What's with the TDS, guys?

[MrTruf]

Hi friends,

I can't help but to wonder, how so many smart people here are near mental breakdown, when Trump gets mentioned or mere thought of him apears in your consiousness.

I don't believe any of you claiming he's some big fascist mastermind who will corrupt everything and everyone, actually believe it, do ya? Do you actually believe that your country's system and institutions are so fragile? Do you actually believe the country like US would be gambled every 4 years? You really think rulling elite (definitely not the DC politicians) would just stand idle while the populus decides who's the ruller for next period… please. You must be crazy if you think some orange retard will be the end of US, makes me wonder who else here is retarded 

You do realise that he's just a backlash to the current system? How is more of "current system" (absolute establishment candidate with absolutelly zero personal perspective on governing) solve anything? Trump might serve like a pressure valve, if elected he actually could give americans few more years before an inevitable, real and COMPETENT fascist arrives. Wouldn't you agree that is the trajectory current establishment system is going?

To simplify:

If Kamala elected: Hitler in 5-10 years

If Trump elected: Hitler in 10-15 years

point of notice: I'm not a MAGAt nor do I think that Zion Don is some sort of savior of America or the world. He's just an old guy with a huge ego. And I do understand that he might usher some corrupt assholes along with him, but Washington has seen worse.

I'm being a bit provocative here, so please calm your tits if you already started flapping them. Lets explore the topic from different than usual perspective.

[Princess Arabia]

Love the attitude. Calm your tits...lol. That's all folks...I'll leave the politics to my other halves.

[MrTruf]

17 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Love the attitude. Calm your tits...lol. That's all folks...I'll leave the politics to my other halves.

Sorry, Princess, just my way of searching for silver lining in this 

[Fearey]

@MrTruf Please don't use that stupid notation. It's okay to have no idea what you're talking about. Generally, the less of a clue you have, the more you should know to shut up about it. You clearly have no idea who Donald Trump is or what he's done, and I'm not going to spend the next 5+ hours summarizing to you, or every other dummy utterly incapable of doing even the tiniest bit of research on their own, every outrageous thing Trump has done in the last few years that would immediately get any democratic candidate booted.

From your wording, I take it you are very, very young (13 to 20), and very much in over your head. Your entire post screams Dunning Kruger. Know when to shut up about something, and instead try to gain wisdom from those that have done their research, and better, stop being lazy and do it yourself.

If you look back on your post 10 years from now, you're going to die of cringe.

Edited October 25 by Fearey

[MrTruf]

3 minutes ago, Fearey said:

@MrTruf Please don't use that stupid notation. It's okay to have no idea what you're talking about. Generally, the less of a clue you have, the more you should know to shut up about it. You clearly have no idea who Donald Trump is or what he's done, and I'm not going to spend the next 5+ hours summarizing to you, or every other dummy utterly incapable of doing even the tiniest bit of research on their own, every outrageous thing Trump has done in the last few years that would immediately get any democratic candidate booted from their position.

From your wording, I take it you are very, very young, and very much over your head. Your entire post screams Dunning Kruger. Know when to shut up about something, and instead try to gain wisdom from those that have done their research, and better, stop being lazy and do it yourself.

Case in point.

[zazen]

Case in point lol. 

Ironically, truly integrating a stage within spiral dynamics means accepting it as part of your history and understanding its place in human development, not reacting with revulsion or disdain. Yet, I see many users react to any mention of religion, tradition or conservatism (or the Wests flaws) as if hell is dripping from my lips.

[Basman]

You shouldn't take the most extreme voices as representative of the general vibe. Yeah, some people feel strongly about Trump for example but there are often good reason for that if you are willing to listen and give the benefit of the doubt.

A lot of discourse on social media deteriorates because A) the loudest and most extreme floats to the top and B) people don't tend to give the benefit of the doubt when someone sounds stupid or dramatic even though they might have a point to a certain degree. Just don't take it so seriously.

[Gennadiy1981]

@MrTruf Hi, by the way I replied to you on the other thread and you didn’t reply back. All I wanted to say welcome back my friend after being banned on political forum and making nice comeback. And by the way under your previous name, we actually ended up on good terms so I am even a bit upset that you brushed me off this time. But it’s ok I forgive you. 
 

