Not wanting to live past 60

[Hibahere]

I want some insightful opinions on this as this is a sensitive topic. I have always contemplated whether its even worth it to live past 60. My personal plan is to accomplish most worldy goals way before 60 (22 rn) and expand spiritually and intellectually as much as I can. Is this a valid plan or reasoning or do you think its based on biases. I personally don't want a very long life because I feel like union with God is my true home. I also don't want to live as a burden on anyone or in bad health and unable to enjoy things like I used to. I see past 60 even past 50 as a miserable age. On the other hand just imagining that my (50y old) parents said the same thing to me I'd be balling my eyes out knowing that they wanted out at 60. I personally see my grandma who is 80...as a very good example of this. She is miserable deep down...she never developed mentally or spirituality she's still a child. I'd rather not live that long tbf.

[Evelyna]

Hi , I think you only think this way right now with the experiences you had so far you have formulated an opinion, which isn't even yours. ( its an opinion of your parents and grandparents.... what's yours? you seem to agree with them ), not accounting for probability of many changes in your perspective to come. You have been led astray my friend. Not every person who is 60 is miserable, or 50 , i'm close to 50 and I am living a great, full life as I always have, I'm certainly not miserable or wanna die before 60, I hope to live passed 100!!! 

Darling, how you going to be and feel when you are older depends on how you live your life now, right now is the time for you to build experiences, memories that you can have when you older. What you seeing within your family is merely people decisions and actions that led to the circumstances they now want to be changed. but change requires change, so use this moment , this example and do everything you can not to get there, your goal could be '' I wanna be happy at 60, wise, and have great life experiences to draw from'' instead of '' I dont wanna live passed 60''- this is an easy way out , non challenging ,  not exciting , if I knew I was definitely dying and had little time left ( im referring to example of sudden illness or sudden news from. a doctor, of course our bodies are slowly dying all the time) I would wanna die an epic death , one last experience of a life time   

Edited October 24 by Evelyna

[Evelyna]

@Majed What on earth happened to you to have such a negative view of life? It's a serious question, I have seen a good few suicidal posts on this forum since i've joined, which is worrying and  little terrifying that so many people rather not be here then do something about their circumstances. 

[caspex]

Can you tell us more about why you think that?

I think, if properly managed, when can live in good health up untill at least 80, and with enough money, in the future we good live with good health past that too. I am rather optimistic in this regard.

[Genius100x]

@Evelyna If someone has fulfilled all their dreams, experienced all the feelings they wanted to experience, reached the ultimate truth, 

they can die peacefully. 

Big life matters, long life isn't necessary. 

Especially, if there is constant suffering in old age. It's a personal choice to live or to die. We can make some ethical points about it (it's like euthanasia)

Even I sometimes think like @Hibahere that I will maintain my health as long as possible and then I'll die at 70 or 80 (if there is a constant suffering in old age) Depends. 

@Hibahere many people think like this. I m also 22 and I have this notion. It's a personal choice. Don't overthink about something that'll happen 50 years later. 

 

Edited October 24 by Genius100x

[Evelyna]

@Genius100x sure however I think you are spinning what I said to something different then it meant to be , I wasn't talking about particular cases where people have enough of life at older age, and I am not disputing anyones decisions., if the post creator was 60 years old and felt that way , my answer would be very different. 

My point here is that this young person at the age of 22  takes on a belief, circumstance , opinions  of their environment as their own, thinking this will also be a case for them, when in reality this type of thinking might stop them from doing a lot of things or limit their own potential in some way. And if they want to take this path on , sure go ahead, just remember that the universe/god/source whatever you want to call it does one thing very well and thats harmonising your thoughts with your experience, which means that no matter how you think you will be proven right, so in summary it is more effective and beneficial for the young person to have a broader perspective while they are young in order to provide themselves with more opportunities to have a wonderful life and not  miserable older years.  

Edited October 24 by Evelyna

[Genius100x]

8 minutes ago, Evelyna said:

at the age of 22 takes on a belief....

when in reality this type of thinking might stop him from doing a lot of things or limit his own potential in some way

No she won't sabotage herself with this philosophy. She can live her life fully before 60. And if she lives her life fully, she would have the desire to live more and this will make her live even 80 or 90 or maybe 100. There must be a strong desire (or purpose) to live, then our body may remain healthy even at 80 or 90. 

You can see the example of Ratan Tata. He recently died at 86. He lived on his full potential. 

Edited October 24 by Genius100x

[Majed]

@Evelyna just regular health issues 

[Evelyna]

@Genius100x how do you know that? you can't possibly know what someone will or will not do, neither do I, and I'm aware of this , but I do have my opinion about things and I am free to express it, I am not sure what you are discussing here with me, I never said that the post creator will definitely sabotage their life, no idea where you got this from, I used the word might , this might... happen, they might limit themselves....... I have never set a guarantee on this, I just suggested another way of thinking as possibility to open up to broader perspective, the author of this post.  can decide to use this information or not, thats not up to me and neither it is up to you. I don't know who Ratan Tata is or was, but if we sharing facts-  my grandmother lived to 104 years old and living fine in a happy state most of the time, but we can safely assume you don't know my grandmother . 

[Evelyna]

3 minutes ago, Majed said:

@Evelyna just regular health issues 

I see , of course I am not aware of what you had to go through or are going through, have you exhausted all healing possibilities ? Apart from medication and Pharmaceutical products what else have you tried? Maybe a holistic ways of healing? Acupuncture? Reiki? Any other ways. of helping the situation>? 

