Are child sex dolls unethical?

[Spiritual Warfare]

Just now, zurew said:

Yes, this is why I said earlier that there isn't any good empirical evidence of this (as far as I am aware) . So we don't really have a good reason to think that it would necessarily reduce it

I don’t read all the comments. I need to get better at that. But I’m glad you think so because I believe that a doll cannot provide a pedophile with the pleasure they truly desire. A doll has no qualities, no feelings. So I don’t understand people who think someone would enjoy having sexual purposes with something that cannot give anything in return. The doll is just an inanimate object.

[Buck Edwards]

6 minutes ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

I don’t read all the comments. I need to get better at that. But I’m glad you think so because I believe that a doll cannot provide a pedophile with the pleasure they truly desire. A doll has no qualities, no feelings. So I don’t understand people who think someone would enjoy having sexual purposes with something that cannot give anything in return. The doll is just an inanimate object.

Well it's no a crime if it's an inanimate object. 

[Spiritual Warfare]

Just now, Buck Edwards said:

Well it's no a crime if it's an inanimate object. 

It is not a crime, but it is not normal behavior.

[Buck Edwards]

2 minutes ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

It is not a crime, but it is not normal behavior.

But people had weird sexual fantasies, fetishes and desires since the beginning of time. Who can decide what's normal anymore? I mean even homosexuality was labeled as "not normal behavior" back in 1960s. As humanity evolves, we learn to assimilate that which was once considered abnormal. 

[Spiritual Warfare]

1 minute ago, Buck Edwards said:

But people had weird sexual fantasies, fetishes and desires since the beginning of time. Who can decide what's normal anymore? I mean even homosexuality was labeled as "not normal behavior" back in 1960s. As humanity evolves, we learn to assimilate that which was once considered abnormal. 

True, but I’m talking about society today, and for me personally, I don’t see it as normal even if they are fantasies, because these fantasies can become real and negatively impact society. However, each person can do what they want, but they must understand the consequences in today’s society and the effects on their mental health.

[Basman]

1 hour ago, Buck Edwards said:

If the legal rules in your city allow it, there's nothing objectively wrong with it as it does not comprise of a criminal act when nobody is harmed. 

I see what you saying but legality don't equate to ethics. There are plenty of things that are legal but arguably unethical, such as corporate lobbying. Having sex a child sex doll can be unethical if there's evidence that it causes harm. The issue is that there is just a lack of actual evidence in part because you can't really research the dichotomy between sex with a child doll and an actual child for obvious reasons.

1 hour ago, Genius100x said:

There's a difference between loving children and being a pedophile. See its definition. 

 

People are saying that it's only fantasy and there's nothing wrong in fantasy. So is it okay to fantasize raping someone and say it's just a fantasy? 

Is it okay to fantasize the same about mothers whatever you are doing with small children? 

It should be okay , according to your logic, "it's just a fantasy". 

Yes fantasy isn't harming anyone. But it still shows who YOU are. 

Don't talk about exceptions where a person is watching a lot of violent movies and is very peaceful and sweet in real life.

Talk about the probability. If someone watches too many violent movies, follows Tate, and plays violent games, what is the probability they will exhibit similar behaviors in real life ? 

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And whether sex with a doll is moral or immoral, is a construct. Maybe you can have sex with dolls (there are many types of dolls, why are u interested in child dolls only? ) . I can agree that it's normal.

But don't imagine children in ur sex. (just like u don't imagine ur parents...)

And don't be a pedophile. It's not normal. It's gross. 

I don't blame you for thinking its gross but you are really just appealing to normativity and making slippery slope arguments if people deviate from said normativity.

[Genius100x]

5 minutes ago, Basman said:

making slippery slope arguments

I didn't. 

[Buck Edwards]

4 minutes ago, Basman said:

I see what you saying but legality don't equate to ethics. There are plenty of things that are legal but arguably unethical, such as corporate lobbying. Having sex a child sex doll can be unethical if there's evidence that it causes harm. The issue is that there is just a lack of actual evidence in part because you can't really research the dichotomy between sex with a child doll and an actual child for obvious reasons.

There is no actual harm as long as you don't act out your impulses in irl. It's like a fetish or fantasy, it's weird yet not criminal. Deciding whether it's ethical or not is a bit complicated because ethics itself is not a universal concept. Some people might say stealing is wrong, others might defend it depending on circumstances. Ethics is a part of your own conscience and not so much for others to decide. 

[Basman]

17 minutes ago, Genius100x said:

I didn't. 

Your either implying that fantasy leads to real life consequences or just calling it weird, in which case who cares?

[gettoefl]

4 hours ago, Basman said:

Buts it is just a doll. There a plenty of pedophiles who aware of how harmful their sexual desire would be if acted on a child and spend their whole life suppressing their urges. Some even get their balls snipped to get rid of their urges. From a Kantian perspective, these pedophiles are highly moral (in a good way) since they are actively resisting the urge to do evil. What are you supposed to do if you are born or made "evil"?

What does it matter if they have sex with a doll?

Society will never green light it - at least for many millennia 

It is too traumatizing triggering toxic tumultuous to be part of social discourse

Paedophiles are the modern day lepers

Never to be seen, never to be discussed, never to be thought about, never to be given an inch of licence in the world

People are scared if this topic is given air-time

that paedophilia would thereby be more and more normalized

Over my dead body, will be most people's response to that scenario

Edited October 26 by gettoefl

[Basman]

1 hour ago, gettoefl said:

Society will never green light it - at least for many millennia 

It is too traumatizing triggering toxic tumultuous to be part of social discourse

Paedophiles are the modern day lepers

Never to be seen, never to be discussed, never to be thought about, never to be given an inch of licence in the world

People are scared if this topic is given air-time

that paedophilia would thereby be more and more normalized

Over my dead body, will be most people's response to that scenario

Pedophilia panic has turned into hysteria at this point. I can't stand blatant and wilful ignorance.

[Schizophonia]

12 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

This is the creepiest thing ever.

Imagine someone discovers your cum-soaked child sex doll under your bed.

lmao

[Schizophonia]

If it can prevent some child abuse so it's "good".

[gettoefl]

2 hours ago, Basman said:

Pedophilia panic has turned into hysteria at this point. I can't stand blatant and wilful ignorance.

It is more than your life is worth to confront this

You will be crucified and hung out to dry

Put your energy into something that can yield returns

[WritingHands]

I need one

[Leo Gura]

6 hours ago, Schizophonia said:

If it can prevent some child abuse so it's "good".

Questionable whether it would prevent child abuse or encourage it.

Edited October 27 by Leo Gura

[Bobby_2021]

A painting of a child is not a child. 

Discussion ends.

[LoseYourvelf]

Good luck convincing people that fucking plastic children recreations isn't nurturing your attraction to their kids

[Leo Gura]

What about a sex doll of baby Hitler?

[Nemra]

I think a human-like AI-powered robot child would do it.

Although the problem would be in differentiating a human child from it.

The robot must be built in a way that it doesn't get traumatized.