Leo Gura Is Wrong About Existence

[theleelajoker]

9 minutes ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

@Breakingthewall 

The problem is how will I ever know that my ego needs to go or that I can remove it? Just because something sounds logical and good doesn’t mean it is true. That’s why I have so much fear about existence, because I don’t know if I’m fooling myself or not.

@Spiritual WarfareYou did not ask me. I don't care and I am not joking.  The "how" IMO is as equally simple as it can be hard.

 

Just listen.

Edited October 23 by theleelajoker

[Spiritual Warfare]

5 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Instinct. Nothing else. 

Even if there is a low risk that I might be wrong?

[Breakingthewall]

13 minutes ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

Even if there is a low risk that I might be wrong?

Seems that almost everyone gets wrong, then I guess so 😅. But it's quite simple to see what closes and what opens. It's like a feeling, heavy vs light, clear vs blurred. If you are honest with yourself seems quite obvious. Do you want to be free or special? I'd say that for you is quite clear. 

[Spiritual Warfare]

1 minute ago, Breakingthewall said:

Seems that almost everyone gets wrong, then I guess so 😅. But it's quite simple to see what closes and what opens. It's like a feeling, heavy vs light, clear vs blurred. If you are honest with yourself seems quite obvious. Do you want to be free or special? I'd say that for you is quite clear. 

If I’m wrong, then there is no turning back. That’s why I can’t risk things that could lead to my death. If I knew exactly what I needed to do, I would do it. It is not generous of existence to play dangerous games.

[Breakingthewall]

Just now, Spiritual Warfare said:

I would do it. It is not generous of existence to play dangerous games.

Who knows why the things are as they are? Or better , there is not a possible "why", its just impossible, because there are not limits. Anything is equal to its opposite. It's not a koan, it's something obvious. The problem with this matter is that if you start to speculate about that looking for concrete answers you get lost. If you want openenss the only answer to anything have to be let's say, wide: because there are no limits. Period. 

[Breakingthewall]

8 minutes ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

I’m wrong, then there is no turning back.

You can't get wrong because there in only one exit. If you aren't totally liberated, you aren't, and that's it. Then you try more. 

[Spiritual Warfare]

1 minute ago, Breakingthewall said:

Who knows why the things are as they are? Or better , there is not a possible "why", its just impossible, because there are not limits. Anything is equal to its opposite. It's not a koan, it's something obvious. The problem with this matter is that if you start to speculate about that looking for concrete answers you get lost. If you want openenss the only answer to anything have to be let's say, wide: because there are no limits. Period. 

You are actually right. I need to get my act together. But it is a limitation for the ego, so why wouldn’t it work in another way? The nature of existence is unlimited, yet it can create things that are limited so that things don’t go wrong or become dangerous.

[Breakingthewall]

16 minutes ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

wtwroirw

 

16 minutes ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

You are actually right. I need to get my act together. But it is a limitation for the ego, so why wouldn’t it work in another way? The nature of existence is unlimited, yet it can create things that are limited so that things don’t go wrong or become dangerous

This shit is the most difficult for the ego for me: unlimited means absolutely wild. To the question: what is going to happen next? The only answer is: me. It's exactly the same being a worm or a multidimensional aliens that encompass an universe. The only thing that matters is that is me, what is. Being a rat in the jungle is the same than being a god. The form is irrelevant, the substance is everything. You are the substance, forget the form. The form is what they call Maya, it's a mirage. It's not an empty mirage because it's full of you, but you are equal in a worm or in the entire universe 

Edited October 23 by Breakingthewall

[Spiritual Warfare]

1 minute ago, Breakingthewall said:

 

This shit is the most difficult for the ego for me: unlimited means absolutely wild. To the question: what is going to happen next? The only answer is: me. It's exactly the same being a worm of an multidimensional aliens that encompass an universe. The only thing that matters is that is me, what is. Being a rat in the jungle is the same than being a god. The form is irrelevant, the substance is everything. You are the substance, forget the form. The form is what they call Maya, it's a mirage. It's not an empty mirage because it's full of you, but you are equal in a worm or in the entire universe 

Why did I leave my true source if I don’t need it? You say that existence has no control, but isn’t it a form of control to come from a unity and then into a form?

