Why Do Millions Still Stand By Trump Despite the Evidence?

[What Am I]

5 minutes ago, zazen said:

What if this phenomena isn’t just isolated to Trump and America but a common pattern across the West atm. Its populism. Understand populism and you’ll understand its derivative that is Trumpism. This “Trumpism” isn’t going away with Trump - as long as large cohorts of the populace aren’t respected, let alone catered to.

This pretty much sums up my thoughts on what's happening. There's an awful lot of focus on Trump in particular, but I feel like we'd be seeing something very similar even if he was never born.

Edited October 27 by What Am I

[What Am I]

16 minutes ago, Joshe said:

The people in my life who I love most are Trumpists. I'm not very political. But you and your "type" ignorantly label anyone who has my position as being left or progressive, because you use your assumptions as if they're fact.

That's a reasonable comeback. It's true that othering can definitely work both ways. Something to watch out for.

[Joshe]

1 hour ago, MrTruf said:

Really? I'll leave it to the other members to decide for themselves  

Aww, you're special. The question was to you sweetheart, not other members. A simple "yes, I ignorantly assumed what you have and have not considered and based my entire argument on that" would have sufficed, but I understand the need for social validation. It's nothing to be ashamed of. We all do it from time to time. 

[MrTruf]

6 minutes ago, Joshe said:

Aww, you're special. The question was to you sweetheart, not other members. A simple "yes, I ignorantly assumed what you have and have not considered and based my entire argument on that" would have sufficed, but I understand the need for social validation. It's nothing to be ashamed of. We all do it from time to time. 

Don't embarass yourself, have some decorum

[Joshe]

4 minutes ago, MrTruf said:

Don't embarass yourself, have some decorum

Good idea. It's important that we maintain a good image so others can think highly of us. Now, be a predictable boy and get the last word in. Make it count! 

Edited October 27 by Joshe

[MrTruf]

19 hours ago, Joshe said:

That's the the answer in a nutshell [replying to: his supporters are operating at a lower level of consciousness], but that's a very unsatisfying high-level explanation. It's hard to understand because there are so many complex psychological and social structures involved. You have to flesh out multiple psychological profiles and even after you understand them all, you will still be bewildered. There is no satisfactory answer for why willful ignorance persists or why they call good bad and truth false. They're fools who know not what they do. They've been suckling at America's teet for so long that they take it for granted, totally ignorant of what America even is. They have little to live for and they don't care about much outside themselves and their families. Many of them think it's funny.

• low consciousness
• poor sensemaking 
• entitled and spoiled
• no good life purpose
• small circle of concern 
• selfish

And there are more if them than there are of you!

Don't mind if I take your invitation for the last word by simply reposting your message. 

You crafted this story for yourself, where you're fighting forces of evil and where you can be hero for once, even if it's in this hollow way on a forum, preaching to a choir. Last few months probably were more exciting for you than your last decade. Well the jig is up.

Now run to the people you love the most and tell them what you really think about them, you Truth lover you 

Edited October 27 by MrTruf

[ryandesreu]

21 hours ago, Verdesbird said:

Só what,whats the deal? All políticiians commit mistakes, He is a better solution for the economy just look what Hes done in the past

This is a common misconception. The economy was already in fine shape and on the rise before he even took office. 

What you're saying is also a false assumption. that because something happened before, it is likely to happen again.

Many experts predict that Harris's plan will actually be much better for the economy than his.

 

[Joshe]

1 minute ago, MrTruf said:

Don't mind if I take your invitation for the last word by simply reposting your message. Now, off with you

Nice share! 

Sorry certain realities are hard for you to stomach. Next time, I'll be sure to include a chapter on empathy and how they're human beings too. Maybe that'll help you not get lost in your own psychic distortions. 

Something like this:

For all their faults, they are people just like me. I am no better than them. I even care about them and love them. I do not think they are inferior to me. However, it is a fact that their willful ignorance to accept what is true and to deny reality has manifested a highly volatile scenario where the fate of the world is on the line. No matter how unsettling, this is true, but we should remember they are people as well. 

That's the best I can do for you. I know it's not perfectly tailored to your liking but I couldn't omit that one truth I know you don't like. 

[MrTruf]

3 minutes ago, Joshe said:

Nice share! 

