How to become Infinite

[gettoefl]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

@gettoefl  

Thanks for appreciating. If the logical mind contemplates the implications of the absence of limits long enough, the conclusion is inevitable. Do not underestimate the power of the mind, it is the mind that creates time and movement and that closes, if the mind truly understands that time and movement are relative, it understands that everything it perceives is relative and can open to its absolute nature. It is not something let's say mystical, it is inevitable, inescapable, real, simply the reality.

Yes these are some banging pointers. Limits are simply the belief that you are confined to a body, bound by its physical boundaries and constraints, which restricts your awareness from extending beyond it. This perception of limitation creates the illusion of separation and the duality that fuels all conflict, fear, and chaos. In truth, this is an error - a mistaken identification with an imaginary self, bound by personal interests and isolated from others.

To overcome this illusion, shift your focus from self-interest to a vision of unity and abundance. Recognize that your true essence is not confined to the body or personal identity; rather, it is limitless, expansive, and part of a collective awareness. Aligning with this truth allows the healing of blockages and illusions that obscure your deeper nature. As these blocks dissolve, you open to the boundless substance beneath the surface, the formless essence that you truly are.

This journey toward unity is both the path and the goal. By remembering your oneness with all, you transcend the limits imposed by the body, allowing you to awaken to the awareness of your true nature - unchanging, eternal, and whole. Here, you no longer seek or strive; you simply are. This realization is the end of the illusion and the recognition of your inherent freedom and peace.

Edited October 28 by gettoefl

[Princess Arabia]

21 minutes ago, gettoefl said:

Yes these are some banging pointers. Limits are simply the belief that you are confined to a body, bound by its physical boundaries and constraints, which restricts your awareness from extending beyond it. This perception of limitation creates the illusion of separation and the duality that fuels all conflict, fear, and chaos. In truth, this is an error - a mistaken identification with an imaginary self, bound by personal interests and isolated from others.

To overcome this illusion, shift your focus from self-interest to a vision of unity and abundance. Recognize that your true essence is not confined to the body or personal identity; rather, it is limitless, expansive, and part of a collective awareness. Aligning with this truth allows the healing of blockages and illusions that obscure your deeper nature. As these blocks dissolve, you open to the boundless substance beneath the surface, the formless essence that you truly are.

This journey toward unity is both the path and the goal. By remembering your oneness with all, you transcend the limits imposed by the body, allowing you to awaken to the awareness of your true nature - unchanging, eternal, and whole. Here, you no longer seek or strive; you simply are. This realization is the end of the illusion and the recognition of your inherent freedom and peace.

❤️

[Breakingthewall]

@gettoefl  

1 hour ago, gettoefl said:

Yes these are some banging pointers. Limits are simply the belief that you are confined to a body, bound by its physical boundaries and constraints, which restricts your awareness from extending beyond it. This perception of limitation creates the illusion of separation and the duality that fuels all conflict, fear, and chaos. In truth, this is an error - a mistaken identification with an imaginary self, bound by personal interests and isolated from others.

To overcome this illusion, shift your focus from self-interest to a vision of unity and abundance. Recognize that your true essence is not confined to the body or personal identity; rather, it is limitless, expansive, and part of a collective awareness. Aligning with this truth allows the healing of blockages and illusions that obscure your deeper nature. As these blocks dissolve, you open to the boundless substance beneath the surface, the formless essence that you truly are.

This journey toward unity is both the path and the goal. By remembering your oneness with all, you transcend the limits imposed by the body, allowing you to awaken to the awareness of your true nature - unchanging, eternal, and whole. Here, you no longer seek or strive; you simply are. This realization is the end of the illusion and the recognition of your inherent freedom and peace.

I don't see it that way, because from a relative perspective you are really separate. You have to eat to live, and to do that you have to kill other beings that want to live, that's how it works, you can't mix the relative and the absolute, if you do you find front yourself in wall all the time, since you're fooling yourself.

From an absolute perspective everything is the same, from a relative perspective it is not. Relative perspective is not false or illusory, it is relative. If you really want to open yourself to the absolute perspective you have to understand that from the absolute perspective Hitler is the same as Jesus Christ, but from the relative perspective it is different. 

1 hour ago, gettoefl said:

This journey toward unity is both the path and the goal. By remembering your oneness with all, you transcend the limits imposed by the body

How could you trascend the limits imposed by the body? And why would want you to do that? It's deny the body because you don't like how the relative works, and that is ego. It's unrealistic, your body steal space to other bodies, to plants, animals, etc. the only way to trascend the body is kill yourself.

