being vegan at stage turquoise

[vibv]

On 26.10.2024 at 4:32 PM, Majed said:

at turquoise you realize that the suffering of animals is imaginary and that it makes no difference whether animals are tortured or not in an absolute sense.

That's false. It makes every difference FOR THE ANIMALS.

"But there are no animals, there's only you!" — Exactly...

I see what you're trying to get at: Nothing can ever be lost or gained in the Absolute. But the way you termed it it just sounds completely false. It sounds like spiritual bypassing.

In the Absolute everything is always absolute Perfection, true. But not on the plane we're talking about here. It's difficult not to confuse those.

If spirituality makes you lose compassion, something went very wrong.

Edited October 31 by vibv

[Keryo Koffa]

8 minutes ago, vibv said:

That's false. It makes every difference FOR THE ANIMALS.

"But there are no animals, there's only you!" — Exactly...

I see what you're trying to get at: Nothing can every be lost or gained in the Absolute. But the way you termed it it just sounds completely false. It sounds like spiritual bypassing.

Exactly, it's all you, the suffering of animals is equal to your own, and everything is life in various forms. If you dismiss eating animals as a moral problem "because they're illusory", then that's equivalent to having no problem eating human flesh because "humans are illusory". What is, is and even if you break down conceptual distinctions, as long as you navigate and interact with the world, the source of these distinctions remains and is very much as alive as your own felt aliveness, that you base all your decisions off of.

Edited October 31 by Keryo Koffa

[mojsterr]

We were meant to eat each other. Life is cruel. It's made like this by design. I would say you are fighting a battle against nature itself. We're all a part of it, you cannot escape it.

[Keryo Koffa]

Just now, mojsterr said:

We were meant to eat each other. Life is cruel. It's made like this by design. I would say you are fighting a battle against nature itself. We're all a part of it, you cannot escape it.

We create our reality and especially now—far as we've come—have infinite options.

The only reason to eat meat is because you're addicted to its taste.

[vibv]

1 minute ago, mojsterr said:

We were meant to eat each other. 

But we just met. Shouldn't we first get to know each other a little bit better?

[mojsterr]

26 minutes ago, Keryo Koffa said:

We create our reality and especially now—far as we've come—have infinite options.

The only reason to eat meat is because you're addicted to its taste.

Because it gives me the best nutritional value and also keeps me alive.

 

It' just the circle of life. We cannot live without suffering. This is designed this way. Running away from it means you're not accepting life as it is, in all of its glory.

 

26 minutes ago, vibv said:

But we just met. Shouldn't we first get to know each other a little bit better?

🤭

Edited October 31 by mojsterr

[Davino]

@Majed I think that if you haven't been vegetarian/vegan you haven't fully integrated stage green

On 26/10/2024 at 4:32 PM, Majed said:

at turquoise you realize that the suffering of animals is imaginary and that it makes no difference whether animals are tortured or not in an absolute sense.

at stage turquoise the distinction between yourself and animals collapse and you realize that animals are you own mind. 

False. Remember SD is about maturity not spirituality or metaphysics. You can be turquoise and be iliterate about spirituality, like a super advanced philosopher.

What you realize is that killing is part of life and that we are all hipocrite & selfish. It is also natural to eat animals and that the universe is structured in a way for this to happen, everything is feeding from each other in a cosmic loop. Moreover, the green troubles are seen as profoundly systemic in nature and an equilibrium between the personal "I" and the collective is found. One is allowed to be selfish and selfless simultaneously without being constricted by morality or ethics but only by its own discernment and intelligence.

[sholomar]

For me the reason to go vegan as someone who sees himself as yellow/turquoise would be the simple fact that the planet cannot sustain 8+ billion people all living a typical american lifestyle of meat eating, with houses that have 3 bathrooms, 2-3 stall garages, with 4 cars in the driveway. It's not so much the passionate emotional plea of stage greens who feel too much, it's a logical conclusion based on the science.  This is especially true when so much of our land is used to produce ethanol for vehicles, which drives inflation in real estate prices along with not really being efficient from a carbon standpoint.  We should not be cutting down rainforest to graze cattle, much less grow palm or other crops such as corn. It's a matter of keeping this planet habitable for our species.

I don't see anything particularly unhealthy about beyond/impossible beef just because it's processed. It's unfortunate that they've gotten a bad reputation just because they are processed. You are not going to feed 8 billion people on all unprocessed foods. Get used to the fact processed is here to stay. I don't eat it much because it costs 3 times the price of beef. I'd eat it more if there was price parity.

I totally agree with the posters who say the evolution and natural selection are savage. You will never totally get rid of discomfort and suffering in this matrix. If you want to get rid of suffering, overthrow the Gods who make us incarnate on this planet and dismantle this physical reality entirely. People play video games for the challenge, and this reality is basically a video game for the soul.  Lions will continue eating Gazelles in the wild. Humans will keep eating meat. We evolved for around 2 million years doing it.  Best we can hope to do is limit future population growth. I disagree with Musk that we need to keep pushing breeding and population growth, just because we have pyramid scheme banking systems and social programs that require population growth to sustain themselves, and that because there's empty space we should fill it with people. You also need to feed them. Still, the decline in birth rates is going to bring challenges along with it because of the banking system's reliance on perpetually accelerating "growth" and "consumption"

Edited October 31 by sholomar