Sorry certain realities are hard for you to stomach. Next time, I'll be sure to include a chapter on empathy and how they're human beings too. Maybe that'll help you not get lost in your own psychic distortions. 

Something like this:

For all their faults, they are people just like me. I am no better than them. I even care about them and love them. I do not think they are inferior to me. However, it is a fact that their willful ignorance to accept what is true and to deny reality has manifested a highly volatile scenario where the fate of the world is on the line. No matter how unsettling, this is true, but we should remember they are people as well. 

That's the best I can do for you. I know it's not perfectly tailored to your liking but I couldn't omit that one truth I know you don't like. 

I don't have anything else to add to what I just updated in my last message. Just a friendly reminder to take your meds. 

[Joshe]

10 minutes ago, MrTruf said:

I don't have anything else to add to what I just updated in my last message. Just a friendly reminder to take your meds. 

I don't care what the others say, you're a valuable member of this community. 

Edited October 27 by Joshe

[ryandesreu]

5 hours ago, MrTruf said:

If anything, it represents a backlash against the existing institutions or 'the system' and as some voters/supporters see it- a kind of last resort for people wanting to shake things up.

The misconception here is thinking that, because Trump is shaking up a broken system, and it does have real problems, he will make it better. They never considered that he could make it worse, much worse. 

[What Am I]

1 minute ago, ryandesreu said:

The misconception here is thinking that, because Trump is shaking up a broken system, and it does have real problems, he will make it better. They never considered that he could make it worse, much worse. 

Sure, and that may end up being true, but a drowning person will grab for whatever has a chance of saving them. Their alternative is to simply fall in line with what got them here in the first place. It's hard to blame them when the choice is made from a position of desperation rather than luxury.

[Joshe]

40 minutes ago, MrTruf said:

You crafted this story for yourself, where you're fighting forces of evil and where you can be hero for once, even if it's in this hollow way on a forum, preaching to a choir. Last few months probably were more exciting for you than your last decade. Well the jig is up.

Jesus Christ bro, the projection is next level.

It's interesting that you keep such close tabs on strangers on internet forums. You know my actualized.org timeline... that's a little strange. I'm starting to think you actually might be unwell and I should disengage before you freak out and shoot up some shit or something. I'll back off. Take care bro. 

[MrTruf]

7 minutes ago, ryandesreu said:

The misconception here is thinking that, because Trump is shaking up a broken system, and it does have real problems, he will make it better. They never considered that he could make it worse, much worse. 

yeah no it seems there's a misunderstanding here, even though I'm trying my best to be precise. The point I'm making is that for many voters/supporters, the motivation to cast a vote for Trump comes from a desire to challenge the status quo, not necessarily a guaranteed belief that it will lead to improvement (spoiler: it probably won’t). Many of them are likely reacting out of frustration with a system they feel has failed them. It's that simple. It's less about the conviction that Trump will fix things and more about the impulse to lash out at what they see as an unresponsive establishment. The fear of making things worse is certainly valid, but it doesn't negate their feelings of disenfranchisement. And so it goes

9 minutes ago, Joshe said:

Jesus Christ bro, the projection is next level.

It's interesting that you keep such close tabs on strangers on internet forums. You know my actualized.org timeline... that's a little strange. I'm starting to think you actually might be unwell and I should disengage before you freak out and shoot up some shit or something. I'll back off. Take care bro. 

I actually chuckled, I really did 

[Yimpa]

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Why Do Millions Still Stand By Trump Despite the Evidence?

Similar reason why millions eat McDonald’s even though they know it’s poison for their bodies.

I wrote this post while lovin’ it… so guilty!

[TheEnigma]

It's because Trump brainwashes people. It's the same thing as religion. Why do so many people fall for it? It might seem obvious to you, but most human beings aren't capable of asking the right questions or just don't introspect. It's just too easy for people to conform. There is an idea I just heard, if one person does it then he or she will be considered crazy, but if many people are doing the very same thing/behavior, then it is considered normalized and accepted  

In other words, Trump is very good at lying to himself. It's just another way that he gaslights himself, and then does it to people so well. It's no different than religion. He's a dangerous master manipulator. Just listen to his quotes. He says one thing, and then when it's convenient for him, he just twists it to his advantage. He doesn't actually care about the causes or the people he says he supports. And he will cover up by saying he's doing something good. And pretend like there's enough good in what he does to have many naive people fooled.  It's like mainstream Christianity, they'll do nice things here and there, help the poor, serve food banks, enough to fool many people to go "ah Christianity sounds like it's the way!!" but then they will follow this evil book called the Bible and condemn or hate gay people. It's really unfortunate and saddens me that most human beings aren't capable of evolving much once they've reached young adulthood.

