One of my highest realisations

[Breakingthewall]

On 27/10/2024 at 11:49 PM, PurpleTree said:

That sounds silly. Why do you have to be happy? Why can’t you be sad, anxious or angry?

Obvious, from an absolute perspective it's exactly the same, there is nothing special being sad or happy. The difference is relative, it's like saying that it's better to be rich than poor. It's better relatively. Maybe sadhguru thinks that rich people go to heaven and poor people to hell 😅

[Javfly33]

2 hours ago, PurpleTree said:

Seems like you don’t want to wake up and prefer the dream.

(well there is no chooser anyway)

I know it’s scary bro, relax.

(nobody who could relax or not already)

it‘s hopeless baby

To the contrary. I Will exit the body and end limitation soon. 

Shamabhi mahamudra Kriya is at that pitch of possibility within me. No need to wait for end of body battery. I Will set the time myself. 

 

2 hours ago, PurpleTree said:

 

it‘s hopeless baby

The devil Will always deny Light.

Bad news for you since at Im a point of utter most clarity on what i Am. 

[PurpleTree]

1 hour ago, Javfly33 said:

To the contrary. I Will exit the body and end limitation soon. 

Shamabhi mahamudra Kriya is at that pitch of possibility within me. No need to wait for end of body battery. I Will set the time myself. 

 

The devil Will always deny Light.

Bad news for you since at Im a point of utter most clarity on what i Am. 

Ok good luck on your "path" 💜

[Will1125]

You don't get the notion of perfection.

I had this realisation on 5meo DMT, reality is perfect as it is, it has always been and it will always be. 

 

 

[Breakingthewall]

5 minutes ago, Will1125 said:

You don't get the notion of perfection.

I had this realisation on 5meo DMT, reality is perfect as it is, it has always been and it will always be. 

 

 

You don't need to do psychedelic, everything that exists is perfect because reality is infinite, then anything that exists is coordinated to infinity. A depressive though is infinite perfection, like anything else. It doesn't mean that I like it, but that I don't like is a mental structure that is infinite perfection. 

[Will1125]

2 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

You don't need to do psychedelic, everything that exists is perfect because reality is infinite, then anything that exists is coordinated to infinity. A depressive though is infinite perfection, like anything else. It doesn't mean that I like it, but that I don't like is a mental structure that is infinite perfection. 

Perfect is a poor word to describe this feeling. Felt like the best word to use but still not enough to truly describe what I meant there. I was only able to feel that on 5meo.

Sometimes if feels like words are not enough to describe some feelings.

Yes I use feel a lot but its all about feeling it lol

[PurpleTree]

6 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Obvious, from an absolute perspective it's exactly the same, there is nothing special being sad or happy. The difference is relative, it's like saying that it's better to be rich than poor. It's better relatively. Maybe sadhguru thinks that rich people go to heaven and poor people to hell 😅

Also sounds a bit like repression 

"i just want to be happy"

Also sadness can be quite an interesting feeling i wouldn’t want to miss it. (not talking about depression just regular sadness)

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, PurpleTree said:

Also sounds a bit like repression 

"i just want to be happy"

Yeah, It sounds like the typical spirituality of: I'm afraid of life so I isolate myself in my spiritual bubble and castrate myself.

[gettoefl]

3 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Yeah, It sounds like the typical spirituality of: I'm afraid of life so I isolate myself in my spiritual bubble and castrate myself.

Just some semantic distinctions:

Sacrifice indulgence. happiness sadness, samsara nirvana, pain pleasure etc are fleeting experiential dream states

The unlimited state is peace joy love - sat chit ananda - truth existence oneness

[Breakingthewall]

17 minutes ago, gettoefl said:

Just some semantic distinctions:

Sacrifice indulgence. happiness sadness, samsara nirvana, pain pleasure etc are fleeting experiential dream states

The unlimited state is peace joy love - sat chit ananda - truth existence oneness

Yes but there is also the limited state, that's human life. You can deny it and become a monk or you can be involved in the human thing. For me becoming a monk has a component of deep hypocrisy, because they live of the human suffering isolated in a bubble. 

For their monastery to exist, generations of humans have fought and suffered, worked hard, raised children, created technologies, fought in wars, so that they can sit comfortably meditating saying that human life is despicable, eating free food and sleeping in free beds  and being protected from the savagery of life in a free way.