Anyways to serious topic, you asked a good question for General Development and not it does not have to do with politics really. As you can see on this forum for various topics some people get triggered despite their high development level, including myself. That really has to do with our human character and being emotional, at the end of the day we are all emotional beings and while one person maybe sober for so many topics, there will be few that they will get triggered. Indeed, I pretty much see with many if not all people, some more and some less but nevertheless I see that pretty much everyone gets triggered for something. 
 

However, the state turquoise people like Sadguru and others, I see their reaction is not to react to it, or not really be emotional to it. Let’s say you are in a park and you see two ants forging with each other, what would you do? You wouldn’t start pondering who started or why are they even fighting or whatever, your basic instinct would be that this is just how life is, that’s how things are and you would quickly forget it. Now if you would apply all situations on this world, that’s mastery. I know many will disagree with me on that, but it’s because many are not on that level yet, including myself. 
 

Hope that answers you a more broader question. 

[enchanted]

@MrTrufi like your post. It's a unique perspective and you raise some good points.

But if the left has TDS then the right definitely has Harris Derangment Syndrome. Elon Musk says if Trump doesnt win "it will be the last election", like what? Harris presidency is basically the status quo. 

You should also consider that Trump IS the threat that some claim. Hitler was democratically elected. If you are truly open minded then you would consider this possiblity too. 

[Buck Edwards]

I don't know why this thread reminded me of —

 

[MrTruf]

8 hours ago, Gennadiy1981 said:

@MrTruf Hi, by the way I replied to you on the other thread and you didn’t reply back. All I wanted to say welcome back my friend after being banned on political forum and making nice comeback. And by the way under your previous name, we actually ended up on good terms so I am even a bit upset that you brushed me off this time. But it’s ok I forgive you. 
 

Anyways to serious topic, you asked a good question for General Development and not it does not have to do with politics really. As you can see on this forum for various topics some people get triggered despite their high development level, including myself. That really has to do with our human character and being emotional, at the end of the day we are all emotional beings and while one person maybe sober for so many topics, there will be few that they will get triggered. Indeed, I pretty much see with many if not all people, some more and some less but nevertheless I see that pretty much everyone gets triggered for something. 
 

However, the state turquoise people like Sadguru and others, I see their reaction is not to react to it, or not really be emotional to it. Let’s say you are in a park and you see two ants forging with each other, what would you do? You wouldn’t start pondering who started or why are they even fighting or whatever, your basic instinct would be that this is just how life is, that’s how things are and you would quickly forget it. Now if you would apply all situations on this world, that’s mastery. I know many will disagree with me on that, but it’s because many are not on that level yet, including myself. 
 

Hope that answers you a more broader question. 

I didn't because I said I wouldn't. I did read it tho. 

To be honest, it made me chuckle, how you invented a whole backstory for me and our supposed relationship on the forum, created a whole dynamic out of nothing, backed up ofc by your supposed "deep epistemological work and psychedelics". Sorry to disappoint, buddy, but I'm not your long lost friend/nemesis. You just seem like a professional victim, and you already said what you have to say. 

 

7 hours ago, enchanted said:

@MrTrufi like your post. It's a unique perspective and you raise some good points.

But if the left has TDS then the right definitely has Harris Derangment Syndrome. Elon Musk says if Trump doesnt win "it will be the last election", like what? Harris presidency is basically the status quo. 

You should also consider that Trump IS the threat that some claim. Hitler was democratically elected. If you are truly open minded then you would consider this possiblity too. 

I completely agree about the idea of a Kamala or Joe Derangement Syndrome. That’s the real issue, isn’t it? When both sides view each other as existential threats, how do we expect the other side to react when one inevitably loses? This dynamic is fundamentally flawed.

I'm not promoting 'both-sideism'; I agree that Trump may be a legitimate threat, and I recognize that Kamala largely represents the status quo. However, your nation's current status quo is one of deterioration—haven't you noticed? Both candidates are likely to continue down this path, just in different ways.