[gettoefl]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

@gettoefl  

I don't see it that way, because from a relative perspective you are really separate. You have to eat to live, and to do that you have to kill other beings that want to live, that's how it works, you can't mix the relative and the absolute, if you do you find front yourself in wall all the time, since you're fooling yourself.

I will concur and say you have to do the most you can while apparently a relative being. All the while be normal be ordinary and be sensible. Then the absolute will take the reins on your behalf. What your role is, is to see the meaninglessness, the unimportance, the unsatisfactoriness of this ill-conceived and unfruitful realm. And thereby arrive to openness beyond it. This is characterised by joy and elation and fulness of light. Just shine and share this as long as the whole deigns fit.

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From an absolute perspective everything is the same, from a relative perspective it is not. Relative perspective is not false or illusory, it is relative. If you really want to open yourself to the absolute perspective you have to understand that from the absolute perspective Hitler is the same as Jesus Christ, but from the relative perspective it is different. 

How could you trascend the limits imposed by the body? And why would want you to do that? It's deny the body because you don't like how the relative works, and that is ego. It's unrealistic, your body steal space to other bodies, to plants, animals, etc. the only way to trascend the body is kill yourself.

I would say that embracing an absolute perspective in no way means we will justify harm or downplay destructive actions. Instead, it means recognizing that beyond behaviour, everyone is part of the same unchanging essence. The transient relative blinds us to reality because it’s focused on forms, labels, and judgments. When aligned with the absolute, we see beyond any surface distinctions and experience the oneness that underlies all differences, bringing unconditional compassion and understanding that holds true for all.

Edited October 28 by gettoefl

[PurpleTree]

There‘s no you to become anything.

(seemingly and maybe)

[Breakingthewall]

59 minutes ago, gettoefl said:

The transient relative blinds us to reality because it’s focused on forms, labels, and judgments

There are deeper ways to live the relative. anything relative is made of the substance of the absolute, and the relative path is deep, full of facets and connections. Saying that relative is negative is a mistake, since it exists and you can feel its beauty and fullness at every moment. It is the ego that sees negativity and lack, being human it is very difficult not to see it, if you were an animal in the jungle or a fish in the ocean you would be relative but without ego.

We have an ego, but the ego is also a living being full of nuances and depth, capable of connecting deeply with other beings, because the ego is made of the same substance than everything else

Edited October 28 by Breakingthewall

[gettoefl]

16 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

There are deeper ways to live the relative. anything relative is made of the substance of the absolute, and the relative path is deep, full of facets and connections. Saying that relative is negative is a mistake, since it exists and you can feel its beauty and fullness at every moment. It is the ego that sees negativity and lack, being human it is very difficult not to see it, if you were an animal in the jungle or a fish in the ocean you would be relative but without ego.

We have an ego, but the ego is also a living being full of nuances and depth, capable of connecting deeply with other beings, because the ego is made of the same substance than everything else

The ego is conflicted, inconsistent, dysfunctional, hell-bent on lies and unable to understand or question. The absolute meanwhile is the realm of love, and innocence, grandeur and fulfilment.

We are designed for greatness.

We tried to get away from what we are but it was always a non-starter.

This here is not happening and never could.

Edited October 28 by gettoefl

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, gettoefl said:

The ego is conflicted, inconsistent, dysfunctional, hell-bent on lies and unable to understand or question. The absolute meanwhile is the realm of love, and innocence, grandeur and fulfilment.

You are missing that the relative is the absolute, and the ego also. The point of spirituality is open yourself to the absolute, then see the absolute in the relative. Anything bad that you see in the relative is relative to you, then it's your ego who project those qualities in the ego. The challenge is realizing the absolute in the ego, the ego is divine, because it's made of the substance of the reality. Just see the substance, not the form. Difficult? Of course, extremely. Impossible? Never. 

[gettoefl]

25 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

You are missing that the relative is the absolute, and the ego also. The point of spirituality is open yourself to the absolute, then see the absolute in the relative. Anything bad that you see in the relative is relative to you, then it's your ego who project those qualities in the ego. The challenge is realizing the absolute in the ego, the ego is divine, because it's made of the substance of the reality. Just see the substance, not the form. Difficult? Of course, extremely. Impossible? Never. 

While I see that ego does reflect aspects of the absolute in its essence, it also acts as a filter that impedes pure awareness with experience of separation, deception, and violence.

To recognise the absolute means looking beyond the ego's illusions to align with the unchanging essence behind it. This essence is shared by all, and seeing this allows us to experience an enduring, unifying presence within all interactions. Therefore the challenge ISN'T to see the absolute within the relative, but rather in not getting lost in the ego’s projections, which distort perception. Through this inner clarity the absolute can become unmistakably visible in the relative world.

