Why so many women have rape fantasies

[Javfly33]

Today I read one woman would go out alone at nigh just because the threat / fear of getting raped literally would make her come back home wet 😱

 

This is my take Im not saying is because of this but IMO women are more vulnerable in the physical aspect so rationally in his real acts she has much more precautions in regards to who she sleeps with (or just interacts with) than men, yet at the fantasy level the arousal happens at the complete opposite: being helpless and 'used' by the most pig/depraved men on the planet.... 

A similar scenario in men would be female domination or feminization fantasies...Rationally as a man you want to feel in control and strong but the mind finds arousal again in the oppositte: removing any trait of masculinity and self respect and being weak and being dominated.

 

Is all about the strong dualities the mind constructs which have to come off at some point to relieve stress I guess.

[Princess Arabia]

18 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

: being helpless and 'used' by the most pig/depraved men on the planet...

You have turned this fantasy into your own interpretation of it and are applying your own way of seeing the men she's fantasizing about and your ideas of them. This is how we're living our lives. Through thoughts, ideas and concepts about reality and not how it actually is. I'm pointing this out as an example of how the constructs get deeper and deeper and the illusion sticks. 

She might not see herself being helpless and used but being empowered and in a position over him because he has to take something to fulfill a need. He isn't strong or empowered enough to get it on his own through his own strength. She doesn't see them as pig depraved, you do, she doesn't actually want to be raped, you're viewing her fantasy through your lens and how you perceive being raped. I'm not saying she perceives the act of rape in a positive light and wants to get raped. The act is not what excites her, it's what implies to her. The power dynamic goes both ways here; he feels powerful by taking it and she feels powerful (not in the actual act, but what the fantasy represents) she feels powerful that he needs to take it. That he's not worthy on his own accord. He's willing to commit such an atrocious act and that it must be worth something to him so bad he will kill for it - so -to speak. It is twisted on both ends.

[Keryo Koffa]

@Spiritual Warfare @Javfly33 I think you two are on the same frequency 😁

[Hojo]

Shell be wet until it happens. Then see that glorifying something like that is bad news. Someone is taking something from you not physical when raped. Someone will rile up self created negative emotions and then give them away to the rapist only to be haunted by the hole those emotions left.

[Schizophonia]

@Javfly33
 

Because women are more anxious and emotional, they put more energy to protecting their ego ; They in fine indentify themselves more as an electrical energetic structure than magnetical. 
So the sexual excitation come from the resistance to being dominated and identified to other egos, and the culminant point, the orgasme, is the acceptation of the selfless place by the ego.

It’s of course the opposite for men.

17 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

in control and strong but the mind

Nooo, being in control is precisely what puts you in a feminine energetic stricture, with a feminin unconfident behaviour, feminine sexual fantasies etc.

Being masculine is not about controlling, it's about accepting. Being masculine is not accepting being something immense and untouchable, it is accepting being a tiny ant.

 

[Schizophonia]

16 hours ago, Keryo Koffa said:

@Spiritual Warfare @Javfly33 I think you two are on the same frequency 😁

We are one.

[Buck Edwards]

I have rape fantasies whenever I want to feel masculine controlling my emotion. Also conquering my feminine surrender. 

[Spiritual Warfare]

21 hours ago, Keryo Koffa said:

@Spiritual Warfare @Javfly33 I think you two are on the same frequency 😁

Definitely.

[enchanted]

On 24/10/2024 at 2:36 PM, Princess Arabia said:

You have turned this fantasy into your own interpretation of it and are applying your own way of seeing the men she's fantasizing about and your ideas of them. This is how we're living our lives. Through thoughts, ideas and concepts about reality and not how it actually is. I'm pointing this out as an example of how the constructs get deeper and deeper and the illusion sticks. 

She might not see herself being helpless and used but being empowered and in a position over him because he has to take something to fulfill a need. He isn't strong or empowered enough to get it on his own through his own strength. She doesn't see them as pig depraved, you do, she doesn't actually want to be raped, you're viewing her fantasy through your lens and how you perceive being raped. I'm not saying she perceives the act of rape in a positive light and wants to get raped. The act is not what excites her, it's what implies to her. The power dynamic goes both ways here; he feels powerful by taking it and she feels powerful (not in the actual act, but what the fantasy represents) she feels powerful that he needs to take it. That he's not worthy on his own accord. He's willing to commit such an atrocious act and that it must be worth something to him so bad he will kill for it - so -to speak. It is twisted on both ends.

