Leo Gura Is Wrong About Existence

[Princess Arabia]

1 minute ago, Hojo said:

@Princess Arabia But its not the room. Its something else.

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[Someone here]

What's a thing ?🤔 

[Princess Arabia]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

There is always being, that's something, in fact it's everything. How could being be nothing? Nothing is not existing, and we exist. 

Nothing, but a nothing that's a something.

[Princess Arabia]

1 minute ago, Someone here said:

What's a thing ?🤔 

Something other than something else that the mind constructed to be separate from nothing.

[Hojo]

Nothing is a something.

[Someone here]

I'm dying over here 🤣

[Princess Arabia]

Just now, Someone here said:

I'm dying over here 🤣

Me too...🤣This nothing ain't no match for this somethingness.

[Breakingthewall]

37 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

As in Awareness?

Let's say that there are two dimensions of reality, the relative and the absolute. It is the same reality but seen from two different angles. From the relative perspective there is such a thing as consciousness, awareness, god and all that, from the absolute perspective there is only being.

The relative perspective is very solid and very persistent, it creates a wall in order to be a relative perspective. If you want to place yourself in absolute perspective you must break that wall, this is an action, not an idea. This wall is not only mental structure, conceptual thought, it is also energetic. requires penetration. either you are a buddha-like meditator, or it requires psychedelics.

what I see is possible is to place yourself in the absolute perspective for a few moments, and then the relative perspective softens, becomes less dense, less focused on the mental structure and more on the energetics, and the energy start to be open. But placing yourself permanently in absolute perspective seems impossible. It means stopping needing others. In the absolute perspective there are no others. I like others, writing here is being with others, we are human, the connection with others is essential. But I know that here I'm making a mistake because my attachment. The others, all of them, are in the absolute, in the being,

Edited October 25 by Breakingthewall

[Someone here]

@Princess Arabia @Hojo  @James123 @Breakingthewall this whole conversation. 

 

 

[Breakingthewall]

15 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Nothing, but a nothing that's a something.

If nothing is something, then it's something 😅. Why do you call it nothing? 

[Princess Arabia]

2 minutes ago, Someone here said:

@Princess Arabia @Hojo  @James123 @Breakingthewall this whole conversation. 

 

 

Lol

[Princess Arabia]

1 minute ago, Breakingthewall said:

If nothing is something, then it's something 😅. Why do you call it nothing? 

No-thing.

[Breakingthewall]

Just now, Princess Arabia said:

No-thing.

You mean that the form is transitory and the substance, the being, the infinite potential, is immutable, then the first is " false" and the second is true, but nothing is not the correct word, would be better "everything" . Right now it's the eternity, and in the eternity is everything, the whole reality. You can perceive the whole reality right now, that means open yourself, you are that

 

[Princess Arabia]

1 minute ago, Breakingthewall said:

open

There are no comments from you without this word.😅 Open one. (pun intended). My word is "just". I notice I use it a lot. Hehe.

[Princess Arabia]

9 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

but nothing is not the correct word, would be better "everything"

Everything is also no-thing. Can't have one without the other. Everything stems from no-thing. Saying just everything is like saying heads alone and tails doesn't exist. Can't have on a coin heads without tails. Can't have everything without no-thing. You're coming from a place where existence is something or everything. It's no-thing from which everything appears. At this point i think it's just word semantics and it could go on forever. Hence, no-thing. The bottomless pit. 

Edited October 25 by Princess Arabia

[Breakingthewall]

The biggest attachment are the others. The others are the hell 😅. That's the human nature . Nowadays when the survival is more or less guaranteed, we are trying to make that the others are the heaven, be in harmony, like any other living being except the humans, that are a jail for themselves. Domination, dependence, fear, submission, power.  That's the price of abandoning the garden of the Eden. In exchange we know a lot of things that means nothing, and we can live more time in the eternity, that also means nothing. Not so good business , but we are there. I guess that it's an evolutive step to other level of structure of being 

 

Edited October 25 by Breakingthewall

[Breakingthewall]

21 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Can't have on a coin heads without tails. Can't have everything without no-thing

Yes it can be, that means absolute, without opposite 

Nothing doesn't exist, the everything doesn't arise from the nothing, doesn't arise, exist without begining and end

Edited October 25 by Breakingthewall

[Hojo]

The all has everything. It dosent manifest it already did. Your body dosent have and wants to manifest something. You are claiming the all wants to manifest something when it has everything .

You are saying the room im in dosent have everything and wants to manifest something that's not there when the all already has everything. There is a very clear distinction in the two 

Edited October 25 by Hojo

[Princess Arabia]

Just now, Breakingthewall said:

Yes it can be, that means absolute, without opposite 

Ok, you got me there so that means everything and something collapses into Absolute with no opposite. So everything is no-thing and no-thing is everything. 

[Breakingthewall]

28 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

The bottomless pit. 

The bottomless infinite abyss is full of you, that's what you are. Everything fades until becoming nothing if you spread it in infinity, except your essence. It never fades, it encompass all the infinity, the bottomless eternity, that's what you are .