Earth is a punishment

[Spiritual Warfare]

Just now, Someone here said:

Of course this world is not perfect . There are limitations . But imagine playing a video game on God-mode. Imagine playing GTA on God mode when you have unlimited money an unlimited health and you can't die and fire doesn't affect you and you can bust through walls or fly etc ..then isn't the fun gone ? Don't you enjoy playing a challenging video game? Same with life my friend. Its bittersweet. The challenges are what make it beautiful and exciting.  Millionaires kill themselves because life is boring for them. Labor worker and farmers here in India are one of the most happy people I ever knew . Because they earn every piece of bread they get  .maybe you need to work or engage in something exciting. 

I agree that I need to work with something existing and that challenges can be fun, but I feel like we could have fewer limitations and still face challenges. I feel like we are too limited, and I think you agree with that. But the difference between you and me is that you’ve found a way to accept or even love those limitations, which I have not.

[Spiritual Warfare]

3 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

First if Your not naturally there, Accepting, Joyful nature and at Peace within, Responding not Reacting, then You have to practice it and find a practice (Sadhana) that works for You, stay with it consistently and see little by little results.. Focus on Your Inner Experience first, don't be too too concerned with what is happening with outside world and all that shit.. First be the Light You want to see in the world, and never suffer others suffering, if you do then your always a Slave to situations, and situations never go completely your way, so you'll be forever a slave if you live like this,, 

To be Human the fundamental is our ability to exert Free Will, and determine how we want to be within Yourself, if You don't do this, then all potential is lost and that is Tragic..

Thank you, I know I need to do this, but it doesn’t give me peace, it only makes my life easier.

[James123]

16 hours ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

Living as a human being on Earth is hell. It doesn’t matter if you’ve solved the riddles of existence, which you haven’t, damn it. It doesn’t matter if you meditate and experience pure love. The truth is that existence on Earth is more of a curse than a gift, and anyone who understands the nature of it all knows that. People want to live alone, but they’ll experience suffering, unnecessary suffering. Even if someone wants to make friends or find a lifelong partner, they’ll suffer when that friend dies. Everything you do brings suffering, which is so frustrating and unfair. What the hell is this, really? Leo, you’re right about the nature of existence on many levels, but you have to stop saying that existence is wonderful here on Earth, because it’s not. I don’t mean to scare you, but I feel suicidal when I think deeply about this. I can’t accept that this is reality.

 

 

Fuck itttt. You will die anyway. Just fucking danceeeeeee!!!

[Spiritual Warfare]

1 minute ago, James123 said:

Fuck itttt. You will die anyway. Just fucking danceeeeeee!!!

😁

[Someone here]

@Ishanga I appreciate you but I don't think you are helping him by putting the responsibility on his shoulders. Choice is illusory. 

Just take five minutes to investigate your life ..turn within and  you will come to realize that your whole life has been mapped out for you before you came on this earth. Everything is predestined. However..if you look at it in the right way..it's beautiful and freeing..because it means that you are not responsible for anything in your life at all. If your life has been mapped out what have you got to do? 
Whatever has to be done will be done by itself. Wherever you have to be you will be. With whom you will have to be you will be with that person. Etc.  The work you have to do will be done. It's wonderful when you think about this. 
 

Edited October 21 by Someone here

[Thought Art]

@Spiritual Warfare

Lion’s Roar!!!!!

[Ishanga]

6 minutes ago, Someone here said:

@Ishanga I appreciate you but I don't think you are helping him by putting the responsibility on his shoulders. Choice is illusory. 

Just take five minutes to investigate your life ..turn within and  you will come to realize that your whole life has been mapped out for you before you came on this earth. Everything i predestined. However..if you look at it in the right way..it's beautiful and freeing..because it means that you are not responsible for anything in your life at all. If your life has been mapped out what have you got to do? 
Whatever has to be done will be done by itself. Wherever you have to be you will be. With whom you will have to be you will be with that person. Etc.  The work yoy have to do will be done. It's wonderful when you think about this. 
 

On this plane and realm we are completely Responsible for our lives, by our lives I mean our Inner Experience, life is not outside of us or what is the situations around Us, How we respond to it is up to Us, so this is where Life, so if one is thinking I am not Responsible then it causes them suffering... That is the reality for Us on this plane of existence with a Body and Mind...

Life is not predetermined, situations may be, but not how You respond too it, and that is where Life is.. Only once something happens, the past, then one can say that was determined, but that is after the fact...what can happen in the future is not determined, each moment is open to any and all possibility..

