My 2024 Psychedelic Tier List ⚕️

[Verg0]

17 hours ago, Yimpa said:

Magical Beans are S-tier

Coconuts are above S Tier. 

Drinking a Coconut equals instead God Realization for me. 

And it's good for your body. 

[MAHAVATAR_-_BABAJI]

1 hour ago, Schizophonia said:

He has treated many people with serious and incurable diseases.

I don't doubt it.

[PenguinPablo]

4 hours ago, MAHAVATAR_-_BABAJI said:

I don't doubt it.

Who do regard highly from contemporary figures?

[Snader]

On 28.10.2024 at 7:14 PM, Leo Gura said:

I reject these shaman fictions.

I have done enough DMT that any more could kill me. Drinking shaman sludge is completely unnecessary.

Although solitude and purity of substance is optimal for pursuing truth with psychedelics, but isn't it a bit crude to completely talk down the ceremonial way of doing psychedelics? It's not the way for you, but it might be for many.

Not everyone are highly introverted, independent and conscious.

Many young people doing psychedelics drive themselves too deep to an existential crisis and cynicism that they will find it hard to operate in life. For many it might be best to have this social component to their tripping, at first at least.

I think it's the solitude in the process that usually breaks people, and it seem to have a lot to do with personality. Some seem to need to have people around, until they might come to a point of realizing they don't need them. 

You have your way and you want to push people to do it that way too, but as role model I think it would be reasonable for you to be more supportive to other ways of doing things.

[Porphyry Fedotov]

2 hours ago, Snader said:

Although solitude and purity of substance is optimal for pursuing truth with psychedelics, but isn't it a bit crude to completely talk down the ceremonial way of doing psychedelics? It's not the way for you, but it might be for many.

Not everyone are highly introverted, independent and conscious.

Many young people doing psychedelics drive themselves too deep to an existential crisis and cynicism that they will find it hard to operate in life. For many it might be best to have this social component to their tripping, at first at least.

I think it's the solitude in the process that usually breaks people, and it seem to have a lot to do with personality. Some seem to need to have people around, until they might come to a point of realizing they don't need them. 

You have your way and you want to push people to do it that way too, but as role model I think it would be reasonable for you to be more supportive to other ways of doing things.

Speaking from personal experience, I also found that solitude regarding psychedelics is the best option. Even the presence of just one sober person next to you makes your trip less deep and more shallow, as if his current level of consciousness keeping you more sober as well.

Kastaneda btw wrote about similar stuff explaining how humans keep each other's level of consciousness relatively the same during everyday interactions. It's akin to diffusion but in a woo-woo kind of way

[Snader]

2 hours ago, Porphyry Fedotov said:

Speaking from personal experience, I also found that solitude regarding psychedelics is the best option. Even the presence of just one sober person next to you makes your trip less deep and more shallow, as if his current level of consciousness keeping you more sober as well.

Kastaneda btw wrote about similar stuff explaining how humans keep each other's level of consciousness relatively the same during everyday interactions. It's akin to diffusion but in a woo-woo kind of way

Yeah, no doubt. But for many that shallowness can also function as a damper to keep the experience from going too deep too fast. 

[Davino]

10 hours ago, Porphyry Fedotov said:

Speaking from personal experience, I also found that solitude regarding psychedelics is the best option. Even the presence of just one sober person next to you makes your trip less deep and more shallow, as if his current level of consciousness keeping you more sober as well.

Exactly so

It's interesting because this phenomenon doesn't happen to me with animals

After much contemplation, my conclusion is that seeing another human triggers all the humanness and bagage into my mind. Literally when I trip hard my mind entagles with every other mind nearby, which made it hard to trip arround other people, so I ended up tripping at night because the "mind space" is purer.

However, as I kept tripping harder and more profoundly, literally my consciousness uplifted the whole area and humans into translike states. This was very shocking to experience and profoundly touching. Kids in particular are very sensitive, I could literally infuse my consciousness and make a kid have the best moment of its life. Adults are more hard nosed and cold hearted, but nothing that a shit tone of consciousness and love couldn't do. I broke into their mind and felt them to the ass and pulled and expanded into the universal ocean, people started flowing and opening. Absolutely gorgeous to have these kinds of experiences and very grateful for them indeed. Your comment triggered all of this, here I leave it in case it is of value

Extra note: This is the reason why I want to buy a house out in the woods. I don't wanna see humans around my place.

