How to become Infinite

[Keryo Koffa]

15 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

It doesn't work. I ve done 5meo a lot, hundreds of times . there is always a deception in it. I think it's because it's forced. It's very subtle, but the self is still there , even vaping 30 mg. You are open but the self is still there, disguised by god, or by anything. I always had that intuition, something was....let's say impure, not absolutely clear. It's a great help to force yourself to the openess, but at the end you have to do sober

Well, it could be because your very body is calcified energy, hmm...

[Breakingthewall]

1 minute ago, Keryo Koffa said:

Well, it could be because your very body is calcified energy, hmm...

No, it's because you are not ready to let go the self. That's why Leo can do 1000 times 5 meo and he says: you are god dreaming the reality for love. Because he open himself to the unlimited but the self is still there. No drug can dissolve the self, it's absolutely impossible. Only the self can be ready for dropping itself in the nothingness. Usually the self is going to use any trick to preserve itself, becoming god or anything else

[Keryo Koffa]

1 minute ago, Breakingthewall said:

No, it's because you are not ready to let go the self. That's why Leo can do 1000 times 5 meo and he says: you are god dreaming the reality for love. Because he open himself to the unlimited but the self is still there. No drug can dissolve the self, it's absolutely impossible. Only the self can be ready for dropping itself in the nothingness. Usually the self is going to use any trick to preserve itself, becoming god or anything else

I wonder what the conditions for dropping are.

[Breakingthewall]

7 minutes ago, Keryo Koffa said:

I wonder what the conditions for dropping are.

First you have to want it, it's something let's say vocational. It's like you unconsciously remember freedom and want to be free again. You don't want to know things, you want freedom. then you instinctively look for it. total freedom of being is what it has always been.

There are children who, by nature, genetics, karma, have a less dense ego, are more free, are open to the true nature of reality, others are more comfortable with the limits. Imo there are characteristics such as honesty, connection with other beings and the desire for danger, which manifest an open character. If you are like this you will never be happy within a system, you cannot adapt, you must chart your own path and unless you truly dissolve the self you will suffer. Then little by little you will see what you have to do. It's something absolutely real, is the transcendence of the psyche and the opening to the real thing. 

It is not so much achieving something as returning to something, to your true nature, which is out of the time. If you are smart you will realize what closes, many things in the human mind do, the desire to know, to be more, to elevate, to understand the essence of reality. You can understand your own mind so that it stops being an obstacle, but you cannot understand the absolute because understanding is an emergence, the same as anything else, it means absolutely nothing. You have to understand that nothing means anything from an absolute perspective, it is totally counterintuitive, the absolute requires total simplicity, absence of psyche. That's why it's difficult, it's like a labyrinth with a lot of dead ends. 

[Davino]

58 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

It doesn't work. I ve done 5meo a lot, hundreds of times . there is always a deception in it. I think it's because it's forced. It's very subtle, but the self is still there , even vaping 30 mg. You are open but the self is still there, disguised by god, or by anything. I always had that intuition, something was....let's say impure, not absolutely clear. It's a great help to force yourself to the openess, but at the end you have to do sober

No methodology is perfect

Yet you can say which one is the best

My claim is on effectiveness of methods not on perfection

I'm happy to know which method you find more effective for realizing Infinity. Please I'm eager, you know I would do it

Edited October 27 by Davino

[Ishanga]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

Really you made me angry haha. I try to do my best explaining something real. Maybe I wasn't polite talking about sadhguru, really I see the falsehood in him, I can't avoid. I shouldn't be so aggressive describing him, but anyway, who cares? I thought for a moment that you understood and that you was enough noble to admit it even I talked bad about sadhguru, that would mean that you are above of the personal and you are focused in the truth. Vain hopes, anyway, it's stupid getting angry chatting here. I'm done with you , you are of the team a against the team b, then no communication is possible except worship together sadhguru 😅. Bye

Ask Yourself Why? Self Inquiry, why would anything I say to You, or believe in, or follow make You angry? Its just a forum, with ppl posting questions and answers, why does it bother You...

I thought You were the One that Knew, are in the Knowing, based on posting stats and the amount of sharing you do here, with what seems like authentic knowledge??

