Earth is a punishment

[Basman]

Your going to suffer no matter what you do in life, but there are degrees of suffering and if you live a good life then the good feelings will far outweigh the suffering. If you are going to suffer no matter what, why not throw yourself at something that excites you? Suffering can be meaningful and a learning experience, so its not all bad.

By the sounds of it, you either need to grow a spine or your genuinely suffering due to some abnormality, in which case I recommend you seek help. You don't have to suffer helplessly.

The problem with spirituality online is that so many of you are just seeking to escape suffering as opposed to being curios or following some kind of calling. This kind of escapism leads to so much floundering and weird fantasies that don't serve you. Enlightenment won't solve your problems.

[Javfly33]

9 hours ago, Basman said:

Your going to suffer no matter what you do in life, but there are degrees of suffering and if you live a good life then the good feelings will far outweigh the suffering. If you are going to suffer no matter what, why not throw yourself at something that excites you? Suffering can be meaningful and a learning experience, so its not all bad.

By the sounds of it, you either need to grow a spine or your genuinely suffering due to some abnormality, in which case I recommend you seek help. You don't have to suffer helplessly.

The problem with spirituality online is that so many of you are just seeking to escape suffering as opposed to being curios or following some kind of calling. This kind of escapism leads to so much floundering and weird fantasies that don't serve you. Enlightenment won't solve your problems.

Devil detected. 

[Salvijus]

5 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

Devil detected. 

[Ulax]

@Spiritual Warfare Depends on your psychological state and your life circumstances.

[Basman]

2 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

Devil detected. 

Referring to the last paragraph? What is so devilish about rejecting the notion of "spiritual salvation"? Isn't devilry when you abuse spirituality to give your ego license to act out?

Maybe your just a dogmatic fool.

[Ishanga]

13 hours ago, Basman said:

Your going to suffer no matter what you do in life, but there are degrees of suffering and if you live a good life then the good feelings will far outweigh the suffering. If you are going to suffer no matter what, why not throw yourself at something that excites you? Suffering can be meaningful and a learning experience, so its not all bad.

By the sounds of it, you either need to grow a spine or your genuinely suffering due to some abnormality, in which case I recommend you seek help. You don't have to suffer helplessly.

The problem with spirituality online is that so many of you are just seeking to escape suffering as opposed to being curios or following some kind of calling. This kind of escapism leads to so much floundering and weird fantasies that don't serve you. Enlightenment won't solve your problems.

Suffering is a choice, a mostly Unconscious choice for most... Pain will happen in life for sure, one can never avoid that, but suffering is pain being relived in Your Mind over and over again, so it is You causing more pain to yourself, so that is where the choice comes in, You can experience Pain, become Wise from it, then move on, Suffering means that you unconsciously bring Yourself back into the pain and cannot move on, so Your stuck in the past where Life is not present, life is only present Now in this Moment!

Edited October 22 by Ishanga

[UnbornTao]

You become what you think.

Edited October 24 by UnbornTao

[Javfly33]

2 hours ago, Basman said:

Referring to the last paragraph? What is so devilish about rejecting the notion of "spiritual salvation"? Isn't devilry when you abuse spirituality to give your ego license to act out?

 

Is not that you are a devil naturally but you get by the side of the devil when you say suffering can not be avoided or that starting the spiritual path to avoid suffering is an invalid choice.

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What is so devilish about rejecting the notion of "spiritual salvation"? 

Because that´s what the devil does. The devil rejects the salvation.

How a devil can exist? By rejecting God and Truth. Which is precisely what you are doing. 

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Maybe your just a dogmatic fool.

Maybe. Or maybe i´ve seen possibilities that you haven´t seen yet. 

Edited October 22 by Javfly33

[Basman]

10 hours ago, Ishanga said:

Suffering is a choice, a mostly Unconscious choice for most... Pain will happen in life for sure, one can never avoid that, but suffering is pain being relived in Your Mind over and over again, so it is You causing more pain to yourself, so that is where the choice comes in, You can experience Pain, become Wise from it, then move on, Suffering means that you unconsciously bring Yourself back into the pain and cannot move on, so Your stuck in the past where Life is not present, life is only present Now in this Moment!

Can you prove that suffering is a choice? I'm genuinely interested in what you think.

9 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

Is not that you are a devil naturally but you get by the side of the devil when you say suffering can not be avoided or that starting the spiritual path to avoid suffering is an invalid choice.

Because that´s what the devil does. The devil rejects the salvation.

How a devil can exist? By rejecting God and Truth. Which is precisely what you are doing. 

