Clarence

Voting For Trump

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1 hour ago, Joshe said:

There is no flaw. I did not say everyone who is anti-abortion is a non-thinking sheep. I said, "generally speaking". You keep dancing around the point. 

Ah, my bad, I see you did include that qualifier.

1 hour ago, Joshe said:

What do you make of the fact that before political strategists manipulated the Christians into caring about abortion, evangelical Christians were not concerned with it?

Without performing my own due diligence of research, and assuming you're correct about the origins of the concept involving the immoral nature of abortion in Christians' minds, I do concede that it was a dirty and manipulative trick by powerful people to gain more power. I don't know if we can say whether what occurred at that time is solely responsible for the prevailing Christian attitude today, but it sounds like I'd have a difficult time arguing it didn't at least light a spark. Something tells me that particular group would have landed on the opinion anyway, but maybe that's just because I'm so used to seeing it now.

1 hour ago, Joshe said:

I'm not saying there are no good arguments for these positions. I'm saying that the majority who support them are doing so out of unconscious mimetic behavior, propaganda, and things like this.

I think we can find some agreement here, with the main difference likely being in the ratios of how many we're saying are afflicted on the right. I can even agree that it possibly is a majority, but I'd lean closer to 60/40, and I get the sense you'd claim something like 99%. I think the online world paints a picture of our worst selves, and it becomes easy to judge that shadow as the reality.

1 hour ago, Joshe said:

Do you personally know any right wingers? If you do, this should all be obvious.

I do, but only a couple of the small-minded type you're describing. An old friend of mine from my childhood is annoyingly Christian, and some of the behaviors you've listed are often on display in him. Even in his case though, there's a depth in his type that I bet you're missing. We are still talking about a human being here, with roots that go as metaphysically deep as yours or mine. It's possible that an excessive amount of othering can obscure the value of someone we've come to believe is useless or even dangerous.

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1 hour ago, What Am I said:

I get the sense you'd claim something like 99%

Close.. I'd put it at ~95% just to be cautious. 😂 


If truth is the guide, there's no need for ideology, right or left. 

Maturity in discussion means the ability to separate ideas from identity so one can easily recognize new, irrefutable information as valid, and to fully integrate it into one’s perspective—even if it challenges deeply held beliefs. Both recognition and integration are crucial: the former acknowledges truth, while the latter ensures we are guided by it. 

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@Fearey haha, that's hilarious. 


If truth is the guide, there's no need for ideology, right or left. 

Maturity in discussion means the ability to separate ideas from identity so one can easily recognize new, irrefutable information as valid, and to fully integrate it into one’s perspective—even if it challenges deeply held beliefs. Both recognition and integration are crucial: the former acknowledges truth, while the latter ensures we are guided by it. 

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On 10/24/2024 at 11:54 AM, Clarence said:

I'm not American and I don't study politics, but I just came across this text on Facebook from someone I met when I lived in the US. I just wanted to share it because I am shocked.

I can't believe how people can be so ignorant and blind. I feel like no amount of talking could take them out of their wrong view.

Here is the text:

«  Someone recently asked me why I like Trump. My answer was that I don't really like a lot of things about Trump.  

But this election is not about choosing the most likeable person. 

We are voting between two vastly different ideologies. We are voting for the country we want to leave our children and grandchildren. 

Trump represents that future and has proven that he can deliver. He is a patriot to the core and even served his country for 4 years without pay.

That moment when someone says, 
"I can't believe you're voting for Trump". I simply reply, “I'm NOT voting for Trump.”

I'm voting for the First Amendment and freedom of speech. I'm voting for the right to speak my opinion and not be censored. 

I’m voting for secure borders and LEGAL immigration. I am voting for election integrity to include mandatory voter ID.  (Why would anyone vote against this?)

I'm voting for the Second Amendment and my right to defend my life and my family.

I'm voting for the police to be respected once again. 

I am voting for law & order and an end to allowing protesters to trespass and burn our cities, destroying innocent small business. (Tim Walz)

I am voting for personal responsibility and the end of the revolving door where criminals are being put back on the street. (Kamala Harris)

I'm voting for the next Supreme Court Justice(s) to protect the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

I’m voting for a return of our troops from foreign countries and the end to America’s involvement in foreign conflicts.

I'm voting for the Electoral College and for the Republic in which we live.

I’m voting for the continued appointment of Federal Judges who respect the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

I’m voting for keeping our jobs to remain in America and not be outsourced all over the world - to China, Mexico and other foreign countries.

I am voting for doing away with all of the freebies given to all of the illegals and not looking after the needs of the American citizens and homeless veterans. 

I'm voting for the military & the veterans who fought for this country 

I'm voting to keep men out of women's sports.

I’m voting for peace progress in the Middle East.

I’m voting to fight against human/child trafficking.

I'm voting for Freedom of Religion. 

I am voting for the return of teaching math, history, and science instead of the indoctrination of our children. 

I'm not just voting for one person. 
I'm voting for the future of my Country.

I'm voting for my children and my grandchildren to ensure their freedoms

America is the greatest country in the world, hense why everyone wants to immigrate here. So why do you want to change it? 
 
Why do politicians want to enact policies that have failed in other countries throughout history?  

I’m voting for Trump.
I'm voting for America. 

Copied and pasted keep it going »

TRUMP 2024 🇺🇸 😤😤😤

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