leo's blog post on pick up.

[Majed]

what's paradoxical is that leo teaches pick up then says that pick up is corruption. i mean what's the alternative to pick up ? even with pick up it is still hard to get laid, should you just abandon and resign to watching porn while jerking off? or should you confine to a 5 out of 10 wife for your whole life ? 

i don't understand why it will harm women to have sex with attractive pick up artists, then again you can be pick up in a healthy way and in a toxic way. 

i mean to be fair you're not telling the girl you're picking up that she's the 6500 approaches of yours, and the fifteenth approach of the night, so with that said pick up is basically creating a fiction for the girl that you're this natural attractive guy when you had to sociopathically treat women as numbers to build up your skill set. but the issue is deeper i mean don't businesses treat customers as numbers ? don't they treat their employees also as numbers ? don't schools and universities treat students as numbers ? 

when living in a society with millions of people you have to treat them as numbers, this is not a bug, this is a feature. when you go vote you're basically a number for example. 

as long as you're not harming the girls you're picking up, dating and sleeping with, then pick up is mostly fine. now can it be toxic ? of course if you treat them badly. but this is not on pick up, this is on you. 

[NoSelfSelf]

Its the ideology that's problem, alternative is learning it in more transparent way by learning yourself by learning game not pick up.

[fabger]

@NoSelfSelfWhat is the distinction between game and pickup? Im curious.

[Majed]

@fabger it is the same thing basically lol

[NoSelfSelf]

34 minutes ago, fabger said:

@NoSelfSelfWhat is the distinction between game and pickup? Im curious.

Pick up is way of how you gonna use tactics to get women in the bed as soon as possible,where focus is women and manipulation.

Game is complete focus on yourself where authentic you is number 1 over the sleeping with women,based on your rootedness in self you maximaze your authentic value to position yourself to why women should be with you, not you manipulating them to go in your bed.

[Sugarcoat]

The alternative is just being yourself and approaching when you want to. But since your “being yourself” sucks you can’t do that

[teraflu]

very beautifully said @Majed

Edited October 27 by teraflu
forgot to quote

[Ash55]

Many Pick up people dont see how much damage they are doing to other girls, you dont need to lie and manipulate to get gf or even sex which is what all pick up artist i saw irl do, and leo said something like you can find in the trash dump like pick up some valuable gems, and he means that you can be funny, social, well dressed well spoken to make women find you more attractive vs manipulate cheating justifying all sort of fucked up shit and call it manly LOL what red pill is
 

[The Renaissance Man]

@Majed It's an issue with quotes in general. They're brief, they don't provide context, and for this reason they can be interpreted in many ways.

Plus, Leo loves being dramatic lol

Edited October 27 by The Renaissance Man

[Ulax]

@Majed To get good at pickup you essentially have to become obsessive about fulfilling one of your primal needs. Its a very self centered project to get involved with too. 

Imo, obsessing about something like that is pretty low consciousness, and obsessing about low consciousness things will kind of warp your mind. 

That's not to say there aren't various positive aspects of pick up.

Edited October 28 by Ulax

[Yimpa]

On 10/27/2024 at 2:44 PM, The Renaissance Man said:

Plus, Leo loves being dramatic lol

 

[Oppositionless]

Maybe try this

Get super confident to the point where you can approach any woman , discover your authentic style of game, but rather than use that to have sex with as many women as possible, only have sex with the women you want to date long term and only have sex with one woman at a time 

the personal development gains come from the approaching , not the sex imo 

Edited October 29 by Oppositionless

[gettoefl]

You're a cold calling used car salesman slime ball

which is fine

provided you're just roleplaying and not addicted

End does justify the means I say

[integration journey]

On 10/29/2024 at 9:29 AM, Yimpa said:

 

Haha wtf 🤣

[Cocolove]

Come on leo we need more expansino on this idea!

[lostingenosmaze]

4 hours ago, Mada_ said:

@Leo Gura

Ignore my PM if you see this. 

I want to understand how you demonise chasing money and sex as it will corrupt the mind, but these are human needs and you have already benefited from them. 

 

And also what are the alternatives? 

 

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

It's not that I demonize them. It's that they lead to corruption.

I have been corrupted by them in the past to some extent. And now I am very aware of that corrupting effect. But I was wise enough to avoid most of the corruption. Most people will fall right into it.

There are many different ways to get money and sex. They are not all equally corrupt. Of course I'm not saying you shouldn't make money or have sex. I'm saying, understand how these things lead to corruption and be careful that you don't lose yourself to them.

Saying that pickup is corrupt doesn't mean you can't or shouldn't date or flirt with women or learn to socialize. My point was that the pickup community as whole is corrupt. In the same way that Wall Street or the mafia as a whole is corrupt. These are corrupt industries.

Not all ways of doing business are corrupt. Not all ways of dating are corrupt.

If you are just starting off, you may not care about corruption because you just want results. But at my advanced stage I care about corruption as an epistemic and spiritual matter. So I point it out as a favor to mankind, for those who care about such things.

At some point, if you care about deeply understanding all these fieldd and social systems, you have to confront the issue of corruption within them. Otherwise you cannot understand them. Corruption is such a huge lens for understanding what's really going on with mankind.

 

 

[Zen LaCroix]

On 10/27/2024 at 9:01 PM, Ulax said:

@Majed To get good at pickup you essentially have to become obsessive about fulfilling one of your primal needs. Its a very self centered project to get involved with too. 

Imo, obsessing about something like that is pretty low consciousness, and obsessing about low consciousness things will kind of warp your mind. 

That's not to say there aren't various positive aspects of pick up.

Are you just quoting Leo when you say it is low-concious or do you really feel that way. Maybe to him it's low consciousness because he's focused on getting to the truth of our creation and the universe but for the rest of use it requires facing our fear, getting our ego stepped on, learning how to not be obsessed with other's opinions, letting go, relaxing in chaotic situations, decisiveness, vocal projection, free flowing light-hearteded  communication, being in flow and much more

[NoSelfSelf]

53 minutes ago, Zen LaCroix said:

Are you just quoting Leo when you say it is low-concious or do you really feel that way. Maybe to him it's low consciousness because he's focused on getting to the truth of our creation and the universe but for the rest of use it requires facing our fear, getting our ego stepped on, learning how to not be obsessed with other's opinions, letting go, relaxing in chaotic situations, decisiveness, vocal projection, free flowing light-hearteded  communication, being in flow and much more

If you did all that to advance yourself and not for piece of pussy, then it will be higher counciousness.But all of the above is done to satisfy your basic needs and those basic needs makes you low concious.

Its not the action its about from where action comes from, since both people who do approaching look like they do the same thing.

[Zen LaCroix]

1 hour ago, NoSelfSelf said:

If you did all that to advance yourself and not for piece of pussy, then it will be higher counciousness.But all of the above is done to satisfy your basic needs and those basic needs makes you low concious.

Its not the action its about from where action comes from, since both people who do approaching look like they do the same thing.

There is something to be said about going after what you want in life

Edited October 31 by Zen LaCroix

[Ulax]

2 hours ago, Zen LaCroix said:

Are you just quoting Leo when you say it is low-concious or do you really feel that way. Maybe to him it's low consciousness because he's focused on getting to the truth of our creation and the universe but for the rest of use it requires facing our fear, getting our ego stepped on, learning how to not be obsessed with other's opinions, letting go, relaxing in chaotic situations, decisiveness, vocal projection, free flowing light-hearteded  communication, being in flow and much more

I was just saying that a certain aspect of pickup is low consciousness. Hence, my saying that there are various positive aspects to pick up.