Why Do Millions Still Stand By Trump Despite the Evidence?

[Austin Actualizing]

I’ve spent years studying Trump, and it still amazes me how he has managed to maintain such a dedicated base of supporters. He’s been convicted of 34 felony charges, was impeached twice (without conviction), incited a riot at the Capitol, has numerous sexual assault allegations, was involved in the Trump University scam, had connections with Jeffrey Epstein, declared bankruptcy multiple times despite inheriting significant wealth, has a record of dishonesty, clearly uneducated, and exhibits classic traits of narcissism. The evidence is overwhelming—there are countless articles, books, documentaries, and documents that detail his actions and behavior in depth. Yet, his supporters remain loyal. It’s hard for me to comprehend why. The only explanation that makes sense to me is that his supporters are operating at a lower level of consciousness. As the election date approaches, I’m feeling a growing sense of stress and frustration. What do you think keeps Trump's supporters so loyal, despite all the evidence against him? 

[PurpleTree]

Didn’t the Clintons for example also have an Epstein connection and lots of corruption this that and the third?

I’m not a Trump supporter btw.

[allseeker205]

7 minutes ago, Austin Actualizing said:

I’ve spent years studying Trump, and it still amazes me how he has managed to maintain such a dedicated base of supporters. He’s been convicted of 34 felony charges, was impeached twice (without conviction), incited a riot at the Capitol, has numerous sexual assault allegations, was involved in the Trump University scam, had connections with Jeffrey Epstein, declared bankruptcy multiple times despite inheriting significant wealth, has a record of dishonesty, clearly uneducated, and exhibits classic traits of narcissism. The evidence is overwhelming—there are countless articles, books, documentaries, and documents that detail his actions and behavior in depth. Yet, his supporters remain loyal. It’s hard for me to comprehend why. The only explanation that makes sense to me is that his supporters are operating at a lower level of consciousness. As the election date approaches, I’m feeling a growing sense of stress and frustration. What do you think keeps Trump's supporters so loyal, despite all the evidence against him? 

You're correct about people who support him operating at lower levels of consciousness. The issue is that they are unable to move up the spiral. The reason why there is so much denialism is because they would have to accept that their viewpoints are just flat-out wrong. It actually kind of scares me how many people I've heard say that if Harris wins it was rigged... This really shows their extremely unchecked bias and lack of critical thinking skills. This is also the exact kind of thinking that led to January 6 and why some people still to this day think the election was fraudulent, with absolutely no evidence of a nationwide plot to undermine Trump in the election. A lot of these people also have a child's level of understanding of how politics and society actually work at the highest levels. They don’t see the bigger picture, or either they’re too selfish and greedy to care about the rest of society. Anything that helps poor and working-class people is socialism or communism to them, but cooperation can be bailed out by the government, and never have to repay it. A lot of them also hate a strong central government but don’t realize how important that is for protecting civil rights and consumer protections. Unlimited capitalism with little to no regulations is just an anarcho-capitalist nightmare. They don’t realize thery’re literally voting against their own interest unless they’re rich.

[Verdesbird]

Bro

 

Só what,whats the deal? All políticiians commit mistakes, He is a better solution for the economy just look what Hes done in the past

 

América will be dismantled with kamalas unlimited acceptance of illegal aliens and wide open borders for everyone to come to the us recieve medicare and social security 

 

It will be a disaster if she wins,im just gonna be happy to my relatives in iran but América will gone to shit 

 

And it will be a no return road more and more illegals in the u.s everyday all of then voting forever for democrats,all woke femilization policies 

 

Damm

 

 

Just pray trump wins or else it will be the beginning of the final colapse  of the free world 

[PurpleTree]

5 minutes ago, Verdesbird said:

Just pray trump wins or else it will be the beginning of the final colapse  of the free world 

Oh wow 🦭 wild.

[Yimpa]

 

[Vercingetorix]

Of course you can't understand because you are not his target audience. Do your marketing research about his supporters - their needs and wants, their fears, their challenges and difficulties and you will understand why they vote for him and support him

Edited October 27 by Vercingetorix

[Leo Gura]

Why do people fall for con-artists?

Because a con-artist preys on all their psychological weaknesses.

Why do people make deals with the Devil?

Because the Devil preys on all their psychological weaknesses.

Edited October 27 by Leo Gura

[Lyubov]

They don’t care. He speaks for their insecurities and fears and values, however contradictory they may be. Trump once said he could shoot someone and people would still follow him. It’s true. They don’t care, they care about their world view and Trump represents that. Trump’s personal issues they don’t care about. 

[Yimpa]

It is a trap to fall for Trump’s logic. It is a game you can never ultimately win.

[Cobblestone Prince]

because we have eyes. we aren't voting for a husband. we're voting for a president. The only question that matters is, was the country a better place to live under Trump or Biden/Harris. If this isn't extremely obvious to you, you are blind and in denial.

[Austin Actualizing]

43 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Why do people fall for con-artists?

Because a con-artist preys on all their psychological weaknesses.

Why do people make deals with the Devil?

Because the Devil preys on all their psychological weaknesses.

Well, it seems America is less psychologically developed than I thought. 

[Austin Actualizing]

@Cobblestone Prince When you make a deal with the devil, don't be surprised when you get burned. 

 

[Leo Gura]

13 minutes ago, Austin Actualizing said:

Well, it seems America is less psychologically developed than I thought. 

Everyone is less developed than they portray themselves to be.

The mind is not conscious enough to comprehend its own corruption.