[Breakingthewall]

10 minutes ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

Why did I leave my true source if I don’t need it? You say that existence has no control, but isn’t it a form of control to co me from a unity and then into a form?

we never leave the true source because that's impossible , everything is the source, just we get blind to that. I don't know why the things are as they are, I guess that it depends of the circumstance, there are infinite possibilities, then this is one. The only thing that is possible to know is what you are being open to it, then everything is you and anything else is irrelevant and impossible to know absolutely, relatively could be, but that really means nothing 

[Malekakisioannis]

@Spiritual Warfare you are lost in your own mind. If you want truth follow the silence.

[Dodo]

Spiritual Warfare is wrong about Leo Gura and Earth. 

[Shodburrito]

@Spiritual Warfare
 

Ask yourself why you are so compelled to try and understand existence. Why do you feel the need to "know" what is going on here?
 

This isn't some surface level question, I am asking you something profound here. You are clearly angry and upset that you don't understand reality and all its complexities. What do you fear by letting go of the need to understand? What if not understanding is better? 

Of course, you will try and claim that understanding reality is better. But, clearly you are very confused, upset, and angry that you don't understand. So clearly obsessing about answering the big questions to life isn't doing you any good. Maybe you should explore the possibility that not-knowing is just as beneficial as knowing.

[Hojo]

9 hours ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

There is no God in control because a God wouldn’t have chosen such a limited player. I can prove this: if an angel came to you and offered you powers, you would accept them! That’s the proof, and for those who claim that God chose this path, please seek help. I hope the cartel catches you. Why couldn’t God remember His nature when He became human? That wouldn’t sabotage the challenges and adventure here on Earth. Forgetting one’s true nature is not beautiful, it’s terrible. It leaves you confused and causes you to forget to live in the present moment.

 

    2.    Reincarnation also doesn’t make sense because something must create these reincarnations, which is absurd. Why should I live my life here on Earth only to forget it later? There’s nothing beautiful about that, it’s terrible.

    3.    A separate God is illogical and impossible. What I’ve concluded is that existence itself is illogical because none of these ideas make sense, none!

Since time isn't real God has created infinite mini games to live in. It has known its existed forever and cannot die so it created a system of mini games that it will live through as it pretends its not God and doesn't exist forever. According to many religion God wrote a script or an algorithm to create infinite scripts of the universe.

Gods limitations are its genius. God had to invent the idea of dying from an infinite state out of nothing. Having a limitation is you observing the incredible genius of your subconscious mind. Gods mind without limitation is chaos. Its everything happening infinitely. But somehow you are here looking around and seeing that you exist. How can God do this? God creates limitations from thin air and so it can experience things separately. Look around at everything that isn't nothing in your perception. All these are limitations of God.

The only thing that reincarnates is God and the 'soul' is the state between life and death it can be Good it can be Bad.God is nothing and exists as nothing but there is something else there that is emoting with God. The thing that is reincarnating is the state between life and death that is God but it is also you your karma. You will be there when you die but you will be emoting seriously and that thing could be what your soul is. You are there with God. When you stop emoting you are just God. Then God can reincarnate but based on what your 'soul' was emoting.

Life and death is happening billions and billions of times across Earth every year. Cycles of the earth and time have been kept by humans and they have mapped out the cycles they have been along that long. They have witnessed thousand and millions of years and been intelligent and stayed around to keep it legible and mapped out. All that time and cycles being witnessed by one Planet in one solar system myths and legends written. This is happening everywhere in an infinite universe and each having its own perspective across perceived infinite time. This is .0000000000000001 percent of how long God has known its existed.

God existed so long People have mapped out its emotions and cycles and feelings. And its mapping it out itself 1 by 1 point of view at a time. God is the people looking at it for infinite time and mapping itself out and seeing that it exists in cycles. How weird is that?

If you can try to imagine that you are a thing that has existed forever and you are inside yourself and seeing that there have been billions of years of you mapping yourself out and that's .00000000001 percent of how long you have existed you might start to understand why God would want to be a human with limitations.