There's a paradigm shift if I ever heard one. Women give great advice on how to get good with women.  don't just take advice from other men. 

Edited October 29 by enchanted

[Emerald]

On 10/24/2024 at 2:04 PM, Javfly33 said:

Today I read one woman would go out alone at nigh just because the threat / fear of getting raped literally would make her come back home wet 😱

This is my take Im not saying is because of this but IMO women are more vulnerable in the physical aspect so rationally in his real acts she has much more precautions in regards to who she sleeps with (or just interacts with) than men, yet at the fantasy level the arousal happens at the complete opposite: being helpless and 'used' by the most pig/depraved men on the planet.... 

A similar scenario in men would be female domination or feminization fantasies...Rationally as a man you want to feel in control and strong but the mind finds arousal again in the oppositte: removing any trait of masculinity and self respect and being weak and being dominated.

 

Is all about the strong dualities the mind constructs which have to come off at some point to relieve stress I guess.

I've thought about this question before. And I have some interesting perspectives on it.

Now, I wouldn't call my fantasies rape fantasies... though I'd say my fantasies of this nature are rape-adjacent fantasies.

I have never have been much turned on by the idea of some stranger in the bushes taking advantage. These things aren't themselves exciting to me as you don't control who does it... and I wouldn't be attracted to a guy who would do it. 

And a guy who would lurk in the bushes is definitionally unattractive from my perspective as he has low standards of ethical behavior and doesn't have to overcome his moral code to push his will onto me... as his moral code is already weak.

That's probably why I don't have 100% rape fantasies as these logistical realities block my mind from fantasizing about it without thinking about "Yeah, but this guy is a weirdo with low development and faulty moral compass." 

So, the realism in my fantasies prevents me from a 100% rape fantasy. Like I can't allow myself to imagine a situation I would have attraction issues with in real life. Like, I can't imagine a sexy rapist whose personality I want to experience that way.

That said, there can be a vulnerability that is felt in these types of rape and rape-adjacent, agency-loss fantasies. And this vulnerability requires surrender to a force that's bigger and stronger than you to happen.

And a rape fantasy explores a type of extreme surrender and letting go where your agency is ripped from you, and you're left feeling raw and open like your soft under-belly is exposed... of which reality doesn't give you as many opportunities to experience where you don't have to fight forward because of being in a very fast-paced Masculine principled society.

And experiencing this surrender is like if your sense of autonomy and agency suddenly goes into retrograde.

But since the rape fantasy is a fantasy, you are also the orchestrator of the entire thing as it is going on 100% in your own mind. You are the puppet-master that's totally in control of the fantasy.

Like both the rapist and yourself, in the fantasy, are like your personal barbie dolls that you are controlling and making them interact a certain way.

So, a rape fantasy is an interesting scenario where you are TOTALLY 100% in control of the rapist, but vividly imagining the rapist ripping all the control away from you.

So, you get the safety of the control of the fantasy AND the illusion of the loss of control and the vulnerability and rawness of that illusion.

But like I said, I haven't really had rape fantasies for the reasons I've mentioned above about the rapist not having a moral compass to overcome.

The fantasies that I've had are more like extreme dominance fantasies where there is a total submission and relinquishing of personal agency and an unconditional receptivity to and absorption of any and all decisions actions (sex-wise and mildly violence-wise) that my male partner enacts upon me.... and giving my male partner all the agency to have executive control over me within the sexual context so that I can experience surrender, trust, anticipation, vulnerability, and surprise, which is not possible when you're controlling and orchestrating the sexual scenario. And so, he can experience leadership, dominance, confidence, validation, freedom, self-trust, a feeling of being appreciated and trusted/respected, and a sense of Masculine power and desirability.

And being in that space of unconditional receptivity to the whims of my partner pushes some really emotionally charged buttons that are felt sexually but also in the heart space as there is a sense of merging with him and sublimating my will into his for a time. And there comes this general feeling of being open for life to be.

And there is an excitement of the idea of seeing him overcome by his own instincts to where he connects to his own inner-scoundrel despite being a warm, kind, and caring man who is conflicted about allowing himself to be a scoundrel. (Hence why I can't get turned on by the idea of being raped by an actual rapist, as the rapist doesn't have as many ethical boundaries to overcome to allow himself to be a scoundrel with me. I wouldn't actually be creating a positive transformative experience for the rapist.)

