Leo Gura Is Wrong About Existence

[Spiritual Warfare]

4 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Ok. I get where the mindset is. That's perfectly fine. We're all perceiving things differently. I really respect the fact that you're not just listening to things and just agreeing like a monkey. As long as we keep our differences respectful and without judging others for theirs, we're on the right track. That's all that counts. Yesterday, I was joking around a lot, but you can tell when I'm being serious and when I'm being a bit cynical. 

Actually, it's when it doesn't sound logical and beautiful is when I tend to pay more attention. You've mislabeled my way of seeing the world incorrectly; and just that alone tells me you're just generalizing and seeing me through the eyes of how you see everyone else and how they see the world. You didn't cater that saying towards me as an individual and what you know about me personally, you just said that thinking that's how you think i see things - the part about logical and beautiful is what i'm referring to here. I'm aware the Universe is illogical and is actually chaotic by nature, so I don't look for things that sounds logical in this respect. For me the mire illogical and chaotic it sounds the closer to the truth it is. I already know there's no truth anyway but what the subconscious accepts as true and it's all relative. The only truth there is on the Absolute level is just that, The All There Is.

👍

[Spiritual Warfare]

4 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

You get conscious enough you can dream up whatever you want or just feel the love you're after, directly, and infinitely 

That’s not true. You hear things like that in fairy tales.

[Breakingthewall]

24 minutes ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

The question is, why does it have to experience all these forms? Is it because existence has no control, as @Breakingthewall says, or do you think existence can make its own decisions?

5 hours ago, Loveeee said:

 

Existence makes its own decisions, but as they are infinite, they are not decisions. The unlimited can't be controlled, because control is a limit. 

[Loveeee]

1 minute ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

That’s not true. You hear things like that in fairy tales.

Don't be a side character 

[Spiritual Warfare]

Just now, Breakingthewall said:

Existence makes its own decisions, but as they are infinite, they are not decisions. The unlimited can't be controlled, because control is a limit. 

Is control a limitation? Interesting, I never thought of it that way. But what if you choose not to control? Isn’t that a fair point to make?

[Spiritual Warfare]

Just now, Loveeee said:

Don't be a side character 

I only live in reality, something you should consider doing as well.

[Princess Arabia]

2 hours ago, Ishanga said:

someone with 1000 posts is not as guilty as someone with 10,000 posts,

You would make a terrible judge or prosecutor if that's what you're going by. To be a good representative of the legal system, you would have to be able to differentiate how those posts were made, what constituted for each post, the nature of those posts, the differences those posters had in relation to their relations with the substratum or root cause of such posts. All that's involved in determining the guilt or innocence of the defendant.

Do you realize that posting a pic or video counts as one post. I have about 5mega threads going that requires Pic and videos and commentary that has nothing to do with blah blah comments. Not to mention I'm about to start a journal. So don't be surprised if I outnumber Leo's post count soon. I might also add another sequel to the infamous Powerful section. Maybe while I'm at it, I'll throw in a Mega Thread for Sadghuru's content to allow for you to catch up to my post count because I know you'll live over there and probably miss some work hrs and get laid off from work, so no I won't for your sake. Hehe hehe hehehe. Lololol. Love you!!!

[Loveeee]

3 minutes ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

I only live in reality, something you should consider doing as well.

 

[Princess Arabia]

3 minutes ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

I only live in reality, something you should consider doing as well.

Reality has got you by the balls. YOU ARE REALITY........and there is no other. Don't get me started.

[Breakingthewall]

9 minutes ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

Is control a limitation? Interesting, I never thought of it that way. But what if you choose not to control? Isn’t that a fair point to make?

Control is relative, exist, but relatively to a form. If there are infinite forms it's like those forms means nothing as forms, same that the control, the control is form, absolute contains all the potential forms, and all the possible control, and in eternity potential and real are sinonimous, and that means that real and unreal are sinonimous, then control is the same than no control. Control is a relationship between two things, if you rise those two things to infinity power, the control is infinite that is sinonimous to no control. It's not a koan, it's obvious. If you see it you release the control and the need of understanding, then you can open yourself to the absolute 

Edited October 25 by Breakingthewall

[Spiritual Warfare]

7 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Reality has got you by the balls. YOU ARE REALITY........and there is no other. Don't get me started.