Maybe. Or maybe i´ve seen possibilities that you haven´t seen yet. 

I think most of you would benefit way more from just earning more money, getting therapy, getting laid more, living a more successful life in the conventional ways, etc. 99% of the time, the conventional works in my opinion so I'm going to promote that over lofty spiritual ideals.

Spiritual fantasy gives the ego license to dabble in self-improvement without truly committing to action, so you just stay stuck spinning your wheels while fancying yourselves geniuses. What I reject is the romanticization by phonies. Most of you are naked emperors as far as I'm concerned and you are not getting an inch of credibility.

[Javfly33]

8 hours ago, Basman said:

I think most of you would benefit way more from just earning more money, getting therapy, getting laid more, living a more successful life in the conventional ways, etc. 99% of the time, the conventional works in my opinion so I'm going to promote that over lofty spiritual ideals.

I know you think like that. That´s how a devil thinks. 

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the conventional works in my opinion so I'm going to promote that over lofty spiritual ideals.

Yes, they work a lot. That´s why there are guys living in mansions with 3 Lamborguinis and 2 Ferraris depressed, empty and doing cocaine 5 times a week to have a bit of stimulation in their life.

Because what you say "works".

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lofty spiritual ideals.

My lofty spiritual ideas are just Life goals outside of the sad ones of yours which are aspiring to be a bit better than someone else or having more money or more success than someone else.

 

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Spiritual fantasy gives the ego license without truly committing to action

LOL. How you can know how much action have I taken? I bet much more than you.

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What I reject is the romanticization by phonies.

You haven´t seen anything more than survival in life so everything that is outside of that you call it 'romantization'.

Notice how low you have set your bar. 

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Most of you are naked emperors as far as I'm concerned and you are not getting an inch of credibility.

I probably dress better than you. Typing this on a Giuseppe Zanottis of 500$. But I did not buy those to feel happy or satisfied it was a representation of beauty, of my internal being. 

Either way...even If i would be typing this in an 30$ converse it does not matter... when the light of moment of Death comes, we will be stripped naked and everything false will be taken from us. 

Are you ready for that? 

Im just warning you...you can not take your money or 'lays' when Life reclaims your life. So careful betting on that for well being, although if you had actually made money or had enough sex with beatiful women you would had already realized that won´t fullfill you. 

Edited October 23 by Javfly33

[Basman]

2 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

I know you think like that. That´s how a devil thinks. 

Yes, they work a lot. That´s why there are guys living in mansions with 3 Lamborguinis and 2 Ferraris depressed, empty and doing cocaine 5 times a week to have a bit of stimulation in their life.

Because what you say "works".

My lofty spiritual ideas are just Life goals outside of the sad ones of yours which are aspiring to be a bit better than someone else or having more money or more success than someone else.

 

LOL. How you can know how much action have I taken? I bet much more than you.

You haven´t seen anything more than survival in life so everything that is outside of that you call it 'romantization'.

Notice how low you have set your bar. 

I probably dress better than you. Typing this on a Giuseppe Zanottis of 500$. But I did not buy those to feel happy or satisfied it was a representation of beauty, of my internal being. 

Either way...even If i would be typing this in an 30$ converse it does not matter... when the light of moment of Death comes, we will be stripped naked and everything false will be taken from us. 

Are you ready for that? 

Im just warning you...you can not take your money or 'lays' when Life reclaims your life. So careful betting on that for well being, although if you had actually made money or had enough sex with beatiful women you would had already realized that won´t fullfill you. 

This isn't how wise and spiritual people argue. Your a glorified keyboard warrior, ala Reddit, which is why I hardly take anyone seriously here. Just look how defensive you get.

Of course, if you have success then loftier spiritual goals are appropriate but that is not the case for the majority. The problem is that your survival needs infect how you approach life so it is better to just be honest and take things step by step instead. That is not devilry. Devilry is abusing spirituality which is what am trying to avoid. There is too much virtue signaling going on in my opinion.

[Ishanga]

11 hours ago, Basman said:

Can you prove that suffering is a choice? I'm genuinely interested in what you think.

 

Most all Experiences are a choice of how You Experience it, other than being physically tortured against Your Will, how can someone else affect You if You don't allow them too?

What is the difference btwn Pain and Suffering? There's all sorts of Pain, and Suffering too, but for me the difference btwn the two is intensity, Suffering is more intense than Pain, and it longer lasting, as i said its mostly mind made stuff. 

