Leo Gura Is Wrong About Existence

[Breakingthewall]

6 minutes ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

Can you tell me more about why freedom cannot be control? Can’t God choose not to be in control? Do you see what I just did? (;

Thats why God doesn't exist, because can't choose . He can't choose existing, neither can't choose being unlimited, then it's absolute power without direction because point to infinite directions. 

[Spiritual Warfare]

1 minute ago, Breakingthewall said:

Thats why God doesn't exist, because can't choose . He can't choose existing, neither can't choose being unlimited, then it's absolute power without direction because point to infinite directions. 

But how can anyone see that as wonderful? I mean, we think to ourselves, ‘Oh, finally I will find peace when I die,’ but if we have to start all over again each time, that’s really not enjoyable. I feel that existence must be something fantastic; I can’t accept that existence is so meaningless and that there is no purpose at all that can be preserved when you die.

[Thought Art]

@Spiritual Warfare That ain’t proof. That’s a logic you invented and a bias you have. “God would serve my limited bias!”.

What if you chose everything about existence as it is right now, good and bad but you forgot? 
 

Edited October 23 by Thought Art

[theleelajoker]

35 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

There isn't a god in control, it's absolutely impossible, but not because that reason. It's impossible because the reality is unlimited and the unlimited can't be under control. If there were a god this god would be dreaming infinite dreams right now, then he couldn't control nothing, would be a crazy god absolutely lost in infinity, without will, power, or any control. This god would dissapear dissolved in infinity, because the infinity can't have a will, just because is one thing and it's opposite, then that will would be indeterminate.

There is only one god and he only has one will: he exists. is. nothing else. I am. period. and I open myself and expand to the infinity, encompass everything and dissapear in the totality of the absolute. thats the only god that exists 

@Breakingthewall I don't know exactly why or how, but lately you express some content that simply stick with me. These ideas about infinity you post about...there is sth to it (for me).

It happened by accident, but I can't stop listening to the "asankh jap" mantra. Even before I researched the meaning of these words they magically connected to me.

Edited October 23 by theleelajoker

[Breakingthewall]

1 minute ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

But how can anyone see that as wonderful? I mean, we think to ourselves, ‘Oh, finally I will find peace when I die,’ but if we have to start all over again each time, that’s really not enjoyable. I feel that existence must be something fantastic; I can’t accept that existence is so meaningless and that there is no purpose at all that can be preserved when you die.

Yeah normal, all of that is precisely the ego, that thing that keep all the humans imprisoned in their minds but same time make the humans exist. But the only absolute wonder is ego less.

3 minutes ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

feel that existence must be something fantastic

It is, it's the absolute glory. It's something so difficult to see, you have to remove your ego to do it . That's the spiritual work, anything else is a trap 

[Javfly33]

 

13 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Thats why God doesn't exist, because can't choose . He can't choose existing, neither can't choose being unlimited, then it's absolute power without direction because point to infinite directions. 

 

9 minutes ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

But how can anyone see that as wonderful? I mean, we think to ourselves, ‘Oh, finally I will find peace when I die,’ but if we have to start all over again each time, that’s really not enjoyable. I feel that existence must be something fantastic; I can’t accept that existence is so meaningless and that there is no purpose at all that can be preserved when you die.

 

What you guys miss is that existence is the ego, feeling of 'I' or being in an 'experience' or 'existing' is the whole illusion that spirituality has the goal of annihilating. 

Edited October 23 by Javfly33

[Spiritual Warfare]

9 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

@Spiritual Warfare That ain’t proof. That’s a logic you invented and a bias you have. “God would serve my limited bias!”.

What if you chose everything about existence as it is right now, good and bad but you forgot? 
 

But God could have remembered His nature while still experiencing things as we do today as humans. Why doesn’t that sound better than forgetting everything? If it is true that God wanted to forget His identity, what is the purpose of that? How can that be enjoyable? We humans want to know things, not forget them. Everything just feels really strange considering that God is the most intelligent being there is, which means He would have chosen to remember His nature because that makes everyone happy, and God could still have challenges.

[Breakingthewall]

3 minutes ago, theleelajoker said:

@Breakingthewall I don't know exactly why or how, but lately you express some content that simply stick with me. These ideas about infinity you post about...there is sth to it (for me).

It happened by accident, but I can't stop listening to the "asankh jap" mantra. Even before I researched the meaning of these words they magically connected to me.

I guess because the infinity wants to open inside you. Should be something very common, since that is the reality, but its extremely difficult, i get it in some moments in other moments not so, but it's obvious: the only way is the total opening to yourself, and the door that closes is the ego, and anything with any definition is ego, the only way is release everything 

[Breakingthewall]

4 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

 

 

 

What you guys miss is that existence is the ego, feeling of 'I' or being in an 'experience' or 'existing' is the whole illusion that spirituality has the goal of annihilating. 

If you totally erase the ego, you still exist, and you know that you exist, but you are not something of someone, you are the existence. It's something that is happening right now, always. In fact there is nothing else. You could be open to it now, but you are a door that closes. You have to be absolutely simple, totally empty, if not you close. Any single stain of ego closes. 