Edited October 30 by Breakingthewall

[PurpleTree]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

Yeah, It sounds like the typical spirituality of: I'm afraid of life so I isolate myself in my spiritual bubble and castrate myself.

Yea seemingly us humans are just always looking for ways to get out of suffering. Which is understandable and innocent. But it’s often disfunctional like with drug addiction for example. In the beginning it seems to work to numb feelings, traumas etc. but then it just gets much worse than it ever was. And causes much suffering for self and others.

[Breakingthewall]

11 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Yea seemingly us humans are just always looking for ways to get out of suffering. Which is understandable and innocent. But it’s often disfunctional like with drug addiction for example. In the beginning it seems to work to numb feelings, traumas etc. but then it just gets much worse than it ever was. And causes much suffering for self and others.

Yes, human suffering is intimidating, and it is normal to try to escape from it, but I believe that doing so is a negative approach that leads nowhere. It seems like Buddhism is like that right? seek the end of suffering, stop reincarnations. It's an escape, it can't work.

The approach that works is the positive one, opening to what you are, whatever that is and whether it entails suffering or not. open to reality, without fear or expectations, just for the fact that it is reality

[PurpleTree]

1 minute ago, Breakingthewall said:

Yes, human suffering is intimidating, and it is normal to try to escape from it, but I believe that doing so is a negative approach that leads nowhere. It seems like Buddhism is like that right? seek the end of suffering, stop reincarnations. It's an escape, it can't work.

The approach that works is the positive one, opening to what you are, whatever that is and whether it entails suffering or not. open to reality, without fear or expectations, just for the fact that it is reality

I mean i don’t know enough about Buddhism. Didn’t Buddha in the story suffer a lot under the bodhi tree? Attacked from demons or whatever.

[Breakingthewall]

6 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

I mean i don’t know enough about Buddhism. Didn’t Buddha in the story suffer a lot under the bodhi tree? Attacked from demons or whatever.

I don't know a lot neither, I just read many times that Buddha used to say that the goal is the end of dukka or suffering, and the end of the whell of reincarnations, because relative existence is dukka, a shit. 

Edited October 30 by Breakingthewall

[gettoefl]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

Yes but there is also the limited state, that's human life. You can deny it and become a monk or you can be involved in the human thing. For me becoming a monk has a component of deep hypocrisy, because they live of the human suffering isolated in a bubble. 

For their monastery to exist, generations of humans have fought and suffered, worked hard, raised children, created technologies, fought in wars, so that they can sit comfortably meditating saying that human life is despicable, eating free food and sleeping in free beds  and being protected from the savagery of life in a free way.

Everyone is a blood sucking parasitic maggot. 

Everyone is the absolute made manifest.

Be what you will in this one brief gift of an incarnation

but look on everyone as another chance to see god in action

and as a light-filled reminder of your true nature and ultimate destiny

 

Edited October 30 by gettoefl

[Breakingthewall]

53 minutes ago, gettoefl said:

Everyone is a blood sucking parasitic maggot. 

Everyone is the absolute made manifest.

Well, you could try to give your best and that includes being grateful for the human effort that keeps you alive. Human world may be selfish, mean, dirty or whatever, but it keeps you alive, it is true that you have not chosen to belong to this mud called humanity, but here you are. 

Anyway, I say that but really I think that human society in unbearable 🤣. Who cares about being alive? Better be free short time than prisoner 90 years

Edited October 30 by Breakingthewall

[gettoefl]

35 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Well, you could try to give your best and that includes being grateful for the human effort that keeps you alive. Human world may be selfish, mean, dirty or whatever, but it keeps you alive, it is true that you have not chosen to belong to this mud called humanity, but here you are. 

Anyway, I say that but really I think that human society in unbeatable 🤣. Who cares about being alive? Better be free short time than prisoner 90 years

Was trying to say that you are no different from them

Be compassionate as you look on their muddled thinking

and be grateful that you can look down from a lofty mountain peak

[Breakingthewall]

8 minutes ago, gettoefl said:

Was trying to say that you are no different from them

Be compassionate as you look on their muddled thinking

and be grateful that you can look down from a lofty mountain peak

I don't compare myself with the people, I just try to have the best time possible and really I need the people, I can't live alone, without women, friends, it's sad. Also I like the money . Then, let's dance as good as it's possible. It's not easy, of course 

Edited October 30 by Breakingthewall