Most ppl are Suffering their compulsive thought patterns and desires, and looking for quick pleasure results which dissipate over time.  Basically they look for Life outside themselves for Fulfilment, but all Life Experience is within YOU, where else would it be? If that is the case, but Your unconscious of it, then what is the result? Suffering mostly!

[Breakingthewall]

4 hours ago, Ishanga said:

Most all Experiences are a choice of how You Experience it,

Millions are sick, in misery, repressed, enjailed, exploited, working like slaves, old in loneliness, with chronic pain , without be able to leave a bed, surrounded by false people, do you think that this is their choice? It's funny. I'm not suffering at all, I'm healthy, I ve everything that I want, freedom, love around, but I'm not so naive that thing those "spiritual" ideas about the choice. If you are really enlightened, you could be in harmony in any circumstance, but who is really enlightened? 1 for every 200 millions? No one? You maybe?

Ah sorry, you aren't going to answer because I criticize sadhguru 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Man you are the most funny person in this forum 

Edited October 23 by Breakingthewall

[Ishanga]

29 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Millions are sick, in misery, repressed, enjailed, exploited, working like slaves, old in loneliness, with chronic pain , without be able to leave a bed, surrounded by false people, do you think that this is their choice? It's funny. I'm not suffering at all, I'm healthy, I ve everything that I want, freedom, love around, but I'm not so naive that thing those "spiritual" ideas about the choice. If you are really enlightened, you could be in harmony in any circumstance, but who is really enlightened? 1 for every 200 millions? No one? You maybe?

Ah sorry, you aren't going to answer because I criticize sadhguru 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Man you are the most funny person in this forum 

Again there is a situation (Sick, repressed, exploited, etc), then the Experience of it, in the Experience of it is where the choice is.. I'm not saying there is no Pain, of course there would be some Pain if I was in those situations, but I don't have to Suffer it, if I suffer it then my chances of getting out of a situation like that are less, since Suffering is a sort of disability isn't it? 

Again, unless there is someone physically Torturing You and Your unable to get out of it, what else could someone do to You to cause Suffering? They can cause pain to you, physically hurt you, but does the pain go on and on? Yes ppl get in accidents, they get injured and go thru the physical pain then and maybe afterwards, that is a sort of Torture isn't it! I am talking about ppl, the majority, that are not in a situation like this, and they still Suffer, they suffer everything going on and not going on..

Are Ppl empowered or disempowered when they experience Suffering? They are Disempowered, but the situation is such that they need to be at their best to get out of it, so Suffering disables but Your needing to be Enabled to get out of it, you see it now?

 

[Spiritual Warfare]

On 2024-10-22 at 3:50 PM, UnbornTao said:

 

That above is hell. So remember:

Things are the way they are held in your mind.  

I hope you’re right, because I don’t want to wake up one day and find myself tormented without my consent.

[Breakingthewall]

@Ishanga  

People suffer by default because since the human being separates itself from the natural order and becomes a social being that modifies nature instead of adapting to it, he must deform his mind to be a cog that fits into the system.

The fact of having a mind/ego is synonymous with suffering except in the case of enlightenment, since the ego mind is lack by definition. It is oriented towards what is missing, towards the negative, and the most negative possible is the inevitable death, which is why it invents a programming code called religion, in order to function in a way that is not completely depressing. 

The only way to stop the suffering that every adult human have, maybe in many cases running in background, unconsciously, is real enlightenment, the opening to the absolute reality. Religion works is many senses but still there is suffering 

[UnbornTao]

12 hours ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

I hope you’re right, because I don’t want to wake up one day and find myself tormented without my consent.

You can also question what life is and how the way you use your mind influences--and maybe even creates--your experience of it.

Edited October 24 by UnbornTao

[Spiritual Warfare]

2 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

What is life is a better question.

Yes, and we will never find out.

[Basman]

8 hours ago, Ishanga said:

Most all Experiences are a choice of how You Experience it, other than being physically tortured against Your Will, how can someone else affect You if You don't allow them too?

What is the difference btwn Pain and Suffering? There's all sorts of Pain, and Suffering too, but for me the difference btwn the two is intensity, Suffering is more intense than Pain, and it longer lasting, as i said its mostly mind made stuff. 

Most ppl are Suffering their compulsive thought patterns and desires, and looking for quick pleasure results which dissipate over time.  Basically they look for Life outside themselves for Fulfilment, but all Life Experience is within YOU, where else would it be? If that is the case, but Your unconscious of it, then what is the result? Suffering mostly!

Why is suffering even a problem from the perspective of enlightenment? Surely, not wanting to suffer is a human/creature bias and irrelevant to enlightenment. Just spitballing.

[Schizophonia]

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