My point is more about questioning the extent to which this older, not particularly competent leader actually constitutes a threat. After all, you’re inevitably heading toward one, aren’t you?

I understand the argument for choosing the 'lesser evil,' but if that choice is responsible for the rise of the so-called greater evil, what then? If both choices lead to even greater harm—just through different pathways—should we really be demonizing each other now? In a way, aren’t You demonizing Yourself?

 

 

 

Edited October 26 by MrTruf

[enchanted]

7 hours ago, MrTruf said:

I completely agree about the idea of a Kamala or Joe Derangement Syndrome. That’s the real issue, isn’t it? When both sides view each other as existential threats, how do we expect the other side to react when one inevitably loses? This dynamic is fundamentally flawed.

I'm not promoting 'both-sideism'; I agree that Trump may be a legitimate threat, and I recognize that Kamala largely represents the status quo. However, your nation's current status quo is one of deterioration—haven't you noticed? Both candidates are likely to continue down this path, just in different ways.

My point is more about questioning the extent to which this older, not particularly competent leader actually constitutes a threat. After all, you’re inevitably heading toward one, aren’t you?

I understand the argument for choosing the 'lesser evil,' but if that choice is responsible for the rise of the so-called greater evil, what then? If both choices lead to even greater harm—just through different pathways—should we really be demonizing each other now? In a way, aren’t You demonizing Yourself?

 

 

 

I think you are absolutely right. Infighting is a sign of weakness and the polarization is the USA's biggest threat. Russia knows this and is why it's been caught deliberately polarizing Americans' social media feeds as a tool to divide and conquer.

Edited October 26 by enchanted

[thedoorsareopen]

I support Kamala and oppose Trump because I believe a leader can choose to foster and nurture the system they lead, and that has a lot of benefits. I have a hard time believing that people really can’t see the difference between Trump and Harris, or Trump and Biden, in character.

Whatever you want to say about policies, the example Trump set as a leader was pretty dark and a lot more people in this world were scared when he was in office. Biden is definitely aged, but whenever I’ve listened to him speak beyond a sound byte, whether in speeches or interviews, he’s genuinely inspired me with how he’s talking about lifting people up, or his relatable family background. He genuinely respects the spirit of America, and I do too.

Everything about Trump is so cynical, from the fact that his main motivation to get back in office is to save his own ass from prison, to the way that when he was in office, the general feeling in this country was far more divided and self-interested. He is like some kind of human personification of realpolitik, but if you look at the way other presidents have governed, it’s with a sense of the dignity, respect, and solemnity of being a leader, not just of a government or an organization, but of a large group of people.

Harris and Biden’s life journeys make true on the idea that we ARE a shared nation with shared goals and interests, while Trump’s life journey comes with the message of “tough shit, should been born rich enough for the rules not to apply to you.”

My grandpa served in WW2, and back then they told themselves they were fighting to keep the world safe for democracy. I respect that service a lot. Whether you believe that’s naive, or that the US is a flawed democracy or that democracy isn’t worth it, you have to admit that the most ignominious way it could end is by a felon upending democracy and the rule of law simply to save his own ass from prison.

[Joshe]

For his supporters who aren't Christians or full on cultists and low IQ, they can't admit Trump's devilry in it's entirety because he's an expression of something they like. Whether it's racism, bullying and name calling, or attacking people and things they despise, which gives them a thrill.

Essentially, they unconsciously choose cheap thrills over the truth and they can't see it because that's how bias works. 

They choose appearance over essence for a reason. It's more they don't want to see it rather than they can't see it. It's possibly the largest delusion of our time. 

I've found no better explanation of the phenomenon than this, but this doesn't include the full on retards/cultists. 

[Husseinisdoingfine]

On 10/25/2024 at 3:30 PM, MrTruf said:

Zion Don

This is an anti-Semitic meme which began on 4chan.

[sholomar]

I always see developed people bash the "sheep" as though they are low information lemmings plugged into the matrix, but I'm convinced a lot of normal people are more developed than people into "personal development" as all the major authors talk about rolling with the punches, acceptance of what you cannot change, and not taking a victim mentality, all the opposite of around 75% here do. Rather than a personal development forum this is more of a left wing politics forum in my opinion. 