Edited October 30 by Davino

[Breakingthewall]

On 28/10/2024 at 6:48 PM, Davino said:

My only critique is on Salvia

I feel no one understands this substance

Really nobody. I did salvia 2 months ago and had no effect, but just when I smoke in the bong I remember the effect of the two times that I did and I felt panic. Salvia is extremely challenging, much more than 5 meo, DMT or LSD. It's in another level. Let's do salvia 😅. The only problem is that doing it alone is dangerous 

Edited October 30 by Breakingthewall

[Jodistrict]

Nicotine was put on the F list.  But I have used rapeh (peruvian snuff) towards the end of a mushroom journey and it is powerful putting me into deep states of meditation.  Be very careful though.    

[Leo Gura]

22 hours ago, Snader said:

Although solitude and purity of substance is optimal for pursuing truth with psychedelics, but isn't it a bit crude to completely talk down the ceremonial way of doing psychedelics? It's not the way for you, but it might be for many.

Not everyone are highly introverted, independent and conscious.

It's certainly better to do it with people than not do it at all.

But for the real serious work you gotta do it alone.

Yeah, maybe I'm biased here.

[Jodistrict]

26 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It's certainly better to do it with people than not do it at all.

But for the real serious work you gotta do it alone.

Yeah, maybe I'm biased here.

I have done over 50 ceremonies and I recommend it for people starting out.   Having people around and someone to help you reduces anxiety and fear.   But, if you want to take a deep dive it can be limiting.   I have attended ceremonies with noise cancelling headphones which cuts out most of the noise and distractions and provides the space I need to go deep.  

[Davino]

9 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Salvia is extremely challenging, much more than 5 meo, DMT or LSD.

Pure facts brother ahhahaha

9 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

The only problem is that doing it alone is dangerous 

It depends on the ROA, smoked is the nuclear bomb of psychedelics. Yet oral is much softer. Eating leaves is awful but they invented some years ago salvia tincture. Sage Wisdom botanics have been the pioneers in salvia research for decades:

Sage Goddess Emerald Essence

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SAGE GODDESS EMERALD ESSENCE is an extraordinary potion of enchantment. One of the finest Salvia divinorum preparations ever created, it engenders profound experiences that enrich and nurture mind and spirit. As a tool for exploring the psyche it can provide access to fresh, often startling, insights into the nature of consciousness, reality, perception, and the fundamental mysteries of existence.

A Sage Wisdom Botanicals exclusive. This ultra-concentrated tincture of Salvia divinorum has been carefully prepared using a unique new separation process developed by Daniel Siebert. This innovative process selectively extracts and concentrates a group of natural leaf components that enhance the solubility and absorption of the active principal, salvinorin A. All intermediary extraction solvents have been completely removed so that the finished product contains nothing but premium grade Salvia divinorum, grain alcohol and water.

This specially prepared extract is designed for sublingual absorption. The duration and quality of the experience is equivalent to that obtained using traditional Mazatec methods of oral ingestion, but it is far easier to consume and the level of effects achieved is more consistent and reliable. Many people consider this type of experience more productive and rewarding than that of smoked Salvia divinorum because the effects are gentler and considerably longer lasting.

The first effects begin 4–8 minutes after the initial dose is ingested. The strength of the effects gradually increase over the next 4–5 minutes, reaching a plateau that lasts 20–30 minutes, then gradually tapering off over another 1½–2½ hours. By using multiple doses, the duration of both the plateau and the entire experience can be increased. If the effects begin to diminish sooner than you would like, you can use booster doses to extend the experience.

Mild doses reduce extraneous mental activity and calm the mind; many people find that low doses are quite valuable as an aid to meditation and introspection. Mild doses also increase sensual awareness and can have aphrodisiac effects. A moderate dose produces a gentle expansion of consciousness that is useful for inner-journeying and self-exploration; this can also have an extraordinary memory enhancing effect that can provide access to incredibly detailed memories stretching back into early childhood (clearly this has therapeutic potential). Strong doses alter the fabric of consciousness profoundly, producing rich inner-visions and inspiring insight. Very strong doses can totally immerse one in a visionary world and can propel consciousness into the far reaches of transdimensional/transpersonal space.

