How is it to be an average person?

[Carl-Richard]

13 minutes ago, zurew said:

Lets narrow things down, do you mean something like: There is a set (for example humanity), and there are members of that set and each member has a quality with a certain number assigned to it (for example spiritual development or income or strength or IQ) and average would just mean literally the mathematical average or being close to that mathematical average of a given quality.

So the sum of all member's quality divided by the number of people who are in that set.

I bet OP did not have this in mind but rather thought about one or a few features of themselves that they consider out of the norm and wondered how it would be to not have those things. If it was not so painfully personal, I would ask what those things are.

Edited October 26 by Carl-Richard

[Keryo Koffa]

@zurew Here's my definition: The degree to which one subconsciously adopts behaviors and identity due to one's environment, in opposition to self-aware individuation. It's a tricky gradient because after breaking out of one paradigm, you might get stuck in the next. Someone who is initially a pioneer of nuance may become the average later. Average is not even a bad thing in itself though, only when left for too long by itself, it loses the ability to adapt, like a system that's been taken for granted. The average is akin to a calcified form of energy.

[zurew]

3 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

I bet OP did not have this in mind but rather thought about one or a few features of themselves that they consider out of the norm and wondered how it would be to not have those things.

So something like rather than comparing certain qualities that all members have , you check for qualities that you have that most members don't have and check for qualities that most member have but you lack?

[Carl-Richard]

5 minutes ago, Keryo Koffa said:

@zurew Here's my definition: The degree to which one subconsciously adopts behaviors and identity due to one's environment, in opposition to self-aware individuation.

What if I do that and have 160 IQ and six fingers on each hand and six middle fingers and three arms? 6 6 6 (don't get lost in the joke, it was a sincere point 🙂).

Edited October 26 by Carl-Richard

[zurew]

9 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

What if I do that and have 160 IQ and six fingers on each hand and six middle fingers and three arms? 6 6 6

Is that a self report? 

Ok , im gonna stop derailing.

 

@Carl-Richard Btw I agree with you , that she gave a very narrow definition that doesn't really encapsulate what I would mean by average in an abstract sense and I would even make the claim that the definition she gave is too narrow compared to what most people would mean by the phrase.

@Keryo Koffa Btw its all fine to have this definition, it is just that we need to be careful not to misunderstand you when you use the phrase "average".

But im sure you would agree that your definition is very different from how most people use that phrase, right?

Edited October 26 by zurew

[Sugarcoat]

37 minutes ago, zurew said:

I know, im just fcking with you.

Lets narrow things down, do you mean something like: There is a set (for example humanity), and there are members of that set and each member has a quality with a certain number assigned to it (for example spiritual development or income or strength or IQ) and average would just mean literally the mathematical average or being close to that mathematical average of a given quality.

So the sum of all member's quality divided by the number of people who are in that set.

 

Is that somewhat close to what you have in mind by the term average?

Could mean that. I just “sense” average people intuitively rather than thinking in mathematical terms but ofc that would probably be true too.

[Sugarcoat]

25 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

I bet OP did not have this in mind but rather thought about one or a few features of themselves that they consider out of the norm and wondered how it would be to not have those things. If it was not so painfully personal, I would ask what those things are.

True. I wrote about what some of them were in a reply. 

[zurew]

10 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Could mean that. I just “sense” average people intuitively rather than thinking in mathematical terms but ofc that would probably be true too.

Yeah, I didnt meant that it needs to be something extremely precise. The reason why I brought up this definition or way of thinking about this is because under it is clear what the relationship between qualities are and how they relate to each other, but this way of thinking allows for (the content of things that relate to each other) to be vague.

So for example, the definition for spiritual development can be something vague, the point is to be consistent with the method that you use when you judge a given quality (at least under this way of thinking).

Edited October 26 by zurew

[Sugarcoat]

1 minute ago, zurew said:

Yeah, I didnt meant that it needs to be something extremely precise. The reason why I brought up this definition or way of thinking about this is because under it is clear what the relationship between things and how they relate to each other, but this way of thinking allows for (the content of things that relate to each other) to be vague.

So for example the definition for spiritual development can be something vaguely the point is to be consistent with the method that you use, when you judge that quality.

Ok I see

[Keryo Koffa]

20 minutes ago, zurew said:

@Keryo Koffa Btw its all fine to have this definition, it is just that we need to be careful not to misunderstand you when you use the phrase "average". But im sure you would agree that your definition is very different from how most people use that phrase, right?

Google: definition normal

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normal
/ˈnɔːml/

adjective

1. conforming to a standard; usual, typical, or expected.
   "it's quite normal for puppies to bolt their food"

Similar: (usual)  (standard)  (typical)  (stock)  (common)  (ordinary)  (customary)

@zurew Well, you wouldn't have been satisfied with the normal definition, because it would be "too vague", so I added a framwork to establish what leads to "normal" and I think it overlaps quite well.