Edited October 27 by Leo Gura

[Joshe]

3 hours ago, Austin Actualizing said:

his supporters are operating at a lower level of consciousness

That's the the answer in a nutshell, but that's a very unsatisfying high-level explanation. It's hard to understand because there are so many complex psychological and social structures involved. You have to flesh out multiple psychological profiles and even after you understand them all, you will still be bewildered. There is no satisfactory answer for why willful ignorance persists or why they call good bad and truth false. They're fools who know not what they do. They've been suckling at America's teet for so long that they take it for granted, totally ignorant of what America even is. They have little to live for and they don't care about much outside themselves and their families. Many of them think it's funny.

• low consciousness
• poor sensemaking 
• entitled and spoiled
• no good life purpose
• small circle of concern 
• selfish

And there are more if them than there are of you!

Edited October 27 by Joshe

[Austin Actualizing]

@PurpleTree What they did is child's play in comparison. 

 

[MrTruf]

I would be willing to bet that at least some Trump voters (not necessarily supporters) see their vote as the only way to shake things up a bit. America has deep underlying problems that most Americans are unwilling to face, but everyone intuitively senses they're there. The only way they seem to cope with this is by entrenching in extreme infighting – it's the only way some feel they have power.

From a European perspective, where multi-party systems are more common and there's a tradition of recognizing that different groups have different needs and interests, it's clear that the only way forward is to find common ground, not to ignore large swathes of the country or dismiss them as "low-consciousness" people. The way some people are talking here wouldn't fly in Europe – if for nothing else, just for the lack of tact, even if there's a hint of truth in what's being said.

There's a lot of anger in these discussions, and it probably stems from failed personal relationships, psychological struggles, and the widespread use of SSRIs, all of which translate into aggressive attitudes. The self-righteousness and the assumption that only one "right" answer exists really limit the depth of the conversation here.

And let's not forget there's at least some overlap between Trump, Obama, and Bernie voters. You can't say the same person is "high-consciousness" when they vote for Bernie and then "low-consciousness" when they vote for Trump. Some of you guys are so reductionist, seeing everything in black and white, right or wrong, high or low consciousness, conned or not conned. Can’t you see how shallow this interpretation of reality is?

[zazen]

@MrTruf 100%

The progressive instinct recoils at any semblance of conservatism, tradition or religion as if they're hell incarnate. This is understandable if you view things in a black and white, tribalistic binary - without seeing the nuances or the ying and yang. Progressives view many things that are normal for a lot of people as if they are regressive - the very opposite of progressive. Ironically, we claim we are higher on the spiral stage, but haven't integrated lower ones. And if you integrate the past stages you don't disdain them in their entirety.

Perhaps, it isn't about regression to a past with all its mistakes (of racism, facism etc) but a rekindling of the very foundational principles that even made the progress we see in the present, possible in the first place (this is the ying and yang of it - we look back to move forward). Its not a return to the past, but at turning to the past to see where our civilization deviated. History is a resource, not a destination. 

Of course, factions will want to regress and return to the past, but these are mostly fringe elements, just like there are fringe elements on the left that enjoy swimming in a sea of moral relativism and degeneracy as if nothing matters - which leaves most of us lost at sea without an anchor.

KAMALA stands for Keeping America Mediocre And Lacking Ambition. Maybe we need that MAGA shake up to re-vitalise things - without it devolving into elitism. 

Edited October 27 by zazen

[Joshe]

5 hours ago, MrTruf said:

I would be willing to bet that at least some Trump voters (not necessarily supporters) see their vote as the only way to shake things up a bit. America has deep underlying problems that most Americans are unwilling to face, but everyone intuitively senses they're there. The only way they seem to cope with this is by entrenching in extreme infighting – it's the only way some feel they have power.

The whole "chaos agent" cohort no longer has a leg to stand on. They did in 2016, but after Trump tried to overthrow the democratic will of the people to seize power for himself, it became obvious the chosen chaos agent is too chaotic to fuck around with. 

5 hours ago, MrTruf said:

From a European perspective, where multi-party systems are more common and there's a tradition of recognizing that different groups have different needs and interests, it's clear that the only way forward is to find common ground, not to ignore large swathes of the country or dismiss them as "low-consciousness" people. The way some people are talking here wouldn't fly in Europe – if for nothing else, just for the lack of tact, even if there's a hint of truth in what's being said.

Just as good sense-making isn't in everyone's wheelhouse, neither is tact. That said, I would employ much more tact face to face than what I do on a forum discussing Trumpism. 

5 hours ago, MrTruf said:

There's a lot of anger in these discussions, and it probably stems from failed personal relationships, psychological struggles, and the widespread use of SSRIs, all of which translate into aggressive attitudes. The self-righteousness and the assumption that only one "right" answer exists really limit the depth of the conversation here.

You left out the largest factor. Can you figure out where the majority of the negative emotions actually stem from? 

If you understood this point, you yourself would likely speak against Trumpism rather than attempt to make room for it. If you care about the world and care about people, you experience pain from Trumpism. People with a small circle of concern, or dare I say, lacking moral development, can only view it intellectually and that's why centrists can't wrap their heads around what they like to call TDS. 

5 hours ago, MrTruf said:

And let's not forget there's at least some overlap between Trump, Obama, and Bernie voters. You can't say the same person is "high-consciousness" when they vote for Bernie and then "low-consciousness" when they vote for Trump. Some of you guys are so reductionist, seeing everything in black and white, right or wrong, high or low consciousness, conned or not conned. Can’t you see how shallow this interpretation of reality is?

This critique seems black and white and reductionist. You're projecting black and white thinking onto others. For example, why would you assume others would call Bernie supporters high consciousness just because they voted for Bernie? Anyone using a single data point like "voted for Bernie" as marker of high consciousness would be a great example of bad thinking. 

Edited October 27 by Joshe

[Hojo]

Its just racists undertones of America coming to the fore front.

Trumps is just revealing a part of America's ego that was hiding.

Edited October 27 by Hojo