Edited October 21 by Ishanga

[Someone here]

7 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

On this plane and realm we are completely Responsible for our lives, by our lives I mean our Inner Experience, life is not outside of us or what is the situations around Us, How we respond to it is up to Us, so this is where Life, so if one is thinking I am not Responsible then it causes them suffering... That is the reality for Us on this plane of existence with a Body and Mind...

The body is not yourself. The 
mind is not yourself. They're only temporary conditionings. They're there for a while then they're gone. Like bubbles on the ocean. Bubbles come bubbles go every second. Yet the 
ocean always remains the same. And so it is with life on this planet. People come people go. things come..things go everything changes.. changes..changes but you are the ocean of 
bliss. You have absolutely nothing to do with these changes whatsoever. This is the key realisation to freedom or liberation. 

[gettoefl]

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To fulfil the Will of God perfectly is the only joy and peace that can be fully known, because it is the only activity that can be fully experienced. When this is reached, then, there is no other experience. Yet your wish for other experience will block its happening, because God's Will cannot be forced upon you, being an experience of total willingness. Your true self understands how to reach this and to teach this, but you currently do not. That is why you need to align yourself as follows. Only such a teaching will release your will to God's, uniting it with His power and His glory and thereby establishing them as yours. You share them just like God shares them, because this is the natural condition of their being.

You who are a part of God have the blessed function of sharing His Being by placing no limits upon it. When you meet anyone, treat it as a holy encounter. As you see them you will see yourself. As you treat them you will treat yourself. As you think of them you will think of yourself. Never forget this, for in them you will find yourself or lose yourself. Whenever two fragments of God meet, they are given another chance at self-knowledge. Do not leave anyone without giving this gift to them and receiving it yourself. 

- A Course in Miracles

 

Edited October 21 by gettoefl

[Ishanga]

8 minutes ago, Someone here said:

The body is not yourself. The 
mind is not yourself. They're only temporary conditionings. They're there for a while then they're gone. Like bubbles on the ocean. Bubbles come bubbles go every second. Yet the 
ocean always remains the same. And so it is with life on this planet. People come people go. things come..things go everything changes.. changes..changes but you are the ocean of 
bliss. You have absolutely nothing to do with these changes whatsoever. This is the key realisation to freedom or liberation. 

Yes I understand this, this is Absolute perspective and is the fundamental Truth, but we still have to deal with this Body and Mind, if we deny this, then ppl suffer (see Spiritual Warefare or the Mental Health sub forum), its a form of Spiritual Bypassing to say that what happens here with this body and mind, and dual material world means nothing and has nothing to do with anything, to that and You suffer plane and simple.

Your perspective is what I call "Top Down" method, its like what Ramana M taught, that is great for those here with an already established Spiritual realization from birth, via their Karmic blueprint, they did spiritual practice or already had a spiritual realization in a previous incarnation, and it reflects here, but not all are like this, some need more sadhana and work on it, both are needed in this world but one has to see the whole picture, not just the Absolute perspective..

The whole point of Spiritual practice and paths is to get to a point of what Your saying in your post, its an Internal Realization, that should be our fundamental Experience, then we can play this game here on this dual plane with bodies and minds and not suffer it, and live to higher potentials and possibilities,  Deny it and suffering is the result..

Edited October 21 by Ishanga

[Sugarcoat]

15 hours ago, Ishanga said:

From what I understand from research, as I haven't had the personal experience of it, what is happening with all life is just that its working the karma out that has been created, think of cause and effect, but most life is not as Conscious as we are or are capable of the levels of Consciousness that we can achieve, so the higher up the ladder You to us, life gets more complex and with that Awareness is needed, otherwise Your living by accident (compulsively and via lower levels of Consciousness, Survival levels mostly) but karma is still being played out in your life, that has to work its way out, you come back life over lifetime to work it out, with the hope that You learn and become more and more Aware of Reality as this process goes on, up until the point You reach Enlightenment, that is the point of Spirituality, you end the cycle of Karma and birth/death/rebirth,, Its Potential playing things out, so in the End, Absolute learns and Experiences itself...

One time I wrote about this thing about ending the cycle of rebirth. It got me thinking, wouldn’t it have happened already in all of eternity? But since we are here it couldn’t have happened. Or maybe it’s possible to end the cycle but then later it restarts, explaining why we are here

[Ishanga]

Just now, Sugarcoat said:

One time I wrote about this thing about ending the cycle of rebirth. It got me thinking, wouldn’t it have happened already in all of eternity? But since we are here it couldn’t have happened. Or maybe it’s possible to end the cycle but then later it restarts, explaining why we are here

we could have gone thru thousands of incarnations, from being a plant, to insect, to tree to an animal to eventually Human, we can even go backwards, from Human back to animal, so the idea here is too have realizations and stop the cycle!!