[Genius100x]

1 hour ago, Evelyna said:

how do you know that? you can't possibly know what someone will or will not do, neither do I, and I'm aware of this

I knew this because I read this : 

2 hours ago, Hibahere said:

My personal plan is to accomplish most worldy goals way before 60 (22 rn) and expand spiritually and intellectually as much as I can. Is this a valid plan or reasoning or do you think its based on biases. I personally don't want a very long life

She's talking only about old age. She's not pessimistic about her life. I m not debating anything. I agree with your posts. 

I am just adding the point that "if someone thinks that they won't live after their life becomes miserable 24x7, they are free to choose life or death". It's all about old age.

Again I am not guaranteeing that life becomes miserable after 60/70. You can be very healthy at that age. 

I was just adding my POV. Don't misinterpret my posts. (Apologies if I misspoke something)

At least I don't see her pessimistic about life. 

Edited October 24 by Genius100x

[UnbornTao]

My bad. Thread unlocked.

It is a rather defeatist attitude, don't you think? 

Edited October 24 by UnbornTao

[Evelyna]

@Genius100x

I appreciate your perspective, but I think there’s a crucial nuance being overlooked. It’s great to acknowledge that life can be fulfilling at any age, but the emphasis on desiring to end it at a certain point based on the idea of avoiding suffering could be limiting and created  from a place of fear not positive thinking. 

Just because the post creator expresses a desire to live primarily until 60 doesn’t mean they should brace for misery post that age, they can but they can choose not to. The belief that old age equates to inevitable suffering can shape their outlook and choices today, potentially stunting their dreams and experiences.

Life can actually get richer and more meaningful with age, filled with wisdom and new opportunities if we remain open to them. The perspectives you and others hold now might evolve as you navigate life. Encouraging a broader viewpoint might empower younger individuals to envision a vibrant future beyond 60, reinforcing the idea that life is what we make of it at any age.

Ultimately, it’s about cultivating a mindset that treasures every moment, regardless of age, rather than one that dreads it.

[Genius100x]

55 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

My bad. Thread unlocked.

It is a rather defeatist attitude, don't you think? 

I was sure this thread would be unlocked. 

It's not a defeatist attitude, if you see the reality as it is, if you do your best and then accept what you can't change.

It's a matter of personal choice when it comes to choosing life or death. (But also, this choice should me made using wisdom). 

You have to accept some day or the other that you are a slave to your body. You can't control everything.

Do the best with your body. Be optimistic. Feed your subconscious with +ve affirmations.

And then accept the rest. 

Well it's a just a pov. Perspectives may vary. 

@Evelyna thank you. 😊 Well written : 

35 minutes ago, Evelyna said:

@Genius100x

I appreciate your perspective, but I think there’s a crucial nuance being overlooked. It’s great to acknowledge that life can be fulfilling at any age, but the emphasis on desiring to end it at a certain point based on the idea of avoiding suffering could be limiting and created  from a place of fear not positive thinking. 

Just because the post creator expresses a desire to live primarily until 60 doesn’t mean they should brace for misery post that age, they can but they can choose not to. The belief that old age equates to inevitable suffering can shape their outlook and choices today, potentially stunting their dreams and experiences.

Life can actually get richer and more meaningful with age, filled with wisdom and new opportunities if we remain open to them. The perspectives you and others hold now might evolve as you navigate life. Encouraging a broader viewpoint might empower younger individuals to envision a vibrant future beyond 60, reinforcing the idea that life is what we make of it at any age.

Ultimately, it’s about cultivating a mindset that treasures every moment, regardless of age, rather than one that dreads it.

 

Edited October 24 by Genius100x

[Thought Art]

@Hibahere The attitude you take toward aging can actually affect how your cells age. You can imagine and visualize yourself being 60 plus and very healthy. This will increase the likeliness of this. You can start investing now in strong habits that promote longevity like quality sleep, relationships, Qigong/ Yoga/ Breathwork, regular exercise, awesome nutrition, self love, and a healthy mind body...

Being 60+ could be the best time of your life. Could be the time when you reap the rewards of all your hard work.

We have a lot of bad role models for aging around us. Don't look to them. Instead, focus on aging well and like Deepak Said, let aging be glamorous. 

Edited October 24 by Thought Art

[Hibahere]

@Evelyna I'm happy for you! It's the health part that scares me the most. I fear bad health which seems to be a huge factor. I've seen elders in my family be seen as a burden on their children which breaks my heart into pieces...I feel for them. I might be childish in saying this but I wish i could give the elders their youth back its like...they are still kids in an older body... 

[Raze]

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[Hibahere]

@caspex @UnbornTao Its just health ...I have hypochondria...idk if this will change in the future. And also...just something about living longer than when you have already accomplished or actualized your life purpose does not sit with me. Seeing that i have now developed allergies which get severe..and some other health issues (minor) just at 22 scares the hell out of me. 

[Hibahere]

@Genius100x I understand your pov! It comes down to being miserable. No one wants to live miserably...society has definitely shaped my perspectives into believing that people as they age get more miserable. I see it as a reality because it happens around me. I hope it doesn't happen to me.

[Hibahere]

@Thought Art I appreciate your perspective. The Body listens