Edited October 24 by Hojo

[creativepursuit]

@Spiritual Warfare do you notice contradicting yourself?

[Spiritual Warfare]

7 hours ago, Malekakisioannis said:

@Spiritual Warfare you are lost in your own mind. If you want truth follow the silence.

Silence will not lead me to the truth, it will only help me understand certain things better.

[Spiritual Warfare]

3 hours ago, Shodburrito said:

@Spiritual Warfare
 

Ask yourself why you are so compelled to try and understand existence. Why do you feel the need to "know" what is going on here?
 

This isn't some surface level question, I am asking you something profound here. You are clearly angry and upset that you don't understand reality and all its complexities. What do you fear by letting go of the need to understand? What if not understanding is better? 

Of course, you will try and claim that understanding reality is better. But, clearly you are very confused, upset, and angry that you don't understand. So clearly obsessing about answering the big questions to life isn't doing you any good. Maybe you should explore the possibility that not-knowing is just as beneficial as knowing.

I believe existence owes us an explanation for why we are here. We have billions of people telling us that we’ll burn in hell for eternity if we don’t accept Jesus as our savior. Even though it sounds unlikely, we can never really know. Why shouldn’t I know these things? Am I supposed to work, build muscle, and get a girlfriend, only for it all to disappear when I die? What’s the point of it all then? Sure, you can enjoy the moment, but in the end, does it really matter? Maybe it does, maybe it doesn’t. I need to know why I’m here, it’s not healthy to live without knowing. And while I understand it’s not healthy to try to understand everything in this life, the real question is why things are the way they are. If someone offered to tell you the truth about existence, you would listen. You wouldn’t say, “No, I don’t want to hear it.”

[Spiritual Warfare]

3 hours ago, Hojo said:

Since time isn't real God has created infinite mini games to live in. It has known its existed forever and cannot die so it created a system of mini games that it will live through as it pretends its not God and doesn't exist forever. According to many religion God wrote a script or an algorithm to create infinite scripts of the universe.

Gods limitations are its genius. God had to invent the idea of dying from an infinite state out of nothing. Having a limitation is you observing the incredible genius of your subconscious mind. Gods mind without limitation is chaos. Its everything happening infinitely. But somehow you are here looking around and seeing that you exist. How can God do this? God creates limitations from thin air and so it can experience things separately. Look around at everything that isn't nothing in your perception. All these are limitations of God.

The only thing that reincarnates is God and the 'soul' is the state between life and death it can be Good it can be Bad.God is nothing and exists as nothing but there is something else there that is emoting with God. The thing that is reincarnating is the state between life and death that is God but it is also you your karma. You will be there when you die but you will be emoting seriously and that thing could be what your soul is. You are there with God. When you stop emoting you are just God. Then God can reincarnate but based on what your 'soul' was emoting.

Life and death is happening billions and billions of times across Earth every year. Cycles of the earth and time have been kept by humans and they have mapped out the cycles they have been along that long. They have witnessed thousand and millions of years and been intelligent and stayed around to keep it legible and mapped out. All that time and cycles being witnessed by one Planet in one solar system myths and legends written. This is happening everywhere in an infinite universe and each having its own perspective across perceived infinite time. This is .0000000000000001 percent of how long God has known its existed.

God existed so long People have mapped out its emotions and cycles and feelings. And its mapping it out itself 1 by 1 point of view at a time. God is the people looking at it for infinite time and mapping itself out and seeing that it exists in cycles. How weird is that?

If you can try to imagine that you are a thing that has existed forever and you are inside yourself and seeing that there have been billions of years of you mapping yourself out and that's .00000000001 percent of how long you have existed you might start to understand why God would want to be a human with limitations.

Everything you wrote is just claims, unfortunately.

[Spiritual Warfare]

1 hour ago, creativepursuit said:

@Spiritual Warfare do you notice contradicting yourself?

Tell me

[Dodo]

14 minutes ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

Tell me

I think you neef to spend time in silence and solitude. Spirituality is about peace, the mind is what does the warfare. 

Actually there can be balance between all things, between the so called dualities. God is on the job. We are here to aid that 👏 🙌