Leo Gura Is Wrong About Existence

[Spiritual Warfare]

16 minutes ago, Dodo said:

I think you neef to spend time in silence and solitude. Spirituality is about peace, the mind is what does the warfare. 

Actually there can be balance between all things, between the so called dualities. God is on the job. We are here to aid that 👏 🙌 

It is just a claim without any evidence.

[Javfly33]

11 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

 There can't be the slightest doubt, I am that. Always. There are no limits, it's the eternity, the unlimited, and I realize that it's absolutely obvious, always is like that. But then you start to think and put limits again, it's a subtle game. 

You don´t see this problematic?

I am 'that'. Whatever 'that' is, isn´t a 'that' limited? 

Since 'that' means also 'everything else that is not 'that'.

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I perceive myself without bottom.

How can 'you' perceive 'yourself? That already are two things.

Like @Water by the River would say: who is the one who perceives itself without bottom? 

10 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Existence means that you are, and it's the case. It's not an identification, its the explanation of something. Existence doesn't means nothing, but anyway maybe could be an identification. Anyway, what's obvious is that anything That you are is beyond the mental construction, then you have to forget the mental construction. Really it's something quite obvious, but same time really difficult 

Im not denying that I do not exist, but I exist as nothing, the moment I exist as 'something' (like existence), i become limited (to that 'thing').

You see where I'm going?

Edited October 24 by Javfly33

[ChrisZoZo]

@Spiritual Warfare get off this site it’s no good for you. All you do is depressed post. You’re going down a negative spiral of hatred and resentment. This will make you feel more isolated and bitter. 

[Spiritual Warfare]

1 minute ago, ChrisZoZo said:

@Spiritual Warfare get off this site it’s no good for you. All you do is depressed post. You’re going down a negative spiral of hatred and resentment. This will make you feel more isolated and bitter. 

I missed the part where it is my problem. The truth is negative, and if you can’t understand that, it’s time to burst your fantasy bubble.

[zurew]

15 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

There isn't a god in control, it's absolutely impossible, but not because that reason. It's impossible because the reality is unlimited and the unlimited can't be under control. If there were a god this god would be dreaming infinite dreams right now, then he couldn't control nothing, would be a crazy god absolutely lost in infinity, without will, power, or any control. This god would dissapear dissolved in infinity, because the infinity can't have a will, just because is one thing and it's opposite, then that will would be indeterminate.

There is only one god and he only has one will: he exists. is. nothing else. I am. period. and I open myself and expand to the infinity, encompass everything and dissapear in the totality of the absolute. thats the only god that exists 

Is your position basically, that God is infinity, and infinity includes  all possible world, and infinity cannot not (must) include all possible world?

In other words, under this semantics  - if God exists, all possible world necessarily have to exist.

Edited October 24 by zurew

[James123]

16 hours ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

16 hours ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

There is no God in control because a God wouldn’t have chosen such a limited player. I can prove this: if an angel came to you and offered you powers, you would accept them! That’s the proof, and for those who claim that God chose this path, please seek help. I hope the cartel catches you. Why couldn’t God remember His nature when He became human? That wouldn’t sabotage the challenges and adventure here on Earth. Forgetting one’s true nature is not beautiful, it’s terrible. It leaves you confused and causes you to forget to live in the present moment.

 

    2.    Reincarnation also doesn’t make sense because something must create these reincarnations, which is absurd. Why should I live my life here on Earth only to forget it later? There’s nothing beautiful about that, it’s terrible.

    3.    A separate God is illogical and impossible. What I’ve concluded is that existence itself is illogical because none of these ideas make sense, none!

 

how do you know? 

[Spiritual Warfare]

1 minute ago, James123 said:

how do you know? 

Since I have a brain, no one wants to be very limited, and no one wants to live their life and create beautiful memories only to forget everything. What might be true is that God isn’t in control, but that just proves existence sucks.

[Breakingthewall]

3 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

You don´t see this problematic?

I am 'that'. Whatever 'that' is, isn´t a 'that' limited? 

