Leo Gura Is Wrong About Existence

[Rishabh R]

@Spiritual Warfare maybe we all are wrong . What if we question ourselves that - What if I'm wrong ?

[Breakingthewall]

2 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

It's just another illusion making another illusion appear bigger and stronger. There is no power in either on their own. Even if you say well a gun is powerless on it's own and if i take that gun and shoot you, you will die. Really? Whose dying. That psychedelic can only show you more illusions and make for a different experience. There is no actual getting closer to what already is and where you're already at. It's all appearances just as how water vapor in the sky appear as clouds. Go try to grab one of those clouds.

What we are trying to do is breaking the limits and realize your true nature. That is real, your true nature is the infinite potential, the bottomless where everything is, and when you open yourself to it you realize the eternity. Saying that there is no self and that is not the end, is a mean to achieve the openess. The real thing is positive not negative. This about nothing, no one, etc is good to dissolve the separated self, but the real opening is another thing 

[James123]

26 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Yeah, but I'm not trying to silence or lessen anything. 

Another I says Ms. Ego just kidding 😅 

[Princess Arabia]

13 minutes ago, Rishabh R said:

@Spiritual Warfare maybe we all are wrong . What if we question ourselves that - What if I'm wrong ?

Is your existence wrong. Is your being wrong. Is the fact that you know you exist wrong. Answer those and everything else is neither wrong nor right. They are all illusions in a changing world. 

[Princess Arabia]

17 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

What we are trying to do is breaking the limits and realize your true nature. That is real, your true nature is the infinite potential, the bottomless where everything is, and when you open yourself to it you realize the eternity. Saying that there is no self and that is not the end, is a mean to achieve the openess. The real thing is positive not negative. This about nothing, no one, etc is good to dissolve the separated self, but the real opening is another thing 

This is symbolic to what you're trying to accomplish. It's a hard thing and scary at the same time; but utterly peaceful, calm and serene once you get there. You're already there, just have to open yourself to it and let the fears go.

Edited October 24 by Princess Arabia

[Breakingthewall]

6 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

This is symbolic to what you're trying to accomplish. It's a hard thing and scary at the same time; but utterly peaceful, calm and serene once you get there. You're already there, just have to open yourself to it and let the fears go.

I achieve the openess very often. It's not about peace and calm, it's about the true nature of the existence, the eternity and the absolute potential. that's why i talk about that. Forget your need to know everything and try the real thing, you will see. If you are honest enough, of course. The door is very small, only who's absolutely simple can pass 

Edited October 24 by Breakingthewall

[Princess Arabia]

Just now, Breakingthewall said:

I achieve the openess very often. It's not about peace and calm, it's about the true nature of the existence, the eternity, that's why i talk about that. Forget your need to know everything and try the real thing, you will see. If you are honest enough, of course. The door is very small, only who's absolutely simple can pass 

But you do agree it's similar to the eye of a hurricane. There's an opening within Infinity for such things to appear to happen.

[Yimpa]

Leo is wrong and conservatives are right

[Dazgwny]

On 23/10/2024 at 7:16 PM, Spiritual Warfare said:

 

There is no God in control because a God wouldn’t have chosen such a limited player. I can prove this: if an angel came to you and offered you powers, you would accept them! That’s the proof, and for those who claim that God chose this path, please seek help. I hope the cartel catches you. Why couldn’t God remember His nature when He became human? That wouldn’t sabotage the challenges and adventure here on Earth. Forgetting one’s true nature is not beautiful, it’s terrible. It leaves you confused and causes you to forget to live in the present moment.

 

    2.    Reincarnation also doesn’t make sense because something must create these reincarnations, which is absurd. Why should I live my life here on Earth only to forget it later? There’s nothing beautiful about that, it’s terrible.

    3.    A separate God is illogical and impossible. What I’ve concluded is that existence itself is illogical because none of these ideas make sense, none!

 

This is a terribly spiritually uneducated opinion 

[Thought Art]

@Dazgwny He knows more than God! Hehe

[Breakingthewall]

34 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

But you do agree it's similar to the eye of a hurricane. There's an opening within Infinity for such things to appear to happen.