But in my allowing space for a man of high ethics to get in touch with his inner scoundrel, is where I get to feel the power in the real life situation of the enactment of this fantasy, as it allows space for my partner to tune deeply into his own will without having to tip toe around mine... where he may typically have a tendency to tip toe around the wills of others to avoid feeling like the "bad guy".

And this unconditional surrender enables me to have the power to be a kind of mediatrix that both tempts him towards his lesser devils because of his desire but also provides him space to be in touch with and integrated with the dark parts of himself that he may feel ashamed of... and for him to receive validation (sexual and otherwise) for those parts so that he can integrate the libidinal spark of allowing himself to temporarily be the "bad guy" who ties the woman to the railroad tracks.

And in this process, I get to ride the wave of his personality... while also experiencing parts of himself that he otherwise doesn't have space to explore and deepening the intimacy in turn.

So, there's a lot of interesting kind of dynamics there that I can see play out in a rape fantasy... but that (of course) wouldn't be the way an actual rape is experienced as there is no safety or power feeling in being victimized that way.

[Leo Gura]

It's simple:

Feminine = surrender

[Nemra]

Because they feel exposed, less in control and belong to someone.

The idea of surrender is arousing. To me as well.

Edited November 7 by Nemra

[Etherial Cat]

25 minutes ago, Emerald said:

I've thought about this question before. And I have some interesting perspectives on it.

Now, I wouldn't call my fantasies rape fantasies... though I'd say my fantasies of this nature are rape-adjacent fantasies.

I have never have been much turned on by the idea of some stranger in the bushes taking advantage. These things aren't themselves exciting to me as you don't control who does it... and I wouldn't be attracted to a guy who would do it. 

And a guy who would lurk in the bushes is definitionally unattractive from my perspective as he has low standards of ethical behavior and doesn't have to overcome his moral code to push his will onto me... as his moral code is already weak.

That's probably why I don't have 100% rape fantasies as these logistical realities block my mind from fantasizing about it without thinking about "Yeah, but this guy is a weirdo with low development and faulty moral compass." 

So, the realism in my fantasies prevents me from a 100% rape fantasy. Like I can't allow myself to imagine a situation I would have attraction issues with in real life. Like, I can't imagine a sexy rapist whose personality I want to experience that way.

That said, there can be a vulnerability that is felt in these types of rape and rape-adjacent, agency-loss fantasies. And this vulnerability requires surrender to a force that's bigger and stronger than you to happen.

And a rape fantasy explores a type of extreme surrender and letting go where your agency is ripped from you, and you're left feeling raw and open like your soft under-belly is exposed... of which reality doesn't give you as many opportunities to experience where you don't have to fight forward because of being in a very fast-paced Masculine principled society.

And experiencing this surrender is like if your sense of autonomy and agency suddenly goes into retrograde.

But since the rape fantasy is a fantasy, you are also the orchestrator of the entire thing as it is going on 100% in your own mind. You are the puppet-master that's totally in control of the fantasy.

Like both the rapist and yourself, in the fantasy, are like your personal barbie dolls that you are controlling and making them interact a certain way.

So, a rape fantasy is an interesting scenario where you are TOTALLY 100% in control of the rapist, but vividly imagining the rapist ripping all the control away from you.

So, you get the safety of the control of the fantasy AND the illusion of the loss of control and the vulnerability and rawness of that illusion.

But like I said, I haven't really had rape fantasies for the reasons I've mentioned above about the rapist not having a moral compass to overcome.

The fantasies that I've had are more like extreme dominance fantasies where there is a total submission and relinquishing of personal agency and an unconditional receptivity to and absorption of any and all decisions actions (sex-wise and mildly violence-wise) that my male partner enacts upon me.... and giving my male partner all the agency to have executive control over me within the sexual context so that I can experience surrender, trust, anticipation, vulnerability, and surprise, which is not possible when you're controlling and orchestrating the sexual scenario. And so, he can experience leadership, dominance, confidence, validation, freedom, self-trust, a feeling of being appreciated and trusted/respected, and a sense of Masculine power and desirability.

And being in that space of unconditional receptivity to the whims of my partner pushes some really emotionally charged buttons that are felt sexually but also in the heart space as there is a sense of merging with him and sublimating my will into his for a time. And there comes this general feeling of being open for life to be.

And there is an excitement of the idea of seeing him overcome by his own instincts to where he connects to his own inner-scoundrel despite being a warm, kind, and caring man who is conflicted about allowing himself to be a scoundrel. (Hence why I can't get turned on by the idea of being raped by an actual rapist, as the rapist doesn't have as many ethical boundaries to overcome to allow himself to be a scoundrel with me. I wouldn't actually be creating a positive transformative experience for the rapist.)