Of course, everyone lives in reality, but people often say that when someone is talking nonsense.

[Spiritual Warfare]

6 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Control is relative, exist, but relatively to a form. If there are infinite forms it's like those forms means nothing as forms, same that the control, the control is form, absolute contains all the potential forms, and all the possible control, and in eternity potential and real are sinonimous, and that means that real and unreal are sinonimous, then control is the same than no control. Control is a relationship between two things, if you rise those two things to infinity power, the control is infinite that is sinonimous to no control. It's not a koan, it's obvious. If you see it you release the control and the need of understanding, then you can open yourself to the absolute 

Awesome 

[Spiritual Warfare]

11 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

 

You know what I meant. Stop acting like a 🤡 

[Princess Arabia]

22 minutes ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

Of course, everyone lives in reality,

That's what you think. That's why suffering occurs. That's why confusion arises. That's why we feel like victims. It's the exact same reason why it's possible to construct a world. It appears that way but in actuality, there's no Reality apart from you. Show me where the separation is where there's a you and there's a reality and where there's a you in reality. There's none. It's the mind that makes the distinction and it's got you by the balls, like I said. 

[Princess Arabia]

28 minutes ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

Awesome 

Awesome, huh. See, you're choosing what you want to agree with and what not to. You're the trickster of the Universe. That's why you put that clown emojii just now. The signs are everywhere, you trickster you. I won't start that shit today, though. Enough already, hehe.

[Ishanga]

@Princess Arabia Believe it or not I like You as an Individual,  we just have radically differing understandings of things Spiritual that's all...I wish You and Everyone here well, and I don't expect everyone to agree with everything I say, or follow my way at all, is just a sharing, sometimes I get too passionate about it, it brings up the ego which is good, it exposes it for me to look at again and again, which is a sadhana of itself:)

 

[Hojo]

How can you say you live in reality meanwhile worshipping nothingness. Point to nothing! Its not there.

Edited October 25 by Hojo

[Princess Arabia]

15 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

@Princess Arabia Believe it or not I like You as an Individual,  we just have radically differing understandings of things Spiritual that's all...I wish You and Everyone here well, and I don't expect everyone to agree with everything I say, or follow my way at all, is just a sharing, sometimes I get too passionate about it, it brings up the ego which is good, it exposes it for me to look at again and again, which is a sadhana of itself:)

 

Nothing personal for me. I like you too. You bring a different flavor to the forum, just like everybody has their own unique flavor. I don't expect to agree with everyone and vice versa. That's the beauty of life. How boring it would be if we all agreed. Geesh, we would be pissing each other off on purpose just for the contrast. This is how I know that my perception isn't the right one and neither is yours or anyone else's, it's only true for us. If it were Universally true, everyone would perceive it the same way. That's the definition of Absolute Truth of which we are all expressions of. Understanding this allows for true Spiritual growth and understanding and for the recognition of what's actually true or is the case which is nowhere visible in what's appearing.

 

 

Edited October 25 by Princess Arabia

[Princess Arabia]

9 minutes ago, Hojo said:

How can you say you live in reality meanwhile worshipping nothingness. Point to nothing! Its not there.

Nothing is there. It's exactly what allows for something to appear. Without nothing, there cannot be something. That something needs a contrast to be visible.

Edited October 25 by Princess Arabia

[Breakingthewall]

20 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

This is how I know that my perception isn't the right one and neither is yours or anyone else's, it's only true for us.

True or false perception means nothing, the only difference is if your mental structure makes possible the dissolution of the self or not. In the moment that there is not self, there is not mental structure anymore. I think that we have to shape out conceptual structure in the direction of the openess, not of the truth, because there is not truth in the mental level, the mental level is just an arising that we could use to open our perception or to close it. It's a mess, because, who is using it? Etc. there are a lot of traps that prevent the dissolution 

Edited October 25 by Breakingthewall