I don't know how or why the things appear to happen, I guess that they arise because there are not Limits. What I mean is dissolving for a moment the limits of our experience and realize the true nature of existence, that's our true nature. You realize that you are not a entity, you are let's say a substance, something without limits that exists. It's very difficult because all our structure says that we are "someone", it's very counterintuitive to stop being someone and be something like an unlimited ocean of existence.

There are many mental mechanisms that keep you in the appearance of an individual, but if you manage to dissolve it you see that it has always been like this, it is eternity and there can be no doubt. Doing this without any psychedelic is very difficult, and with large doses too. For me, a small dose is needed to relax the magnetism of the self, then you can be in a state of total openness for a few minutes. You see clearly that death is nothing, here and now the unlimited reality is, everything is within you. Anyway, everytime that you manage to totally open that door you are more open always, but not the same open than that moment, it's something to do step by step, then the next openess is more clear, longer

This does not mean that you understand why the cosmos is the way it is, I don't know if it can be understood, I would say that this is one possibility among infinite, reality never stops, it flows on itself and creates forms. but this is just a speculation, what is really undoubtable is your ultimate nature, the total potential so to speak. It's not something mental, it's realizing what you are

Edited October 24 by Breakingthewall

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Princess Arabia said:

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1 hour ago, Princess Arabia said:

But you do agree it's similar to the eye of a hurricane. There's an opening within Infinity for such things to appear to happen.

The thing of the eye of the hurricane could be a good metaphor, but for me it's more like if you have a barrier, a door, and you have to open it. The door is you, and it's you who want to open it, then it seems impossible. Then, in some moments you realize that there is not door anymore. At first in 2 seconds you start to think about it and triying to understand and you close again , it's like a change of vibration, because it's exactly the same here and now, but without the self.

Then you educate yourself to don't close,.don't conceptualize, but anyway you do, then another time the openess happen, maybe longer, enough long to realize that you are that, but who "realize" things is the self, it's extremely difficult to don't get lost in the mind and create ideas in the very moment that you open yourself. You have to stop making differentiations like inside/outside, limited/unlimited, something/nothing, etc. the mind has to be tamed to be quiet. That's the real meditation, not silent the mind but dissolving the energetic barriers that the mind creates. 

Edited October 24 by Breakingthewall

[Hojo]

@Princess Arabiayour theories of the universe seem to contradictive. You claim you know what women think then claim to know how to manifest all the while claiming dead seriously that nothing exists and there's no one to do any of it. And you seems to switch back and forth as suited to the conversation. If you feel like you are being cornered spiritually you just say that nothing exists and there is no doer so there is no argument. Then when people go against a seemingly nothingness entity in relationships advice or women that thing somehow turns into a person and knows things.

[Rishabh R]

2 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

Is your existence wrong. Is your being wrong. Is the fact that you know you exist wrong. Answer those and everything else is neither wrong nor right. They are all illusions in a changing world. 

No they are fundamental to existence but we might not know what being of a thing is .

Edited October 24 by Rishabh R

[Princess Arabia]

6 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@Princess Arabiayour theories of the universe seem to contradictive. You claim you know what women think then claim to know how to manifest all the while claiming dead seriously that nothing exists and there's no one to do any of it. And you seems to switch back and forth as suited to the conversation. If you feel like you are being cornered spiritually you just say that nothing exists and there is no doer so there is no argument. Then when people go against a seemingly nothingness entity in relationships advice or women that thing somehow turns into a person and knows things.

Same reason why you're not and never do make sense in what you're saying to everyone. It's an illusion and only appearing to make sense to one but not to all. I bet you some think I'm making perfect sense and some think I'm all over the place like you. It's call a matter of whose listening and reading. Some will understand from a different perspective and others another. 

When I say there's no one doing anything and all that no one jazz, then how can I make the choice to not do something as in stop talking and go in a cave and whither myself to death. That would mean there's someone there making that choice. So that's not contradictory, you've only misunderstood what was being said.

If you were paying attention to what I say about manifestation, is it's still within the dream of the I AM, and within the illusion and one can manifest within the illusion things that appear to seem real but within confinements of the illusion just the same. Reality is of that nature. Whether all this is true or not is not what ilm discussing here, it's whether my statements are contradictory or not. I'm not switching back and forth as suited to the conversation it's only seems that way to someone who has taken non-duality as reality and have not realized that there's still duality at play and are able to see through the differences and play through both. 