[Sugarcoat]

1 minute ago, Ishanga said:

we could have gone thru thousands of incarnations, from being a plant, to insect, to tree to an animal to eventually Human, we can even go backwards, from Human back to animal, so the idea here is too have realizations and stop the cycle!!

Ok👍🏻the question is then how

[Ishanga]

2 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Ok👍🏻the question is then how

Yoga, Buddhism, Taoism, all these time tested methods, find one that works for You, stay with it, first develop Peace within, that makes You stable, if You are not at Peace within naturally no matter what is happening around You, then no method will help You escape this karmic cycle...

From a natural sense of Peace within, then ego is controlled or not a presence in Your life, then energies naturally rise up, and potentials in life present themselves naturally, no effort is needed, life is now at Ease, You have Clarity, and can see what is happening easily and then life is transformed!

Edited October 21 by Ishanga

[Sugarcoat]

2 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

Yoga, Buddhism, Taoism, all these time tested methods, find one that works for You, stay with it, first develop Peace within, that makes You stable, if You are not at Peace within naturally no matter what is happening around You, then no method will help You escape this karmic cycle...

From a natural sense of Peace within, then ego is controlled or not a presence in Your life, then energies naturally rise up, and potentials in life present themselves naturally, no effort is needed, life is now at Ease, You have Clarity, and can see what is happening easily and then life is transformed!

Ok👍🏻

[Someone here]

12 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

Yes I understand this, this is Absolute perspective and is the fundamental Truth, but we still have to deal with this Body and Mind, if we deny this, then ppl suffer (see Spiritual Warefare or the Mental Health sub forum), its a form of Spiritual Bypassing to say that what happens here with this body and mind, and dual material world means nothing and has nothing to do with anything, to that and You suffer plane and simple.

Your perspective is what I call "Top Down" method, its like what Ramana M taught, that is great for those here with an already established Spiritual realization from birth, via their Karmic blueprint, they did spiritual practice or already had a spiritual realization in a previous incarnation, and it reflects here, but not all are like this, some need more sadhana and work on it, both are needed in this world but one has to see the whole picture, not just the Absolute perspective..

The whole point of Spiritual practice and paths is to get to a point of what Your saying in your post, its an Internal Realization, that should be our fundamental Experience, then we can play this game here on this dual plane with bodies and minds and not suffer it, and live to higher potentials and possibilities,  Deny it and suffering is the result..

Ok i need need some help understanding something . (I know we had this conversation about free will numerous times in the past )but what I'm talking about is not only from the perspective of the absolute.  Its from that of a physical body as well . Lets say the body is real and the mind is real and that you are a human (this is how it appears right ?)I'm not gonna start citing the scientific studies that were done in the last century that shows that the brain takes a decision 10 millisecond before your conscious decision.  So for example..I decided to take a cigarette..putting it into my mouth and smoke .what happened here ?the brain decides before I have the thought of smoking and then it appears that I made the decision consciously .while in fact it was completely inevitable.

Please try this simple experiment:

Get a piece of paper and pen..and write down the first movie that comes to mind . no deliberation.

Notice how the content of whatever movie it was was completely unanticipated and random? It just happened..perhaps it was related to a recent memory or experience you had today. Notice how that was also out of control. Right ?

Now extend the realization of this experience of happening of thinking of a movie to your entire existence.

So whichever way you want to think about ..there is no choice neither to the body mind nor to the absolute. 

[Ishanga]

2 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Ok i need need some help understanding something . (I know we had this conversation about free will numerous times in the past )but what I'm talking about is not only from the perspective of the absolute.  Its from that of a physical body as well . Lets say the body is real and the mind is real and that you are a human (this is how it appears right ?)I'm not gonna start citing the scientific studies that were done in the last century that shows that the brain takes a decision 10 millisecond before your conscious decision.  So for example..I decided to take a cigarette..putting it into my mouth and smoke .what happened here ?the brain decides before I have the thought of smoking and then it appears that I made the decision consciously .while in fact it was completely inevitable.

Please try this simple experiment:

Get a piece of paper and pen..and write down the first movie that comes to mind . no deliberation.

