consciousness and the body may go wild and crack its skull open
• Intense paranoia, fear and uncomfortable sensations may arise. Otherwise, going totally Insane, delirant, losing your mind

 

Also, consider it's not as bad as it seems. You'll be surprised about how powerful your consciousness actually is. Insanity can feel amazing, losing your memory can be liberating and physical death may lead you to a new world of never ending machine elves partying

[Davino]

Some Salvia art (high doses) :

 

 

Edited November 5 by Davino

[RightHand]

@Davino really cool art, thanks.

[Schizophonia]

3 hours ago, Davino said:

Some Salvia art (high doses) :

 

 

It curiously looks like most of my 4 ho met trips.

[Davino]

4 hours ago, Schizophonia said:

It curiously looks like most of my 4 ho met trips.

The Mind Space/State is radically different. The vibe is just insane, being insane in Salvia feels like being normal. Being normal in salvia feels like going insane.

[Schizophonia]

4 minutes ago, Davino said:

The Mind Space/State is radically different. The vibe is just insane, being insane in Salvia feels like being normal. Being normal in salvia feels like going insane.

Yea, i meant the internal visuals.

A friend tried Salvia a bit and compared it to a cold and unpleasant mix of mushroom and a dissociative.

[Davino]

@Schizophonia Yes, in that case there is similarity. Salvia has this sense of profound natural wisdom, like the lead of life, so to speak. Mushrooms and its derivates also have that vibe.

Excuse me If I was too harsh, I don't wanna create confusion for the reader.

2 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

A friend tried Salvia a bit and compared it to a cold and unpleasant mix of mushroom and a dissociative.

Yes, that's a common reaction to the Salvia encounter. 99% of people don't find it appealing, it is not fun, like psychedelics. Most psychonauts claim they do it for Awakening and Truth, yet when Salvia comes and the trips are not fun nor pleasurable they just discard it and forget about it.

[Schizophonia]

5 minutes ago, Davino said:

@Schizophonia Yes, in that case there is similarity. Salvia has this sense of profound natural wisdom, like the lead of life, so to speak. Mushrooms and its derivates also have that vibe.

Yet, the salvia visuals/delusions seem mocking, goofy, quite aggressive. Not as "round" and "organic" as mushrooms.
4 HO MET is a mushroom derivative, and yet to me the vibe is generally sexual, perverse, sensual, twisted, clownish, carnivalesque.

8 minutes ago, Davino said:

 

Excuse me If I was too harsh, I don't wanna create confusion for the reader.

No no dw.

8 minutes ago, Davino said:

 

Yes, that's a common reaction to the Salvia encounter. 99% of people don't find it appealing, it is not fun, like psychedelics. Most psychonauts claim they do it for Awakening and Truth, yet when Salvia comes and the trips are not fun nor pleasurable they just discard it and forget about it.

Ive seen here and there it was even worst than 5 MeO DMT, which is already very hard for me for some reasons.

LSD is my favorite psychedelic, i can go very far and it always feels "good", maybe because of dopamine agonism idk.

[Clarence]

9 hours ago, Davino said:

From 0 to 10 of Salvia potency

I have experienced probably up to 2

It's extremely challenging just up to that level and I feel there's a lot of work to be done in the 0-2 potency before I even feel ready to consider medium doses

Could it be like 5-MeO or MALT, or even mushrooms, where low doses tend to be more challening than higher ones? I guess you can't know that yet, but since you're talking about the doses, it made me think of how this tends to be for other psychedelics.

Maybe you'll tell us at some point if you go higher.

9 hours ago, Davino said:

Just as a quick reminder, at a given threshold

• You'll forget you took Salvia or any drug. You have no memory
• You'll lose body consciousness and the body may go wild and crack its skull open
• Intense paranoia, fear and uncomfortable sensations may arise. Otherwise, going totally Insane, delirant, losing your mind

I'm really wondering how a light trips differs from a heavy trip on this substance, but I'll be patient before finding out.

9 hours ago, Davino said:

Also, consider it's not as bad as it seems.

You make it sound quite bad though a lot of the time 

But I know it's for good reason.

I guess we just can't know before we try.

9 hours ago, Davino said:

Some Salvia art (high doses) :

The visuals in these pictures are amazing. I'd love to experience this.

[Davino]

13 hours ago, Clarence said:

Could it be like 5-MeO or MALT, or even mushrooms, where low doses tend to be more challening than higher ones? I guess you can't know that yet, but since you're talking about the doses, it made me think of how this tends to be for other psychedelics.

No

Not at all

The higher the dose

The more challenging it is

13 hours ago, Clarence said:

I'm really wondering how a light trips differs from a heavy trip on this substance, but I'll be patient before finding out.

Very different

A light trip is very introspective, quiet, wisdom like and mildly delirant, your mind contemplate novel ideas

A low trip, you may already exit the body but just abide in the void, infinite zippers, consciousness becomes all pervasive

Medium trips, your body moves like wild, entering into other lifes for years both as animate and inanimate objects, total time distortion, space distortion, you forgot you ever happened to be human, new world new life, the wildest stuff

Heavy trips, *ineffable*

13 hours ago, Clarence said:

I guess we just can't know before we try.

Totally, it's new domain of consciousness unlike anything you've experienced

13 hours ago, Clarence said:

The visuals in these pictures are amazing. I'd love to experience this.

Those happen at medium to heavy doses. I've just experienced the void and heavy visual distortion

Edited November 6 by Davino

[Clarence]

4 hours ago, Davino said:

Very different

How about motor functions? How much control and understanding over your body and environment did you still have on the doses you've tried? Were you still able to change your position for exemple?

4 hours ago, Davino said:

I've just experienced the void and heavy visual distortion

Awesome! Hope it was an insightful and positive experience.

[Davino]

On 6/11/2024 at 3:24 PM, Clarence said:

How about motor functions?

Heavily impacted

On 6/11/2024 at 3:24 PM, Clarence said:

How much control and understanding over your body and environment did you still have on the doses you've tried?

I didn't remember my name

Or where I was

No memory access, remember?

That means you forget all the memories of your own home, that you took any drug, even your name, age, gender etc.

You instinctively move to the best of your capabilities. Lie down, it's a no brainer, you'll be in the ground want it or not.

Consider it's very short lived though, probably after 10min you can exit the state by conscious will. Although you can prolongate it for an hour and a half if you work with it and you have conscious skills. However, consider time ceases to exist so one salvia minute can feel like an eternity. The few instants before breaking through in Salvia felt like a whole hour of inner conversation, like the last seconds you have before dying that feel like a whole life flashback.

[Clarence]

@Davino Thank you for you responses.

Looking forward to reading new trip reports whenever you feel like sharing