Its not about Me, its about You!

Edited October 27 by Ishanga

[Davino]

12 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

why would anything I say to You, or believe in, or follow make You angry? Its just a forum, with ppl posting questions and answers, why does it bother You...

Maybe because we cAn fEeL ?

[Princess Arabia]

32 minutes ago, Davino said:

I'm happy to know which method you find more effective for realizing Infinity.

This forum....look👀it's Infinite. The internet 👀 look it's Infinite. These discussions 👀they're Infinitely Infinite. Don't need a substance to see Infinity at work, it's right here, right now.

[Ishanga]

8 minutes ago, Davino said:

Maybe because we cAn fEeL ?

Of course, which is good that we can:)
But he says he knows, is in the experience of Absolute and all these things, then why be a slave to what I say or believe or follow? Why feel Anger? Is that healthy?

Edited October 27 by Ishanga

[Princess Arabia]

19 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

I thought You were the One that Knew, are in the Knowing, based on posting stats and the amount of sharing you do here,

The mind always comparing notes. Tcht, shame on you, don't you know we're all in our own world's and paying attention to someone's stats is like you peeping at the neighbors and gossiping to the other neighbors. Look, he's got more posts than you. No way, I'll have to work on my game. Hehe...just messing around.

 

[Ishanga]

Just now, Princess Arabia said:

The mind always comparing notes. Tcht, shame on you, don't you know we're all in our own world's and paying attention to someone's stats is like you peeping at the neighbors and gossiping to the other neighbors. Look, he's got more posts than you. No way, I'll have to work on my game. Hehe...just messing around.

 

Just trying to help that is all really? We all live here, might as well help in a way that is pleasant than unpleasant right?

[Breakingthewall]

38 minutes ago, Davino said:

I'm happy to know which method you find more effective for realizing Infinity. Please I'm eager, you know I would do it

I didn't say that 5meo isn't useful, what I said is that saying that 5meo is going to dissolve your self is wrong, could help but it's not like a magic pill. For me was absolutely useful, but the only real method is your intuition and your desire of freedom. Your mental structure has to be ready for that, and as we built a very complex mental structure due our conditioning, the work isn't easy at all. 

[Breakingthewall]

26 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

Ask Yourself Why? Self Inquiry, why would anything I say to You, or believe in, or follow make You angry? Its just a forum, with ppl posting questions and answers, why does it bother You...

Just because passive aggressive comment make me angry if before I thought that you were authentic in your comment and we understood each other, what to? I'm very imperfect, not equanimity, emotional, impulsive, all that. 

28 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

thought You were the One that Knew, are in the Knowing, based on posting stats and the amount of sharing you do here, with what seems like authentic knowledge??

Its not about Me, its about You!

I have quite natural deep understanding, don't you think? what to do? It's my doom 🤣. But if I share understanding it's because I want that people like you or javfly tell me: that's wrong, who is who understands? Etc, then try to answer. But it's quite annoying if you say: you are thinking too much, you are walking in circles, just to put down what I said without any single argument to debate. 

[Javfly33]

2 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

it's not that the unlimited being realizes it, the unlimited being don't need to realize anything, it's always , you could be open to it, but still you are you, a human, who sees what is the nature of reality and sees it's nature as relative transitory form, irrelevant in comparison with the substance 

interesting. So both can exist at the same time, mhhh 

[Javfly33]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

No, it's because you are not ready to let go the self. That's why Leo can do 1000 times 5 meo and he says: you are god dreaming the reality for love. Because he open himself to the unlimited but the self is still there. No drug can dissolve the self, it's absolutely impossible. Only the self can be ready for dropping itself in the nothingness. Usually the self is going to use any trick to preserve itself, becoming god or anything else

 

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

First you have to want it, it's something let's say vocational. It's like you unconsciously remember freedom and want to be free again. You don't want to know things, you want freedom. then you instinctively look for it. total freedom of being is what it has always been.

 

100% agree 

[Davino]

1 hour ago, Princess Arabia said:

This forum....look👀it's Infinite. The internet 👀 look it's Infinite. These discussions 👀they're Infinitely Infinite. Don't need a substance to see Infinity at work, it's right here, right now.