 

[ChrisZoZo]

@Gerhard nice video two things I would say is that lsd is problematic that it lasts 16+ hours so if it’s a bad trip, it’s a very long and awful trip plus good luck sleeping. My opinion out probably move it down a tier because of this. 
 

Ketamine is bad for you I don’t think it’s really that addictive sort of the same way weed is. Also it’s very very powerful at inducing realisations that you are God. Would probably not move it up a tear but it’s exceptional in the right circumstances if you do it only a couple times a year.

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Davino said:

Pure facts brother ahhahaha

It depends on the ROA, smoked is the nuclear bomb of psychedelics. Yet oral is much softer. Eating leaves is awful but they invented some years ago salvia tincture. Sage Wisdom botanics have been the pioneers in salvia research for decades:

Sage Goddess Emerald Essence

 

Very interesting, I'm going to try to get it. Thanks!

Edited October 31 by Breakingthewall

[LoseYourvelf]

LSD in B is absolutely brutal, are you sure?!

 

Honestly I think a lot of you 5-meo guys need to do higher dose acid, it's a deeper awakening into the body I really do feel so. It's all good to have a 5 min mind trip where you guaranteed stand back up and deal with it and start integrating but there's something to acid that DMT lacks, 1000%

There's something surface level to DMT break throughs and acid heads know this. Just cos you can say you had a harder/more direct trip doesn't mean you're integrating anything good/better, trust me.

Edited October 31 by LoseYourvelf

[LoseYourvelf]

Oh yeah I just got it, this is just a nonsensical thought fart or something.

 

Thanks for wasting my time, I'd love if you deleted that video to be honest

 

What is with this forum? Seriously? Is anyone here doing the work or is it a kind of festival of knowers but not doers? I never get any sense of insight, just regurgitated shit Leo has said. Oh yeah but you've reached awakening with 5-meo, for sure. I really get the sense of that haha, truly... not. DMT flashes are not awakening, you have a lot more to figure out it's very apparent. Come on...

 

I know none of you have reached awakening/satori etc, I don't believe DMT users are valuable psychonauts, they never change at all. I think you need a few years off and to look into another pot that isn't a 10 minute vaped flash.

 

I'm saying this and I love DMT, it's not a way to have a flash of God and then shit on all those practicing. You know fucking nothing and yes it scares me.

 

Pure, pure, pure EGO

 

All you believe is that it is valuable for another human to take your hand and allow you to guide them. You have done absolutely nothing for yourself or anyone else for that matter.

 

You could delete all this smoking gun self help shit today and the world would actually be better off for it. Thief

 

No one trusts you, we can see the lie you're telling yourself. It's time for real change

Edited October 31 by LoseYourvelf

[OBEler]

@LoseYourvelf I agree with you. LSD needs to be A. Also Leo had his first god realization on LSD and not 5 Meo. I know a forum member shee also reached god realization on LSD after 10 5 Meo breakthroughs.

I disagree with the rest you say about people not doing the work. But that's another topic.

[Davino]

@OBEler I had an absolutely epic God Realization on LSD. Hard to say the best but as serious as it gets

What happens with LSD is that you're sooo much time in the tripping state/space that many awakenings just precipitate 

 

[Tanz]

On 10/29/2024 at 8:08 AM, Schizophonia said:

He has treated many people with serious and incurable diseases.

He's useful but basically a more spiritual version of Tony Robbins. He focuses too much on the placebo affect and doesn't go deeper on the why or the how 

He chooses his angle because it makes the most money. His followers would never accept the truth because they are only interested to get out of scarcity which is what motivational seminars sell along with religion 

Edited November 1 by Tanz

[Schizophonia]

9 hours ago, Tanz said:

He's useful but basically a more spiritual version of Tony Robbins. He focuses too much on the placebo affect and doesn't go deeper on the why or the how 

He chooses his angle because it makes the most money. His followers would never accept the truth because they are only interested to get out of scarcity which is what motivational seminars sell along with religion 

He admitted on his books and here and there that the “dualist rationalisation” (placebo effect, quantum field in a lesser extent etc) is a strategy to manage and avoid scaring away too sceptical people.

He sometimes says explicitly that he is a god and his works fundamentally consists to becoming conscious enough to change reality.

Edited November 1 by Schizophonia