Edited October 28 by TheEnigma

[Fearey]

This is a question I've tried to solve for such a long time. There must be something I'm completely missing about human nature as I have absolutely no idea how so many people can be so extremely gullible.

It's like waking up one morning and realizing half the population is now convinced the earth is flat. Then soon after, the flat-earth party makes it illegal to believe anything else, and we enter 1984 territory real fast.

Edited October 28 by Fearey

[zazen]

It’s not about standing by Trump as much as it is about standing with a movement against the excesses of progressivism, liberalism and globalism. Though MAGA have their own excesses which were evidently on display. But see what their complaints are - pushing LGBTQ and vulgarity via a cultural machine which lacks any grace or wholesomeness.

 

 

Progressives in urban coastal echo chambers deviated so hard from the mass sentiments of the core heartland of America. That mass now wants to reign in this erosion of boundaries. Leftists may enjoy swimming in a sea of moral relativism and hedonistic indulgence but most don’t.

 

Who wants to raise a family and kids in the above society? This is what most Americans fear being exported to their neck of the woods.

The rights issue is they emphasise standards and merit to such a degree that it’s lacking any humanity and become elitist. But the lefts issue is the lack of standards and inclusiveness of anything at all which doesn’t even meet the bare minimum - or is made to meet it via moral relativity. 

Edited October 28 by zazen

[josemar]

31 minutes ago, zazen said:

It’s not about standing by Trump as much as it is about standing with a movement against the excesses of progressivism, liberalism and globalism. Though MAGA have their own excesses which were evidently on display. But see what their complaints are - pushing LGBTQ and vulgarity via a cultural machine which lacks any grace or wholesomeness.

 

 

Progressives in urban coastal echo chambers deviated so hard from the mass sentiments of the core heartland of America. That mass now wants to reign in this erosion of boundaries. Leftists may enjoy swimming in a sea of moral relativism and hedonistic indulgence but most don’t.

 

Who wants to raise a family and kids in the above society? This is what most Americans fear being exported to their neck of the woods.

The rights issue is they emphasise standards and merit to such a degree that it’s lacking any humanity and become elitist. But the lefts issue is the lack of standards and inclusiveness of anything at all which doesn’t even meet the bare minimum - or is made to meet it via moral relativity. 

Absolutely correct. A lot of Trump voters don't think he's a saint that can do no wrong, but the Presidential institution will enact policies that will benefit the common people much more so yhan a continuation of what has been. 

Could be only a perception, and we'll see if it gets better under Trump, but rewarding the existing leadership with another term in office seems to say that people agree with the direction America is going, which they don't.

Democracy ftw!!!

[zazen]

1 hour ago, josemar said:

Absolutely correct. A lot of Trump voters don't think he's a saint that can do no wrong, but the Presidential institution will enact policies that will benefit the common people much more so yhan a continuation of what has been. 

Could be only a perception, and we'll see if it gets better under Trump, but rewarding the existing leadership with another term in office seems to say that people agree with the direction America is going, which they don't.

Democracy ftw!!!

For sure. Trump can definetely brings chaos which could be very bad. The question is whether people want to live through more of the status quo which is what KAMALA and co stand for - Keep America Mediocre And Lacking Ambition.

We will collectively fail to understand Trumpism if we try to understand Trump. Because this transcends him - but people try to understand him, rather than what made him come about to begin with.

And this isn’t isolated to America but to the West more broadly, except that Europes version isn’t as cartoonish and stark. Trump, Boris, Bolsonaro etc are simply derivatives - streams coming from a populist sea of resentment and rebellion against a betrayal of the social contract - that the ruling class has the best interest of those it rules over, and that life gets better for the next generation.

Populists are simply willing to bet on change, even if it means chaos, because the current they’re currently swimming in is drowning their identity, dignity and dreams.

Edited October 28 by zazen