Notice how the content of whatever movie it was was completely unanticipated and random? It just happened..perhaps it was related to a recent memory or experience you had today. Notice how that was also out of control. Right ?

Now extend the realization of this experience of happening of thinking of a movie to your entire existence.

So whichever way you want to think about ..there is no choice neither to the body mind nor to the absolute. 

I can agree, the Body and Mind are full of Karma or Conditioning, Tendencies or one can say "Predetermination" but that is the level of Survival and Intentions and taking actions, the body is very Survival Orientated, the Mind is very Cultural and Societal orientated, its very conditioned, what You think, Your ideologies of Life, likes and dislikes are very conditioned into You as well as influenced by genes and such (all of this are forms of memory which relates to Karma), but we are not the Body and Mind (as You said earlier), we can rise about the Body and Mind level of Awareness, and be Undetermined in only "How we Experience Life", which has nothing to do with Actions, or thinking, or intentions, its before all of that, and via the Experience of Oneness, Completeness, Bliss, Consciousness, Absolute, then we function here with a Body and Mind, perform actions that in someways seem predetermined, but our experience is not, and that is where life is...

The higher up Your Intensity is of Awareness, Perception, Consciousness, Bliss (Sat Chit Ananda, Truth/Consciousness/Bliss) then the more Free Will You have access too, this is only in the realm of our Personal Experience, which is either of a separate detached Individual entity from everything else, or that of Oneness, Connected, Inclusive with Everything else...Not of what the Body does, what the Mind does, its thinking process, its survival mechanism process and the desires it wants to fulfill!!

[Princess Arabia]

9 hours ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

You say I should stop caring about seeing myself as human,

No, I said human alone. You want to be happy 100% of the time with a disturbed, neurotic and delusional mind? Most people's minds are like that, so I'm not singling you out, it's the energetic nature of the individual that thinks it's separate and cannot be any other way) Good luck with that. It's the mind that wants to be happy. What's beyond the mind is already at peace. Can't solve a dilemma with the same consciousness that created it, Step out of the mind to recognize peace, the peace that is always there. That space where all thoughts arises from is peaceful and doesn't care about the minds quest for peace. It will never obtain peace because it's not in it's nature where all it can see is the past and the future. There is no peace dwelling there, peace is now and forever present before you threw the pebble in the waters to stir it up looking for peace.

[Princess Arabia]

9 hours ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

I am trying very hard to focus on the positive aspects of myself

This is a trap. A mind trap. Life is duality. Positive and negative. Both are needed for balance. All the negative things we call negative also has positivity in them and the positive also has negativity. It's the mind that distinguishes negative from positive. The Universe cannot operate without both which collapses both into one. Focusing on the positive alone will bring about imbalance. It's also saying the negatives aren't needed. The mind is still being focused on the negatives by putting it's attention on the positive because it's saying the negative still exists. It wouldn't need to focus on any either way if it didn't have the comparison, the judgements and the criticisms and comparisons of itself.

The answer is to let life be. Allow for the negatives and the positives and observe them without judgement. Leave the mind out of it with it's ruminations. It will happen, of course but just take it back inside awareness. Keep taking it back and taking it back and taking it back. How? By noticing who is aware of the mind acting up. By going inside out on not outside in but trying to focus on within. That's the only place where focus is needed except in practical circumstances and everyday life. 

We are all focussed on the outside world and ignoring our true nature. Blah, blah, you might say; but the mind will never win; it will always be defeated when it tries to fight. Truth can not be conquered and will always win. You are truth and there is no other.

[Breakingthewall]

On 20/10/2024 at 10:01 PM, Spiritual Warfare said:

Living as a human being on Earth is hell. It doesn’t matter if you’ve solved the riddles of existence, which you haven’t, damn it. It doesn’t matter if you meditate and experience pure love. The truth is that existence on Earth is more of a curse than a gift, and anyone who understands the nature of it all knows that. People want to live alone, but they’ll experience suffering, unnecessary suffering. Even if someone wants to make friends or find a lifelong partner, they’ll suffer when that friend dies. Everything you do brings suffering, which is so frustrating and unfair. What the hell is this, really? Leo, you’re right about the nature of existence on many levels, but you have to stop saying that existence is wonderful here on Earth, because it’s not. I don’t mean to scare you, but I feel suicidal when I think deeply about this. I can’t accept that this is reality.

 

 

On 20/10/2024 at 10:01 PM, Spiritual Warfare said:

 

Seems like a evolutive path, and any evolution is pushed by suffering