Edited October 28 by gettoefl

[Ishanga]

The Ego is just a survival tool, its neither good or bad, it just being unconscious too it is bad in a sense.. The Ego comes to give one a sense of Individuality, if You had no sense of Individuality you wouldn't survive very long and our species would not have lived long at all, since we are so weak in the natural world, so Ego gives a sense of Individuality and hence the feeling of insecurity and aloneness, which provides one with a great need and instinct to Survive another day, combine that with our vastly superior Intellect, and we go from Cave Man to dominating the Planet and maybe outside this planet.

Today with all our tech and survival knowing, we can subdue the ego big time, but we don't it just switched its attention to other pursuits that involve gathering as well, fame, success, power, control, etc,.. its a false sense of individual self, which can be transcended to a higher sense of Self which is All Inclusive..

Edited October 28 by Ishanga

[Breakingthewall]

2 minutes ago, gettoefl said:

While I see that ego does reflect aspects of the absolute in its essence, it also acts as a filter that impedes pure awareness with experience of separation, judgment, and violence.

 

The ego feels like shit, obviously, everyone is unhappy. this is a reality. Human dynamics are extremely complicated. a true enigma full of shit, selfishness and falsehood layer after layer. And very boring, superficial and frustrating, same than your life if you don't fight hard against it, that's the inertia of the humans. but it is what it is, and it is reality. If human dynamics were wonderful we wouldn't be talking about it. But you have to penetrate the psyche, open yourself to others and look for openness, truth, direct connection. It's obviously not easy, first you have to purify yourself from shit. This is more difficult that it seems. 

[Yimpa]

Just now, Breakingthewall said:

The ego feels like shit, obviously, everyone is unhappy. this is a reality. Human dynamics are extremely complicated. a true enigma full of shit, selfishness and falsehood layer after layer. And very boring, superficial and frustrating, same than your life if you don't fight hard against it, that's the inertia of the humans. but it is what it is, and it is reality. If human dynamics were wonderful we wouldn't be talking about it. But you have to penetrate the psyche, open yourself to others and look for openness, truth, direct connection. It's obviously not easy, first you have to purify yourself from shit. This is more difficult that it seems. 

Be careful with brown pill ideology. 

[Breakingthewall]

18 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

ego big time, but we don't it just switched its attention to other pursuits that involve gathering as well, fame, success, power, control, etc,.. its a false sense of individual self, which can be transcended to a higher sense of Self which is All Inclusive..

Really most of people are not thinking in fame, power and that. Usually people is trying to be happy, find love and have a good life. The problem is not their intention, it's the reality, and their inner configuration 

As you have rightly said, we are natural beings. we have created the social contract by survival. We complain that the ego is unpleasant and boring, but recently the ego was tribal wars, slavery, total submission of women and extreme violence. I guess it wouldn't be much fun either.

Seems that the path is going in the right direction, but let's see, it's a slow evolution 

 

Edited October 28 by Breakingthewall

[Breakingthewall]

30 minutes ago, Yimpa said:

Be careful with brown pill ideology. 

Brown like shit you mean? It's more brown / black. Dark chocolate. Shit to spread. Sad people without hope working as slaves who are going to get old to be desperate in a hospital terrified of death. Party! Hallelujah! Let's reincarnate in Afghanistan! 🤣 Or in any place, in Europe. Most of people is crazy, in the way of the depression. Grabbing lies and deceiving themselves to never look at the face of their reality. If you manage to have one real relationship of loyalty and love in your life, you are very lucky. Usually what is common is using the others, even in the families. It's what the society is about 

This is the form, but the essence, the substance, is the divinity of reality. It's not easy to see the divinity in the human society at all

 

Edited October 28 by Breakingthewall

[Javfly33]

8 hours ago, Yimpa said:

Be careful with brown pill ideology. 

What the heck is brown pill ideology? @Yimpa

7 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Really most of people are not thinking in fame, power and that. Usually people is trying to be happy, find love and have a good life. The problem is not their intention, it's the reality, and their inner configuration 

 

Yeah, the issue imo is that the focus to get those things is in material achievements, since within (as an ego) there is lack, the lack is tried to to be filled with outside transactions.

They work momentarily and always with an opposite price to pay, so in a way, we could say humanity is in a constant act of getting into "debt" of well being. 

When you can pay for your own satisfaction, you are free of debt. But when you have to do 'transactions' with an external agent to get that satisfaction, you get into debt. It works exactly as the economic world.

 

"I do this job to feel meaningful" --> I pay the debt of being a slave to this job.

"I am with this person to feel complete" --> I pay the debt of being a slave to this person (not literally, but let say you enter a certain 'transaction game') etc.