But in my allowing space for a man of high ethics to get in touch with his inner scoundrel, is where I get to feel the power in the real life situation of the enactment of this fantasy, as it allows space for my partner to tune deeply into his own will without having to tip toe around mine... where he may typically have a tendency to tip toe around the wills of others to avoid feeling like the "bad guy".

And this unconditional surrender enables me to have the power to be a kind of mediatrix that both tempts him towards his lesser devils because of his desire but also provides him space to be in touch with and integrated with the dark parts of himself that he may feel ashamed of... and for him to receive validation (sexual and otherwise) for those parts so that he can integrate the libidinal spark of allowing himself to temporarily be the "bad guy" who ties the woman to the railroad tracks.

And in this process, I get to ride the wave of his personality... while also experiencing parts of himself that he otherwise doesn't have space to explore and deepening the intimacy in turn.

So, there's a lot of interesting kind of dynamics there that I can see play out in a rape fantasy... but that (of course) wouldn't be the way an actual rape is experienced as there is no safety or power feeling in being victimized that way.

Yo woman, start writing some erotica please. 
 

17 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It's simple:

Feminine = surrender

I also see a component of being forcibly put in the position of the Beloved archetype.

__

All of that contribute to psychological homeostasis to compensate a deep need that isn't met. Feels like a coping mechanism to me to achieve that result.

[Emerald]

33 minutes ago, Etherial Cat said:

Yo woman, start writing some erotica please. 
 

I also see a component of being forcibly put in the position of the Beloved archetype.
 

Haha. I think I could write some good erotica if I focus on all the psychological dynamics between the characters. I'd just have to avoid all the weird synonyms for body parts that erotica writers use when they over-focus towards the physical element of sex.  

And yes, I'd say it is a bit like being forced into the Beloved archetype as it is about being rather than doing. And to have your agency stripped away locks you into the Beloved position where you can't even access doing-ness of your own accord.

[Etherial Cat]

6 minutes ago, Emerald said:

Haha. I think I could write some good erotica if I focus on all the psychological dynamics between the characters. I'd just have to avoid all the weird synonyms for body parts that erotica writers use when they over-focus towards the physical element of sex.  

The cringe of the blossoming flower and the yikes. 

I got some adds for AI voice erotica recently (it was pretty cool and not at all robotic). I didn't use the product but would probably have been dying of laughter if I'd heard some dude using typical erotica body parts lingo. 

[Emerald]

4 minutes ago, Etherial Cat said:

The cringe of the blossoming flower and the yikes. 

I got some adds for AI voice erotica recently (it was pretty cool and not at all robotic). I didn't use the product but would probably have been dying of laughter if I'd heard some dude using typical erotica body parts lingo. 

Yep. I don't need to hear about how Johnny plowed Susan's fuzzy snap dragon.  

[Leo Gura]

Shucking bearded clams is the prefered nomenclature.

Edited November 7 by Leo Gura

[Etherial Cat]

19 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Shucking bearded clams is the perfered nomencalture.

Ladies and gentleman, the Tolstoy (of joy) of erotica... 

Edited November 7 by Etherial Cat

[MAHAVATAR_-_BABAJI]

On 10/24/2024 at 2:04 PM, Javfly33 said:

Today I read one woman would go out alone at nigh just because the threat / fear of getting raped literally would make her come back home wet 😱

 

This is my take Im not saying is because of this but IMO women are more vulnerable in the physical aspect so rationally in his real acts she has much more precautions in regards to who she sleeps with (or just interacts with) than men, yet at the fantasy level the arousal happens at the complete opposite: being helpless and 'used' by the most pig/depraved men on the planet.... 

A similar scenario in men would be female domination or feminization fantasies...Rationally as a man you want to feel in control and strong but the mind finds arousal again in the oppositte: removing any trait of masculinity and self respect and being weak and being dominated.

 

Is all about the strong dualities the mind constructs which have to come off at some point to relieve stress I guess.

I'd love for a female to dominate me. Make me ejaculate and then keep stroking me, giving me post orgasm torture, as I'm tied town by rope and have no option but to "take it" for 10-30 minutes. Or have a women choke me or rape me. I love femdom.

[Emerald]

49 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Shucking bearded clams is the prefered nomenclature.

I see we have a seasoned erotica writer in our midst.