Since 'that' means also 'everything else that is not 'that'.

3 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

 

"That" is existence , infinite potential. Nothing defined. 

3 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

How can 'you' perceive 'yourself? That already are two things.

Who perceive is the self, the human. Perceiver and perception are appearances that appear in the reality. Both are impermanent, creations, same than understanding. The only permanent, "real" thing, is the nature of reality 

3 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

Im not denying that I do not exist, but I exist as nothing, the moment I exist as 'something' (like existence), i become limited (to that 'thing')

Existence is not limited because it's absolute potential. It's precisely unlimited 

[James123]

1 minute ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

Since I have a brain, no one wants to be very limited, and no one wants to live their life and create beautiful memories only to forget everything. What might be true is that God isn’t in control, but that just proves existence sucks.

Yo, where are you in this brain show me. Let me give you an example, hold a finger on your right hand tightly, till it hurts so much. and completely focus on that pain. Close your eyes. 

[Spiritual Warfare]

2 minutes ago, James123 said:

Yo, where are you in this brain show me. Let me give you an example, hold a finger on your right hand tightly, till it hurts so much. and completely focus on that pain. Close your eyes. 

You know exactly what I meant, please disprove why I am wrong.

[James123]

10 minutes ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

Since I have a brain, no one wants to be very limited, and no one wants to live their life and create beautiful memories only to forget everything. What might be true is that God isn’t in control, but that just proves existence sucks.

The one who says these sentences are infinite already (@Breakingthewall fucking infiniteeee).  

When you think you are limited, however If you do not think these sentences, It will be not exist for you. Therefore, You create your own reality via thinking. Whatever you think thats what the truth for you. I believe in these sentences therefore, It is true for me. You believe whatever You write, Therefore True for you. 

[Spiritual Warfare]

Just now, James123 said:

The one who says these sentences are infinite already (@Breakingthewall fucking infiniteeee).  

When you think you are limited, however If you do not think these sentences, It will be not exist for you. Therefore, You create your own reality via thinking. Whatever you think thats what the truth for you. I believe in these sentences therefore, It is true for me. You believe whatever You write, Therefore True for you. 

That is not true. It doesn’t matter how much I believe I can change reality. It won’t work. If it really worked, there would already be people who could fly, for example. Manifestation is nonsense. It is very limited and not worth applauding.

[James123]

2 minutes ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

That is not true. It doesn’t matter how much I believe I can change reality. It won’t work. If it really worked, there would already be people who could fly, for example. Manifestation is nonsense. It is very limited and not worth applauding.

'you' are limited (the thinker). Real YOU is infinite (The one who recognizes the thinker is just an illisiuon). If there is no thinker what is left?

[Spiritual Warfare]

1 minute ago, James123 said:

'you' are limited (the thinker). Real YOU is infinite (The one who recognizes the thinker is just an illisiuon). If there is no thinker what is left?

I’m not saying that I am God, but you cannot manifest big things when you are in a human body.

[James123]

Just now, Spiritual Warfare said:

I’m not saying that I am God, but you cannot manifest big things when you are in a human body.

Isnt these sentences are just a thought? Comes from the thinker?

[Spiritual Warfare]

Just now, James123 said:

Isnt these sentences are just a thought? Comes from the thinker?

Yes 

[James123]

Just now, Spiritual Warfare said:

Yes 

so, if there is no thinker, what is left?

[Spiritual Warfare]

Just now, James123 said:

so, if there is no thinker, what is left?

I said there is a thinker. But in response to your question, I believe it is impossible to remove a thinker.

[James123]

3 minutes ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

 I believe it is impossible to remove a thinker.

Not removing, just surrendering, letting go and dropping. 

Because 'you' believe. and It is possible. 

Just for fun, Imagine thinker is an illisuon, what is left?

 

 

[Spiritual Warfare]

Just now, James123 said:

Not removing, just surrendering, letting go and dropping. 

Because 'you' believe. and It is possible. 

Just for fun, Imagine thinker is an illisuon, what is left?

 

 

Pure consciousness