Your statements implies that I'm over here thinking there's no one, no one exists, I'm writing to myself and because I know this I should stop doing what I'm doing since there's no one doing anything. That's not what it means. It means I have no power as an individual entity to do anything because there is no one behind this veil. It's simply the Absolute parading around as a human and also the Absolute writing this comment to me. I'm never cornered anywhere where I have to say anything that's indifferent to what I feel is happening. I'm either right or wrong or mistaken, but never cornered. Maybe sometimes joking around, but never cornered. I'll be talking about human affairs, still be talking about relationship issues because that's still what's happening and a part of life. As far as manifesting goes, i'm just simply showing how it works and the dynamics of what it entails and how it's possible to do since there are already evidences that shows we're already manifesting and how reality can change right before our eyes based off of who we are. This isn't pseudoscience here but can be shown and proven to work on the quantum level and based on certain data. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Hojo]

@Princess Arabia How can nothing manifest something both these theories counter eachother. Manifestation and nothing are counter arguments to eachother. You claim to know how to manifest while claiming you dont exist to manifest. What have you manifested in life that you feel like you know how to do it while also counter intitively not exist to want to manifest.

The only argument is you haven't because there isn't anything to manifest something and are therefore making everything about manifestation up.

You also claim there is a woman there that thinks a certain way. And other people who are not women don't understand what a woman is thinking somehow at the exact same time a woman isn't there and there are no other people who aren't women.

You are the one no one understands because there is no logical thought to follow. Thats why you are constantly arguing and fighting for a position.

I'm not arguing to stop holding positions just dont hold an orange and an apple and say I have 2 apples here 

Edited October 24 by Hojo

[Princess Arabia]

5 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@Princess Arabia How can nothing manifest something both these theories counter eachother. Manifestation and nothing are counter arguments to eachother. You claim to know how to manifest while claiming you dont exist to manifest. What have you manifested in life that you feel like you know how to do it while also counter intitively not exist to want to manifest.

The only argument is you haven't because there isn't anything to manifest something and are therefore making everything about manifestation up.

You also claim there is a woman there that thinks a certain way. And other people who are not women don't understand what a woman is thinking somehow at the exact same time a woman isn't there and there are no other people who aren't women.

You are the one know one understands because there is no logical thought to follow.

Would you like for me to share videos of Leo stating that this is an illusion, you're no different than a coffee table, you're imagining him and this world doesn't exist but in your mind. Would you also like for me to share his how to get enlightened video where he states there's no person there and who you think you are you're not. Also when his new course comes out why don't you ask him, if I'm you whose subconscious mind am I programming, mine or yours. Leo has said in his videos the same things i've said in respect to the non-duality parts and he is still carrying on with his life and talking about things that still involves separate people in the world, and also teaching these coffee table men how to get laid with the same women that he's imagining but you're not questioning him about that and only have eyes on what you think is a discrepancy from me. 

I only used Leo as an example because he's a common example. If you deny anything here, I will go and search out his videos where he makes claims the same ones I'm making but is still talking to the people he claims doesn't exist and also why us he putting out a course on how to reprogram the subconscious mind if its not to achieve and manifest some intended goal. Don't save your rebuttals for me bring them up with gurus room who say the same thing I'm saying and who you're subscribed to. You're only pointing things out to me because I'm just some figure on a forum. 

I can voice my opinion on how I view how women are being perceived and misunderstood by men at anytime and anywhere as long as I'm being respectful about it and not in a condescending manner to either involved and still say there's no one in another discussion on the spiritual level. I'm aware of how to not bring nonduality into regular conversation because of the paradoxical nature of reality and you're the one having problems differentiating the two sides of the coin to be confronting how am I being a human and maintaining my core true essence of Awareness at the sane time. That's not my problem to solve and figure out.

[Hojo]

@Princess ArabiaAll of this is fine and I agree that we do not exist. I do not need a video of him saying we are mental constructs I need the video of him telling us that we can manifest things out of thin air while also not existing not only that but specific protocol on how to do it.  There isnt one because that's going against not existing. The only things I've heard Leo say on manifestation is that if you want a glass of water go and pick it up, that's how God manifests. 