 

[zurew]

11 minutes ago, Keryo Koffa said:

@zurew Well, you wouldn't have been satisfied with the normal definition, because it would be "too vague", so I added a framwork to establish what leads to "normal" and I think it overlaps quite well.

It does overlap and thats compatible with what I said.

My issue wasn't that it doesn't have any overlap with how normally it is defined, it is that it is too narrow and doesn't have enough overlap with it. 

Think of it like this: If I would ask whats your definition for 4 legged beings ? and then you would give a definition that only describes horses and exclude all other 4 legged animals and beings. - that case I would say the same thing, my issue wouldn't be that there isn't any overlap, the issue is that the overlap is too small.

But again this is just my personal preference, so you dont have to take it seriously and the other thing is that your definition doesn't have to align with how a definition is normally used.

Edited October 26 by zurew

[QandC]

You tell me

[Keryo Koffa]

@zurew Ooh, that's cool, actually, totally agree there. I thought you wanted a regular style definition. Sugarcoat points to an extremely specific distinction that is intuitively known and cued if one has previously experienced a resonant state of mind. Words are pointers, definitions tend to end up pretty circular and circumstantially defined by perception-biased distinctions for that reason while the infinite complexity escapes it.

When I think of normal, I think of a gradient and tendency to adopt popular behavior based on resonance, in opposition to learning and iterating over oneself using meta-cognition. It's a more technical perspective and essentially one point on the surface of a sphere, whose center is the very aspect being pointed towards, and any amount of distinctions can be used to shift the point of the surface or even get closer.

But the epicenter, that is the pointed-to thing itself is an intuitive qualia, specific and definite, akin to Leo's "Aha-Moments", you have to get it, to feel it directly, to "get it", and some are attuned more to the pointers of others, while others can try to approximate it cognitively and angrily argue ad infinitum, that's seen across spirituality and science a lot.

It's interesting how qualities get encoded and used in our mind to relate to others, how sometimes we miss them and are lost in cognition, and I wonder how this "native acquiring" works and how we get to experience and codify these experientially in the first place, a pointer to the circumstances that tend to generate "pointed-tos".

[Elton]

I am an average guy had a dream of being extra ordinary but I feel Im far away from it and it's useless to pursue it, I now feel like I was born to be average and this cannot change.

Average income 

Average looks (hopefully)

Average mindset

Average knowledge 

Average skills 

 

[Sugarcoat]

3 minutes ago, Elton said:

I am an average guy had a dream of being extra ordinary but I feel Im far away from it and it's useless to pursue it, I now feel like I was born to be average and this cannot change.

Average income 

Average looks (hopefully)

Average mindset

Average knowledge 

Average skills 

 

Nothing wrong with being average

[Spiritual Warfare]

Just now, Sugarcoat said:

Nothing wrong with being average

Yes, it is, and it becomes very difficult for them to have sex😡

[Keryo Koffa]

2 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Nothing wrong with being average

8 minutes ago, Elton said:

I am an average guy had a dream of being extra ordinary but I feel Im far away from it and it's useless to pursue it, I now feel like I was born to be average and this cannot change.

3 minutes ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

Yes, it is, and it becomes very difficult for them to have sex😡

The grass is always greener

on the other side??

[Spiritual Warfare]

4 minutes ago, Keryo Koffa said:

The grass is always greener

on the other side??

That’s just because they’re using Instagram filters.

 

[QandC]

In my belief I think that everyone has a zone of genius they can tap into. But it requires you to gain a lot of experience in life and to do it very consciously. I've discovered mine quite recently after many years, and now I'm working on applying it into every aspect of my life.

So there is no average person, but if you compare an individual to a certain societal standard, then sure you can judge based on that. Still I think you have to work hard for it, you can't just lock yourself into your fears. An identity is not a constant thing, it changes and goes through certain stages. 

It might be a bit selfish to make yourself believe you're an above-average person, as long as it stays as a belief. I like to think of people as a catalyst or whatever you wanna call it, for the universe's expression. The more awakened you become, the more connected you become to infinite intelligence, and your zone of genius will be there without effort.

[Sugarcoat]

2 minutes ago, QandC said:

In my belief I think that everyone has a zone of genius they can tap into. But it requires you to gain a lot of experience in life and to do it very consciously. I've discovered mine quite recently after many years, and now I'm working on applying it into every aspect of my life.

So there is no average person, but if you compare an individual to a certain societal standard, then sure you can judge based on that. Still I think you have to work hard for it, you can't just lock yourself into your fears. An identity is not a constant thing, it changes and goes through certain stages. 

It might be a bit selfish to make yourself believe you're an above-average person, as long as it stays as a belief. I like to think of people as a catalyst or whatever you wanna call it, for the universe's expression. The more awakened you become, the more connected you become to infinite intelligence, and your zone of genius will be there without effort.

I still belive there is such a thing as average people. Being “not average” doesn’t mean above average per se one could have a mental disorder. For example I’m not average, I have severe mental things going on. The average person doesn’t have that.

I don’t know if everyone is genius in something..