LEO GURA : Awakening and suffering

[PenguinPablo]

3 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

It's natural because it's inevitable. War is inevitable, and it's a big shit. Yesterday I was reading some parts of the biography of Rudolf hoss, human society is that. It's absolutely impossible, no one option, that in a primitive society there is not war. It's genetically encoded. Human condition is extremely hard. Then, from this condition this society emerges. It comes from the total horror, the massacre and the slavery. It's very difficult to understand what the social contract is. What are the origins of our mental structure 

I agree it's natural but we further perpetuate it. I still don't full understand why.

[Kairos]

@Someone here You said " Disidentify with humanity ".

Well that's impractical and dysfunctional for survival .

And if my body doesn't survive how am I gonna experience consciousness or love .

In the absolute sense you're right it's all a mind game but again you still gotta work in concrete material reality which is inescapable.

So I agree with what others are saying to accept suffering as it's a part life and still be optimistic.

[Princess Arabia]

5 hours ago, Rishabh R said:

@Princess Arabia No it wasn't a thought. I actually accepted my suffering and let it be.

The comment you wrote to me is a written thought. The only way you could have accepted your suffering is if you told yourself so. When you told yourself so, it was a thought. Every friggin' word on this forum is a thought. 

Edited October 29 by Princess Arabia

[The Chosen One]

To live in consciousness is suffering.

Edited October 29 by The Chosen One

[Rishabh R]

@Princess Arabia But even after thought I accepted the feelings of suffering which is thought followed by no- thought.

[VeganAwake]

https://youtu.be/7BgPfZ3nMoA?si=uKdXV8I64Bjw_qAL

[Princess Arabia]

7 hours ago, Rishabh R said:

@Princess Arabia But even after thought I accepted the feelings of suffering which is thought followed by no- thought.

"Thought followed by no-thought", what does that even mean. To notice that there's no thought is still a thought. What's saying there was no thought. A thought. You're seeing thoughts as only something you're consciously recognizing as thoughts. Thoughts that you put there yourself. No, it's all thoughts. The fact that you noticed there was no thought shows there was a thought saying "there's no thought". Are you getting this. 

You cannot accept the feeling of suffering without having a prior thought that says I've accepted the feeling of suffering. Feelings come after thought.

"Thoughts are the language of the brain and feelings are the language of the body, and how you think and how you feel create a state of being". - Dr. Joe Dispenza.

In order for you to have been in a state of acceptance of suffering, you had a thought which allowed for a feeling which allowed for you to be in the state of acceptance. It's all in unison. All started by a thought. Try to see what I'm getting at. When you get this, you'll understand how thoughts create happiness just as it creates suffering.

 

[Rishabh R]

@Princess Arabia I am trying to . Upto large extent thought creates suffering and happiness but the duration of emotional suffering consists of a  spiral of thoughts and emotions. So by embracing negative emotions during sadness , anger , hurt , jealousy , bitterness lead to their dissipation.

[tuku747]

Well maybe if you awakened to how you were creating your disease you'd have an easier time not creating it? Just saying

[Princess Arabia]

1 hour ago, Rishabh R said:

@Princess Arabia I am trying to . Upto large extent thought creates suffering and happiness but the duration of emotional suffering consists of a  spiral of thoughts and emotions. So by embracing negative emotions during sadness , anger , hurt , jealousy , bitterness lead to their dissipation.

All I'm saying is it's all thought. On the deep level, thoughts are really not our own and we're not really thinking. It only appears that way. Thinking and thoughts are just happening; but one will not know, see or recognize this unless they really know themselves as Awareness. Until then, we will continue to suffer thoughts no matter how much we try to embrace or accept them unless we truly see them for what they are. One can train themselves to not be identified with thoughts and to only use them for practical purposes, but until this is engrained, it's only temporary. We can learn to minimize suffering and keep it short-lived and to be in states where we're not adversely affected to the point of depression or anxiety, but suffering won't be totally eliminated if we identify as the one who is suffering and that the suffering belongs to us -hence, "my suffering, my anxiety".

Edited October 29 by Princess Arabia

[Dodo]

On 28/10/2024 at 2:25 PM, Kairos said:

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Well than what's the point of all this Enlightenment thing man .

Actually I'm going through worst phase of my life yet .

And I didn't knew how to make sense of it and I thought this Awakening (God) stuff would help me solve my materialistic problems .

Knowing that it won't isn't what I wanted to hear man.

Spirituality will help you be happy with less and accepting seemingly unacceptable situations. It will give you space

Edited October 29 by Dodo

[Yimpa]

58 minutes ago, tuku747 said:

Well maybe if you awakened to how you were creating your disease you'd have an easier time not creating it? Just saying

I prefer to make love to disease!

[Thought Art]

Deep awakening, not really going to help with material things.

But, more self help style spirituality with long term consistent, measured action can make a difference.

[Raze]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcTqXAD7pvM

 

Edited October 29 by Raze