This doesn't have anything to do with Leo tho as we are talking Leo is not the grand authority only on this server. We shouldn't just believe what he says. I'm open to manifesting but I'm also seeing massive logical inconsistensies.

You can just say women are illogical.

Edited October 24 by Hojo

[Princess Arabia]

45 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@Princess ArabiaAll of this is fine and I agree that we do not exist. I do not need a video of him saying we are mental constructs I need the video of him telling us that we can manifest things out of thin air while also not existing not only that but specific protocol on how to do it.  There isnt one because that's going against not existing. The only things I've heard Leo say on manifestation is that if you want a glass of water go and pick it up, that's how God manifests. 

This doesn't have anything to do with Leo tho as we are talking Leo is not the grand authority only on this server. We shouldn't just believe what he says. I'm open to manifesting but I'm also seeing massive logical inconsistensies.

You can just say women are illogical.

I only brought up Leo as I could have brought any other public figure up who speaks about stuff but still live their lives as usually and because he's a common figure between you and I. I'm not going off of what he says to believe anything to be true; it's my own doing and what I've personally came to realize. If i'm delusional about it, then so be the case; but we're having discussions where discussions are allowed.

I also really need for you to understand where I stand with this manifesting thing. I'm not on here claiming anything and telling people how much I know how to manifest. Please share something verbatim where I've said those things. All I'm saying is how the process works and showing people how manifestation is a thing and showing practical examples on how it's being done already by means of identity change. I made a thread the other day accompanied with a video on the source of the thread. I wasn't claiming anything. Spiritual Warfare said in a comment to someone how you cannot change reality and that manifestation doesn't work. I then set out to show him how manifestation can be possible because it doesn't happen through the changing of reality but how one sees the person viewing reality and then used the viewing of a bird in the sky to illustrate my point. If you understand something in a way where you see someone is mistaken something in your eyes and you feel they would understand it clearer if shown a particular way instead of how they see it, that's not claiming to have manifested anything and acting as if I know how to do something. It's showing how one understands how something works and why it can be possible.

Sometimes I feel like I have to keep explaining myself to some people who are on a different frequency than I am and I feel sometimes that my words may be misconstrued and taken out of context if not understood in the proper way it was intended. Never have I made claims to have manifested anything but have showed how the process works which will give air to someone understanding how the process works. Doesn't mean I have not had personal experiences where I believe it was a conscious manifestation of sorts and that's why I personally believe it's a thing, but I have made no claims to have manifested anything tangibly. Doesn't mean that I haven't because I believe we're always manifesting and that manifesting is a way of being but I have not said this is what I've manifested. Show me please what ilve said I've manifested or claimed to have manifested. I can give stories, but my aim was not to give stories but to show how I believe the process works.

It's all opinions here and no one's opinions should be taken as truth on face value without verifying for yourself or doing your own research. On any topic. 

Edited October 24 by Princess Arabia

[Inliytened1]

On 10/23/2024 at 1:16 PM, Spiritual Warfare said:

There is no God in control because a God wouldn’t have chosen such a limited player. 

Being limited is precisely what makes reality "real"

 

On 10/23/2024 at 1:16 PM, Spiritual Warfare said:

Why couldn’t God remember His nature when He became human? That wouldn’t sabotage the challenges and adventure here on Earth. Forgetting one’s true nature is not beautiful, it’s terrible. 

    

It's called awakening.  And if you actually do awake, it doesn't change anything.   You're just lucid unless you wanna forget while in the dream which is also possible and actual more probable most of the time.

 

On 10/23/2024 at 1:16 PM, Spiritual Warfare said:

 

    2.    Reincarnation also doesn’t make sense because something must create these reincarnations, which is absurd. Why should I live my life here on Earth only to forget it later? There’s nothing beautiful about that, it’s terrible.

   

It makes perfect sense once you realize bullet point 1.  And that you realize it is just One Infinite Consciousness or Awarness.  You realize you have to take on different forms in order to experience each possiblity.

 

On 10/23/2024 at 1:16 PM, Spiritual Warfare said:

ble.

    3.    A separate God is illogical and impossible. What I’ve concluded is that existence itself is illogical because none of these ideas make sense, none!

Now you are catching on.  There is no separation.  God is just this.  Existence is just this.  

Edited October 24 by Inliytened1