LEO GURA : Awakening and suffering

[Spiritual Warfare]

7 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

There is no Good Suffering, Pain can be called good for us because it sets up our limits of our bodies and minds, but Suffering in any way is disabling and disempowering on all levels!

Not all suffering is necessary. You need to stop listening to these spiritual types and try to think carefully for yourself. A lot of suffering can harm you rather than heal you.

[Ishanga]

1 minute ago, Princess Arabia said:

You are confusing pain with suffering. If you stick yourself with a needle, that's painful and it hurts. You suffer that pain with thoughts and ideas about the pain. 

Exactly, Sufferinig is a Choice, Pain is helpful up to a point, self inflicting pain is no good, although it brings intense Experience to one's life, it disempowers You overall, where as Joy and Bliss enhance Your Life tremendously!

[Rishabh R]

2 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

If "Positive" emotions exist, the opposite has to exist, so the range of emotions are just Potentials, the Human can navigate this range and consciously choose which emotions to feel on a consistent basis, if You neglect to choose, then Life is being lived by Accident and Your Compulsive in nature, a virtual Slave to outside situations and ppl around You.  For a Human this is not living up to Your Potential at all, its living way below it. Spirituality is about Living to Your Highest Potential, so choose for Yourself how You want to live Life, High Potential Life, or Low...

Yeah but nobody in the world is happy all the time. The seemingly most happy people suffer in life too.

[Ishanga]

1 minute ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

Not all suffering is necessary. You need to stop listening to these spiritual types and try to think carefully for yourself. A lot of suffering can harm you rather than heal you.

I've experienced both sides of the coin, Suffering and Joy, I choose Joy, so what I am saying does not come from any Spiritual types, but personal Experience..

[Spiritual Warfare]

1 minute ago, Ishanga said:

I've experienced both sides of the coin, Suffering and Joy, I choose Joy, so what I am saying does not come from any Spiritual types, but personal Experience..

Okay, good, but you make it sound universal.

[Ishanga]

1 minute ago, Rishabh R said:

Yeah but nobody in the world is happy all the time. The seemingly most happy people suffer in life too.

Do You know everybody in the world, or is this just an idea or concept You have??

Most ppl's happiness comes from Outside Situations, nice house, lots of money or success, or fame, but its transitory, it comes then goes, that is not real Happiness or Joy..

Ask Yourself, if ppl can be constantly in a state of Depression, I've experienced it and have seen others like this, why can't they constantly be Blissed out? Then ask Yourself which is more Empowering for You, Depression or Bliss, the answer is obvious!

[Rishabh R]

Just now, Ishanga said:

I've experienced both sides of the coin, Suffering and Joy, I choose Joy, so what I am saying does not come from any Spiritual types, but personal Experience..

Have you experienced a smile on your face in the midst of emotional suffering? (Just a general questions as I have experienced a smile)

[Princess Arabia]

4 minutes ago, Rishabh R said:

But we are ignoring the function of brain and it's survival mechanisms to keep us alive.

There is no one there operating the brain. The body and brain operates in sync. It doesn't need thoughts and ideas to survive. The individual does. All this stuff is happening on it's own. Take the individual out and nothing changes. When I say individual, I mean the person that you think you are which are basically thoughts, ideas and concepts.

[Rishabh R]

1 minute ago, Ishanga said:

Do You know everybody in the world, or is this just an idea or concept You have??

Most ppl's happiness comes from Outside Situations, nice house, lots of money or success, or fame, but its transitory, it comes then goes, that is not real Happiness or Joy..

Ask Yourself, if ppl can be constantly in a state of Depression, I've experienced it and have seen others like this, why can't they constantly be Blissed out? Then ask Yourself which is more Empowering for You, Depression or Bliss, the answer is obvious!

Suffering and happiness both are parts of everyone's life.

[Princess Arabia]

1 minute ago, Rishabh R said:

Have you experienced a smile on your face in the midst of emotional suffering? (Just a general questions as I have experienced a smile)

Yes, that was a thought that made you smile, the same way a thought makes you suffer.

[Ishanga]

1 minute ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

Okay, good, but you make it sound universal.

I'm a Human, Your a Human, we are all Humans here, so it is universal, regardless of outside Situations or genes, or things of this nature.. We are more alike than different.  Our varying ideologies and concepts about things are not basically surface level stuff, deep down we are all basically the same, we all Desire, we all Breathe, we all have emotions, want things, dream, and such, so on those levels we are very similar..