[Yimpa]

God is Infinite Wrongness

[Javfly33]

 

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If you totally erase the ego, you still exist, and you know that you exist, but you are not something of someone, you are the existence

There is a dimension, state, or destination where you dissappear. In that You are not even the existence.

Think about it, if you are the 'existence' you still are bound by being something. In this case, is being the existence.

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You could be open to it now, but you are a door that closes. You have to be absolutely simple, totally empty, if not you close. Any single stain of ego closes. 

Yes, I agree. So why you say you are the existence?

By you identifying with anything (even with 'Reality') notice you are closing the door.

When you are open you are open because you are not identifying yourself with anything, not even with an existence or a reality. This is precisely what makes you 'open'.

Edited October 23 by Javfly33

[theleelajoker]

Just now, Breakingthewall said:

I guess because the infinity wants to open inside you. Should be something very common, since that is the reality, but its extremely difficult, i get it in some moments in other moments not so, but it's obvious: the only way is the total opening to yourself, and the door that closes is the ego, and anything with any definition is ego, the only way is release everything 

Yes I can relate to that. Compared to the previous months and years, I also experience extended periods where I am more present. Less thinking. Less definitions. More - or at least more noticeable - synchronicities.

Just talked to my gf about yesterday, just my impression that reality lately feels different in some moments. As if life opens a door for me, all I have to do is enter. The price of admission is openness - especially when interacting with other people. Just as you said in a post some time ago - got to stay open when interacting with others or you loose your openness...

[Breakingthewall]

1 minute ago, Javfly33 said:

No, trust me, there is a dimension, state, or destination where you dissappear. You are not even the existence.

Think about it, if you are the 'existence' you still are bound by being something. In this case, is being the existence.

This is not Enlightment, this is still identification. Trust me I´ve seen what I´m talking about. Not want to sound arrogant just have to share the possibility.

It's absolutely impossible. When I say existence it's not a mental idea, it's that I erase the limits and I perceive myself without bottom. There can't be the slightest doubt, I am that. Always. There are no limits, it's the eternity, the unlimited, and I realize that it's absolutely obvious, always is like that. But then you start to think and put limits again, it's a subtle game. 

[theleelajoker]

12 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

If you totally erase the ego, you still exist, and you know that you exist, but you are not something of someone, you are the existence. It's something that is happening right now, always. In fact there is nothing else. You could be open to it now, but you are a door that closes. You have to be absolutely simple, totally empty, if not you close. Any single stain of ego closes. 

LOL synchronicities like this we typed the "door" analogy at the same time

Edited October 23 by theleelajoker

[Breakingthewall]

3 minutes ago, theleelajoker said:

especially when interacting with other people. Just as you said in a post some time ago - got to stay open when interacting with others or you loose your openness..

Exactly, it's an attitude that have to be in everything, it's something that you do little by little, step by step. Your mind start to be more and more empty, but there are a lot of grips, fears, lies, you have to polish all time, but step by step, not because you want to be better or anything, it's a matter of freedom. You want to be absolutely free because anything else is wrong path, then you focus in it until you can open your mind. 

[Breakingthewall]

11 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

Yes, I agree. So why you say you are the existence?

By you identifying with anything (even with 'Reality') notice you are closing the door.

Existence means that you are, and it's the case. It's not an identification, its the explanation of something. Existence doesn't means nothing, but anyway maybe could be an identification. Anyway, what's obvious is that anything That you are is beyond the mental construction, then you have to forget the mental construction. Really it's something quite obvious, but same time really difficult 

[Spiritual Warfare]

@Breakingthewall 

The problem is how will I ever know that my ego needs to go or that I can remove it? Just because something sounds logical and good doesn’t mean it is true. That’s why I have so much fear about existence, because I don’t know if I’m fooling myself or not.

[theleelajoker]

10 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Exactly, it's an attitude that have to be in everything, it's something that you do little by little, step by step. Your mind start to be more and more empty, but there are a lot of grips, fears, lies, you have to polish all time, but step by step, not because you want to be better or anything, it's a matter of freedom. You want to be absolutely free because anything else is wrong path, then you focus in it until you can open your mind. 

Yes, I can relate to that so much. Had some business meetings today and I can still feel that situations when I fought against or took the emotional/psychological risks, when I fought with my expectations of how I want things to go etc.

And - I clearly remember how reality opened up for me, how the whole vibe and mood in the room changed when I did. Very magical experience.

And yes, it only works step by step, little by little for me too. And yes, it has to be in everything. Try to gain control and I loose.

Edited October 23 by theleelajoker

[Yimpa]

@theleelajoker good job for challenging yourself 

[Breakingthewall]

Just now, Spiritual Warfare said:

@Breakingthewall 

The problem is how will I ever know that my ego needs to go or that I can remove it? Just because something sounds logical and good doesn’t mean it is true. That’s why I have so much fear about existence, because I don’t know if I’m fooling myself or not.

Instinct. Nothing else.