Are child sex dolls unethical?

[Basman]

3 minutes ago, Genius100x said:

Bro it's not about having sex with a doll or a pillow. It's about your humanity. What are you being as a human? 

When you do this thing, it shows YOUR level of consciousness. 

A conscious human would never feel good in such acts. 

Buts it is just a doll. There a plenty of pedophiles who aware of how harmful their sexual desire would be if acted on a child and spend their whole life suppressing their urges. Some even get their balls snipped to get rid of their urges. From a Kantian perspective, these pedophiles are highly moral (in a good way) since they are actively resisting the urge to do evil. What are you supposed to do if you are born or made "evil"?

What does it matter if they have sex with a doll?

[Spiritual Warfare]

Just now, Basman said:

Buts it is just a doll. There a plenty of pedophiles who aware of how harmful their sexual desire would be if acted on a child and spend their whole life suppressing their urges. Some even get their balls snipped to get rid of their urges. From a Kantian perspective, these pedophiles are highly moral (in a good way) since they are actively resisting the urge to do evil. What are you supposed to do if you are born or made "evil"?

What does it matter if they have sex with a doll?

Don’t you understand that even if it’s a doll, it won’t help society with pedophiles because they still commit illegal acts against a doll, but in their minds, it’s not just a doll to them? This pattern will not be broken, they will be more tempted to do it to a real person.

[Leo Gura]

2 minutes ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

they still commit illegal acts against a doll

That's not the problem. It isn't a criminal act then.

By that logic you can say that head-shots in video games are a criminal act.

The crime part is when someone is hurt.

Edited October 26, 2024 by Leo Gura

[Genius100x]

2 hours ago, Basman said:

What does it matter if they have sex with a doll?

2 hours ago, Basman said:

Buts it is just a doll.

Again it's NOT about a child doll. It's about YOU as a human. How much greatness you have.

The point is this : 

When you have sex with a child doll, you don't think it's imaginary, for you it's REAL. 

And this shows that IF IT WERE ACTUALLY REAL, you would do the same (with real children). 

Edited October 26, 2024 by Genius100x

[Basman]

Just now, Genius100x said:

Again it's NOT about a doll. It's about YOU as a human. How much greatness you have.

The point is this : 

When you have sex with a doll, you don't think it's imaginary, for you it's REAL. 

And this shows that IF IT WERE ACTUALLY REAL, you would do the same. (with real children). 

 

There is a clear difference between fantasy and tangible actions.

If you play a lot of video games, you are typically engaging in violent fantasies. That doesn't mean you are going to kill people in real life. Or another example, a lot of women fantasize about getting raped. Doesn't mean they actually want to get raped.

[Spiritual Warfare]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

That's not the problem. It isn't a criminal act then.

By that logic you can say that head-shots in video games are a criminal act.

The crime part is when someone is hurt.

Yes, but what I meant is that in their fantasy, it is a crime because they don’t think of the doll in the moment when they take out their penis. Technically, it’s not a crime; one can fantasize about whatever they want, but you understand what I was really getting at.

[lostingenosmaze]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

That's not the problem. It isn't a criminal act then.

By that logic you can say that head-shots in video games are a criminal act.

Exactly, this thread reads like the soccer moms who rave over GTA videogames turning kids into school shooters. How is it any different with a doll?

[Genius100x]

3 minutes ago, Basman said:

Or another example, a lot of women fantasize about getting raped. Doesn't mean they actually want to get raped.

That's a different matter. Don't change the meaning behind my message. 

[Basman]

1600s: witches

1960s: communists

1990s: satanists

2000s: terrorists

2020s: pedophiles

[Buck Edwards]

1 minute ago, Basman said:

1600s: witches

1960s: communists

1990s: satanists

2000s: terrorists

2020s: pedophiles

2030s : murderers and rapists 

[Spiritual Warfare]

I really hope no one rapes this doll.

[Buck Edwards]

3 minutes ago, Basman said:

1600s: witches

1960s: communists

1990s: satanists

2000s: terrorists

2020s: pedophiles

Never : breasts 

 

[Basman]

6 minutes ago, Genius100x said:

That's a different matter. Don't change the meaning behind my message. 

Are you implying that pedophiles always seek to rape real life children? How can you be so certain?

[zurew]

8 minutes ago, Basman said:

Are you implying that pedophiles always seek to rape real life children? How can you be so certain?

You shouldn't let him pivot away from that.

Press him about whats the symmetry breaker between the two. Because fantasy can't be the differentiator (since both invoves fantasy and in one case he doesn't consider it wrong and in the other he does), so the question is - what differentiates the two, when it comes to the categorization of good and bad?

[Spiritual Warfare]

Both are fantasies, but in one of the fantasies, it happens to a real, conscious person.

[Buck Edwards]

35 minutes ago, Basman said:

Buts it is just a doll. There a plenty of pedophiles who aware of how harmful their sexual desire would be if acted on a child and spend their whole life suppressing their urges. Some even get their balls snipped to get rid of their urges. From a Kantian perspective, these pedophiles are highly moral (in a good way) since they are actively resisting the urge to do evil. What are you supposed to do if you are born or made "evil"?

What does it matter if they have sex with a doll?

If the legal rules in your city allow it, there's nothing objectively wrong with it as it does not comprise of a criminal act when nobody is harmed. 

[zurew]

16 minutes ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

Both are fantasies, but in one of the fantasies, it happens to a real, conscious person.

The differentiator is that having a fantasy doesn't entail that you want to act out or to experience that given fantasy in the real world. Thats the difference.

Basman's example demonstrates this very well.

[Spiritual Warfare]

1 minute ago, zurew said:

The differentiator is that having a fantasy doesn't entail that you want to act out or to experience that given fantasy in the real world. Thats the difference.

Basman's example demonstrates this very well.

I agree to a certain extent, but it is a significant temptation. There is no evidence that it will decrease if we put our penises in a filthy doll.

[Genius100x]

1 hour ago, Basman said:

Are you implying that pedophiles always seek to rape real life children? How can you be so certain?

There's a difference between loving children and being a pedophile. See its definition. 

 

People are saying that it's only fantasy and there's nothing wrong in fantasy. So is it okay to fantasize raping someone and say it's just a fantasy? 

Is it okay to fantasize the same about mothers whatever you are doing with small children? 

It should be okay , according to your logic, "it's just a fantasy". 

Yes fantasy isn't harming anyone. But it still shows who YOU are. 

Don't talk about exceptions where a person is watching a lot of violent movies and is very peaceful and sweet in real life.

Talk about the probability. If someone watches too many violent movies, follows Tate, and plays violent games, what is the probability they will exhibit similar behaviors in real life ? 

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And whether sex with a doll is moral or immoral, is a construct. Maybe you can have sex with dolls (there are many types of dolls, why are u interested in child dolls only? ) . I can agree that it's normal.

But don't imagine children in ur sex. (just like u don't imagine ur parents...)

And don't be a pedophile. It's not normal. It's gross. 

Edited October 26, 2024 by Genius100x

[zurew]

6 minutes ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

There is no evidence that it will decrease if we put our penises in a filthy doll.

Yes, this is why I said earlier that there isn't any good empirical evidence on this (as far as I am aware) . So we don't really have a good ground to think that it would necessarily reduce it.

Edited October 26, 2024 by zurew