Stage green know they are green, act like they are green, and seemingly unable to change their behavior or world view, which I find fascinating. The strong emotional investment I find equally fascinating. They seemingly can't understand why people would vote for Trump, a characteristic of Tier 1 thinking.  Just fascinating the reaction to Trump's victory. The model works!

They may have genuine reasons to be worried about Trump though... I guess time will tell, because he's here to stay.

Edited November 8 by sholomar

[Schizophonia]

Because spirituality attracts leftist people.

I hung out on a forum mainly dedicated to nutrition and biochemistry and everyone was pro-Trump.

Edited November 8 by Schizophonia

[Joshe]

1 hour ago, sholomar said:

I always see developed people bash the "sheep" as though they are low information lemmings plugged into the matrix, but I'm convinced a lot of normal people are more developed than people into "personal development" as all the major authors talk about rolling with the punches, acceptance of what you cannot change, and not taking a victim mentality, all the opposite of around 75% here do. Rather than a personal development forum this is more of a left wing politics forum in my opinion. 

You mistake conceptualizing and hashing things out as not accepting the thing. Why?

I fully accept what happened and am not in emotional upheaval whatsoever. I can talk about "negative" things without coming from a negative place or becoming negative myself. You assume others can't because that's not how you operate.

1 hour ago, sholomar said:

Stage green know they are green, act like they are green, and seemingly unable to change their behavior or world view, which I find fascinating. The strong emotional investment I find equally fascinating. They seemingly can't understand why people would vote for Trump, a characteristic of Tier 1 thinking.  Just fascinating the reaction to Trump's victory. The model works!

How do you think a stage yellow person would discuss Trumpism? What would it look like to you? If a stage yellow person has concluded that Trump is a full on con artist and his supporters are fools, does that make them not yellow? Also, do stage yellow people ever express emotions? Do they experience frustration? If they do, are they supposed to go to their cushion and calm themselves? 

Do you think all anti-Trump talk is stage green. Stage yellow can see Trump clearly and since they care about the world, if they think Trumpism is a huge threat to it, don't be surprised when intelligent people have conversations about it. 

1 hour ago, sholomar said:

They may have genuine reasons to be worried about Trump though... I guess time will tell, because he's here to stay.

Stage yellow wouldn't be "worried". At least, I'm not worried. I harp on my family about their diets, not because I'm worried about them dying, but because I care about them and don't want them to suffer. They often tell me I worry too much, but they mistake looking ahead to prevent catastrophe for worrying. It's not being afraid or worrying that catastrophe will come, it's simply being proactive in avoiding it.

I can easily see how people conclude that people like myself or Sam Harris or Leo have "TDS". It has to do with being able to see things clearly AND caring about bad things not happening. It is not about sitting around in fear of those bad things. It's more to do with the frustration of people playing with fire and ignoring reality, and the negativity comes from the frustration of trying to get them to see it. It's not worry or fear. Although, that is probably the case for stage green. 

Edited November 8 by Joshe

[Emerald]

On 10/25/2024 at 3:30 PM, MrTruf said:

I don't believe any of you claiming he's some big fascist mastermind who will corrupt everything and everyone, actually believe it, do ya? Do you actually believe that your country's system and institutions are so fragile? Do you actually believe the country like US would be gambled every 4 years?

Why is it inconceivable to you that people (including myself) actually think he's a Fascist that will rule as a Fascist?

Have you never opened up a history book? Do you not know the warning signs of Fascism? Do you believe that it's impossible to happen in the contemporary first world? Do you not realize that the systems of checks on his power has already been significantly eroded since the last time he was in office?

Let's just be honest and call his rhetoric what it is... Fascist authoritarian rhetoric.

And when people tell you who they are, it's unwise not to read the writing on the wall.

When he says things like immigrants are "poisoning the blood of the nation" (Hitler quote) and that he wants to do a mass deportation... and engages in all sorts of rhetoric to sew fear in the "other".... what makes you think he won't act on that if it's politically possible and expedient for him?