 

So the key or solution I see is in the acceptance of that only from within can come the final satisfaction. 

But this probably will come from awareness, and for enough awareness to happen it needs hitting your face against the wall enough times until we realize how things work. 

 

@Ishanga

For example, shamavhi mahamudra kriya is a way to not get in any kind of 'debt' with the world.

Edited October 29 by Javfly33

[Breakingthewall]

2 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

I do this job to feel meaningful" --> I pay the debt of being a slave to this job.

You have to work because you have to contribute to the society, that gives you a lot, then better do a work that you love. That's difficult, you have to fight for it, be smart. 

2 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

am with this person to feel complete" --> I pay the debt of being a slave to this person (not literally, but let say you enter a certain 'transaction game') etc.

You are a social being, you need social relationships. Better find real relationship, with true loyalty and love. That's very difficult, you have to be very smart again, because the norm is people using each other. And at for that you have to give yourself to the others, not using them. Again it's not easy 

You also could stay at home meditating and fooling yourself thinking that you are out of the sistem when you live in a house and eat food who came from the other side of the world and wear clothes that other people do with their work, and using internet as a social succedaneum. 

Or you could go to a cave like in old times and be alone there with nothing, really out of the world, but almost no one does that

Edited October 29 by Breakingthewall

[gettoefl]

11 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

The ego feels like shit, obviously, everyone is unhappy. this is a reality. Human dynamics are extremely complicated. a true enigma full of shit, selfishness and falsehood layer after layer. And very boring, superficial and frustrating, same than your life if you don't fight hard against it, that's the inertia of the humans. but it is what it is, and it is reality. If human dynamics were wonderful we wouldn't be talking about it. But you have to penetrate the psyche, open yourself to others and look for openness, truth, direct connection. It's obviously not easy, first you have to purify yourself from shit. This is more difficult that it seems. 

Yes. And it's a choice. The only true free will there is. A rubbish existence or a ravishing one. Should I return to my palace or stay in this mud hut. When one returns, one realizes it was all a drunken idea that was corrected as soon as it was entertained. Time and space seem so fixed and solid but they are just stubborn remnants of madness. Nobody will choose the moment they remember what they are doing. Most who have lived don't realize they have this choice. Spirituality is being a light unto yourself. Religion is being the light of the world.

[Javfly33]

2 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

You have to work because you have to contribute to the society, that gives you a lot, then better do a work that you love. That's difficult, you have to fight for it, be smart. 

I don´t mean it in that way, I mean it in the way people will make a purpose out of their jobs because if they are jobless or not making enough money they feel they are not 'enough'.

For example, the lawyer that wants to make 100K instead of 80k because he compares itself to other lawyers.

He really does not need those 20K more, but his ego gets a certain satisfaction/dopamine, and also buys him certain higuer position in the society which will allow him to do certain stuff which again will give him a bit of fullfillment.

And the wheel keeps going...and the more money the more competitive (with the implications that has) he will have to be...all to seek that internal fullfillment.

 

The reality is most of the economic world is as exploitative as it is because humans are using the world as a way to fullfill themselves internally. 

Using the external world to feel within certain things or satisfaction has serious implications.

More entangled transactions ---> more karmic price to pay. 

You have been warned.

 

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You are a social being, you need social relationships. Better find real relationship, with true loyalty and love. That's very difficult, you have to be very smart again, because the norm is people using each other. And at for that you have to give yourself to the others, not using them. Again it's not easy 

I don´t need any relationship. I am not a beggar of Love, if within things are working properly, people naturally come to me. If they don´t come, it doesn´t matter because if within I have all Universe in me you think I will be a beggar of anyone or any relationship? 😂

Edited October 29 by Javfly33

[PurpleTree]

2 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

 

More entangled transactions ---> more karmic price to pay. 

I warned you guys 👍

That sounds just like another fairy tail bedtime story.

[Breakingthewall]

4 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

don´t need any relationship. I am not a beggar of Love, if within things are working properly, people naturally come to me. If they don´t come, it doesn´t matter because if within I have all Universe in me you think I will be a beggar of anyone or any relationship? 😂

Without true friendship you are alone, and being alone means that if you broke your two legs you are fucked. Humans are social beings, don't construct solid relationship is a mistake imo. Imo It's important to have relationship where you know that you are going to be selfless in case of trouble and the others too. 

6 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

So...we need to set the limit to what we consider survival. If we keep raising the bar (You have to make X money, you have to have X experiences, you have to travel to X places, you have to have X amount of sex, ...etc) then this will become even more dystopian. 

For me it's simply do things that I like, I can't do things that I don't like. I don't care about standards, but I care a lot about wasting my time is something that motivates me