Good one

I see Infinity at work

I see finity/limitation at work also

What I was pointing to is: Infinite Infinity 

Your methodology unites trascendental and relative, yet doesn't bring to actuality Absolute Infinity. Consciousness must become Infinite, that's the bar

[Davino]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

I didn't say that 5meo isn't useful, what I said is that saying that 5meo is going to dissolve your self is wrong, could help but it's not like a magic pill. For me was absolutely useful, but the only real method is your intuition and your desire of freedom.

A tool in the toolbox

The only true ego killer for me is Salvia. At least a percentage of people on it seem to experience total death. Maybe that can help you now.

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Your mental structure has to be ready for that, and as we built a very complex mental structure due our conditioning, the work isn't easy at all. 

Spot on

[Breakingthewall]

51 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

interesting. So both can exist at the same time, mhhh 

There are two faces of the same thing. The form and the substance. The extremely difficult and and counterintuitive is that what you really are is substance, and substance is unlimited being. The form that this substance takes is a structure that understands at a given moment that it is the substance, but conceptually. The substance understand it totally, because being is understanding.  

the understanding that arises from the form is an emergency that really means absolutely nothing. It means something relatively to this concrete form that is going to disappear. If this form were an ant, this understanding would mean absolutely nothing. Actually the ant and the human are at the same level of understanding. At an absolute level they are omniscient since they exist and that is all that can be known. On a relative level, the ant understands how to make an anthill and humans understand many other things, which compared to infinity are zero.

Enlightenment is the total opening to absolute understanding, to existence. It is not a conceptual understanding, it is the realization of something obvious that is not seen because the structure of the self veils it, but that is perceived with absolute clarity if this structure is, let's say, opened. It is existence outside of time, without form, which always is. It has no dimension or characteristics but it is everything. Over all it's you. You are that, it's totally obvious. You knew that when you were a fetus, an ant know it, an atom, everything. "Know" in the sense of being. Do you remember when you were 2 years old? You totally knew that you are, the existence knows that exists, it's not conceptual or mental, it's the very fact of being . 

[gettoefl]

37 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

There are two faces of the same thing. The form and the substance. The extremely difficult and and counterintuitive is that what you really are is substance, and substance is unlimited being. The form that this substance takes is a structure that understands at a given moment that it is the substance, but conceptually. The substance understand it totally, because being is understanding.  

the understanding that arises from the form is an emergency that really means absolutely nothing. It means something relatively to this concrete form that is going to disappear. If this form were an ant, this understanding would mean absolutely nothing. Actually the ant and the human are at the same level of understanding. At an absolute level they are omniscient since they exist and that is all that can be known. On a relative level, the ant understands how to make an anthill and humans understand many other things, which compared to infinity are zero.

Enlightenment is the total opening to absolute understanding, to existence. It is not a conceptual understanding, it is the realization of something obvious that is not seen because the structure of the self veils it, but that is perceived with absolute clarity if this structure is, let's say, opened. It is existence outside of time, without form, which always is. It has no dimension or characteristics but it is everything. Over all it's you. You are that, it's totally obvious. You knew that when you were a fetus, an ant know it, an atom, everything. "Know" in the sense of being. Do you remember when you were 2 years old? You totally knew that you are, the existence knows that exists, it's not conceptual or mental, it's the very fact of being . 

Absolutely correct. This is knowledge. It is arrived at by undoing all the knowing one thinks one has. Like you say, relative knowing is meaningless and will trick you that you understand what is going on. Finite understanding is a game of futility. Emptying and being and seeing are what work. Nothing can be more simple, more obvious, more perfect.

Well done on your extraordinary articulation in this thread. Every letter and phrase resonates to the bone. Thank you. 

Edited October 27 by gettoefl

[Breakingthewall]

@gettoefl  

Thanks for appreciating. If the logical mind contemplates the implications of the absence of limits long enough, the conclusion is inevitable. Do not underestimate the power of the mind, it is the mind that creates time and movement and that closes, if the mind truly understands that time and movement are relative, it understands that everything it perceives is relative and can open to its absolute nature. It is not something let's say mystical, it is inevitable, inescapable, real, simply the reality.