And he himself isn't necessarily a Fascist ideologue... but he need not be to rule as a Fascist. Fascism is the way to rile up the populace because a LOT of people crave and clamor for authoritarian Fascism so that they have an all-powerful father figure to obey and a big group of scapegoats to take their anger out on.

Trump himself only cares about power and unquestioning fealty to him. And one way that he can get more power and fealty is by ruling as a dictator. And given that his powerful influential compatriots are people who are on the far right, it isn't an unfounded fear to believe that he will rule as a Fascist dictator.

And currently, the Supreme Court has ruled for presidential immunity. And the plans in Project 2025 are geared towards Unitary Executive Theory and having Trump stack the government with Trump loyalists, so that he doesn't have as many checks and balances on his power..

And look around the world. You will find Fascism rising everywhere.

It's honestly silly that you don't believe people when they tell you they're concerned about Fascism.

I can believe that you don't think he's a Fascist, because people always doubt Fascism until it's too late because they think "It can't happen here". But I can't believe that you don't believe others think he's a Fascist.

[Average Actualizer]

2 hours ago, Emerald said:

Why is it inconceivable to you that people (including myself) actually think he's a Fascist that will rule as a Fascist?

Have you never opened up a history book? Do you not know the warning signs of Fascism? Do you believe that it's impossible to happen in the contemporary first world? Do you not realize that the systems of checks on his power has already been significantly eroded since the last time he was in office?

Let's just be honest and call his rhetoric what it is... Fascist authoritarian rhetoric.

And when people tell you who they are, it's unwise not to read the writing on the wall.

When he says things like immigrants are "poisoning the blood of the nation" (Hitler quote) and that he wants to do a mass deportation... and engages in all sorts of rhetoric to sew fear in the "other".... what makes you think he won't act on that if it's politically possible and expedient for him?

And he himself isn't necessarily a Fascist ideologue... but he need not be to rule as a Fascist. Fascism is the way to rile up the populace because a LOT of people crave and clamor for authoritarian Fascism so that they have an all-powerful father figure to obey and a big group of scapegoats to take their anger out on.

Trump himself only cares about power and unquestioning fealty to him. And one way that he can get more power and fealty is by ruling as a dictator. And given that his powerful influential compatriots are people who are on the far right, it isn't an unfounded fear to believe that he will rule as a Fascist dictator.

And currently, the Supreme Court has ruled for presidential immunity. And the plans in Project 2025 are geared towards Unitary Executive Theory and having Trump stack the government with Trump loyalists, so that he doesn't have as many checks and balances on his power..

And look around the world. You will find Fascism rising everywhere.

It's honestly silly that you don't believe people when they tell you they're concerned about Fascism.

I can believe that you don't think he's a Fascist, because people always doubt Fascism until it's too late because they think "It can't happen here". But I can't believe that you don't believe others think he's a Fascist.

Most immigrants are poisoning the blood of the country both literally and figuratively, they are immigrants of other races and cultures, there is nothing wrong with wanting your country to keep the same theme of people, most countries on the planet want to keep their race and culture which is more than understandable, this is basic survival 101. Society usually gradually collapses when a wave of underdeveloped people (in comparison to the people of the country they are coming to) come to their country, as we're seeing in US and across Europe.

He says that he wants to do mass deportation but those are just words, it will be practically impossible to pull this off, there are too many illegals that have entered the country, he will maybe manage to deport 10% of them in his 4 years so this problem is unfixable.

Trump doesn't only care about the power, that's such a cartoonish view of him, if he did he wouldn't be owned by the jews in the first place and they wouldn't have control over him as the president.

Project 2025 isn't happening, it's true that Project 2025 is made by his loyalists but those are his former loyalists, he betrayed most of them and is now under governance of jews, he is surrounded by jews or by jew elected people and jews obviously wouldn't want a Christian nation with Christian qualities for obvious reasons, and also because the support for Isreal would be cut off and Isreal would be f'd.

Ultimately he may be a slight fascist but he doesn't have the power to execute any changes he would actually want to make, he is a zionist pawn and was in the previous term as well, so americans have nothing to worry about, from that perspective at least.

Edited November 9 by Average Actualizer