Again the society has brainwashed ppl to identify with their individuality and uniqueness, this allows them to sell You things, but the truth is we are basically the same fundamentally!

[Ishanga]

2 minutes ago, Rishabh R said:

Suffering and happiness both are parts of everyone's life.

The potential is there within all of Us, but most never exert their ability to choose how to feel, or their Free Will, so that is why ppl are yo yo's emotionally, slaves to what is happening outside of themselves!

If You had a choice how would You want to feel on a daily moment to moment basis?  Think of the person/s that You love the most, how would You want them to feel on a consistent basis, Joy or Misery?

Edited October 28 by Ishanga

[Rishabh R]

1 minute ago, Princess Arabia said:

Yes, that was a thought that made you smile, the same way a thought makes you suffer.

@Princess Arabia No but that was acceptance of suffering which made me smile.

 

[Ishanga]

5 minutes ago, Rishabh R said:

Have you experienced a smile on your face in the midst of emotional suffering? (Just a general questions as I have experienced a smile)

Yes,,,

[Rishabh R]

@Ishanga Congratulations.

[Davino]

51 minutes ago, Kairos said:

like anytime I think about my situation I feel very unfair about it  and ask that wth have I done to deserve this .There are morally ethically bad people who are happier Why me .And I fall into envy and resentment towards others or life itself .

How do you avoid it .How do you guys avoid this ???

You don't get to decide the cards that fall in your hand

You decide how to play them

If you play them properly

There is hope to achieve all your dreams

[Princess Arabia]

6 minutes ago, Rishabh R said:

Suffering and happiness both are parts of everyone's life.

Seemingly so. They are short-lived sensations that arises within the body and moves through. They are energetic flows. Flowing through. The person is what latches unto them and call them their own as it does with every sensation. They are just sensations. Felt sensations. They are temporary. Suffering lasts longer if the thought that accompanied it lingers or becomes a train. One after the other after the other. It's a strain on the body/mind because it's not meant to be latched unto and that's what we call suffering, analogous to stretching a rubber band and pulling it and pulling it and pulling it. It eventually bursts and the result is relief and if it doesnt burst, the individual feels the suffering for prolonged periods of time where it turns into depression. It's all energetic. 

Edited October 28 by Princess Arabia

[Someone here]

On 26/10/2024 at 5:24 PM, Kairos said:

@Leo Gura , PLEASE REPLY !!!

You’ve often said that life is love, we are all connected, and that awakening reveals the truth of being God. Yet, in one of your videos, you openly shared your struggles with health issues and the suffering that came with it. This makes me wonder: What’s the point of awakening if it doesn’t free us from suffering? It seems like, in a practical sense, material resources and advancements play a more direct role in addressing suffering, especially in areas like health. How do you reconcile these two realities—spiritual awakening on one hand and the unavoidable challenges of physical life on the other?

HOPE YOU GET WELL SOON 

There's only one way to resolve suffering so that it never comes back and that's not at the level of suffering. Its to go higher than the suffering to the one who is suffering.  Actually dealing with suffering and solving it can awaken you .ignore the suffering and spot who it is who suffers .
Think of your problem..(if you have any) You say:"I have a problem." The mistake that you're making is you're identifying I with your body and your mind. Then that's the only problem you've got. You still believe that you are the problem or the body or the doer 
or the mind. That is the only problem you've got.. no other problem.
So.. if the problem of I is resolved..every other problem is resolved also. And people cannot grasp this. But think about it if you will. Whenever you have problem of any kind, whatever it may be, who do you say has the problem? You say, "I have a problem." You're referring to your body, aren't you ?You're referring to your mind. But if you can 
catch yourself and say, "Who is this I, that thinks it has a problem?" You will realize that I 
never had a problem. The body appears to have a problem. Only you are not your body. 
You have absolutely nothing to do with your body. Try to remember this all of the time. The only way to solve suffering once and for all is to disidentify with your humanity .
 

[Someone here]

43 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Build your life a bit each day, every day until you die.

That's the only reasonable strategy. Everything else is a distraction.

Wow !

[Spiritual Warfare]

6 minutes ago, Someone here said:

The only way to solve suffering once and for all is to disidentify with your humanity 
 

It will help a lot, but for many, it won’t solve all problems. There will always be doubt and fear of the truth.