What's the next "Holon", "Meta", "Paradigm"?

[Keryo Koffa]

What's the next revolutionary idea, perspective, recontextualization, awareness expansion?
Something as powerful a lens as becoming aware of Meta or Holons as a structure.

Be it a framework or signifier such as: Qualia, Quanta, Psyche, Space, Time, Balance, Synergy.
What are the most complex or significant concepts you can offer to explore and expand through?
Some lens of perception, be it synchronicity or the whole experiential notion of "Thingness" itself.

And yes, I post this in this section specifically to stave off the non-dualist neo advaitan gangs.

[Staples]

Why not go full circle back to radical duality? Where everything is unique upon itself, with no similar properties or oneness to it.

It kinda holds up.

[Keryo Koffa]

4 hours ago, Staples said:

Why not go full circle back to radical duality? Where everything is unique upon itself, with no similar properties or oneness to it.

Cancels itself out when you try to establish the measure of a Qualium, if you wanna go all radical that is.

Edited October 18 by Keryo Koffa

[Xonas Pitfall]

Hmmm... I'm not too sure!  I feel like with all of these "new" paradigms, they still point to the same thing: the Absolute, Truth, God, etc. Even new levels of consciousness, like Leo's Alien Intelligence, still fall under the same overarching "paradigm", if you could call it like that. They're just so radical that it's important to make a distinction.

What I personally find fascinating is when we start deconstructing how reality is imagined even more. I'd be curious to see if someone ever experiments with twisting their hands, eye colors, environment, or other monk-like abilities like levitation, sorcery, healing powers, or paranormal phenomena. I'd love to see how the mind—or even a collective mind or trip experience—can slowly start impacting reality. Hopefully, this will become more mainstream once science shifts towards spirituality and the "nebulous stuff."

There's probably so much more we could invent, practically and scientifically, if we studied these phenomena. In the words of The Great Tesla: “The day science begins to study non-physical phenomena, it will make more progress in one decade than in all the previous centuries of its existence.”

Here I could see so much potential! 💛😊🔅✨

[Leo Gura]

A Crocodox

A Crocodigm

A Crocogy

A Crocolon

Watch out for those Crocodoxes.

Edited October 19 by Leo Gura

[Majed]

@Leo Gura what about crocodile dynamics and the 9 crocodiles of ego development.

[Rasheed]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

A Crocodox

A Crocodigm

A Crocogy

A Crocolon

Watch out for those Crocodoxes.

Leo, since you are into crocodiles, I am sure, you are going to like Crocodile Gena: 

 

 

[Xonas Pitfall]

1. Crocmind, Crocinus, Crocmindus
2. Crocogic, Croclogic, Crogic
3. Crocergy, Crogen, Crocinergy
4. Crochaos, Crocaos, Crochaotic
   1. Crocharm, Crocmony, Croharmony
   2. Croforce, Crocfource, Crocforce
      1. Crocreal, Crocreality, Crocality
      2. Crocunity, Crocunion, Crocunite
5. Crocorder, Croder, Crocorder
   1. Croctruth, Croctuth, Crotrue
6. Croform, Crocform, Crocfirma
   1. Crofinity, Crocfinite, Crofinity
7. Crocsistence, Croxist, Croexist
   1. Crocessence, Crocence, Crocssense

[Xonas Pitfall]

4 hours ago, Majed said:

@Leo Gura what about crocodile dynamics and the 9 crocodiles of ego development.

Level 1: Crocosurvival ■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■🦎🍖

In the ancient oozy pits of the Cosmic Swamp, the earliest Croctavians knew only one thing - Chomp or be chomped. Driven by their reptilian ruckus instincts, they wallowed in the murky waters, snapping at anything that dared enter their bog. At this stage, the glorious laws of Chompity-Chompdom reigned supreme. Every croc scrabbled to fill their belly, ensuring they remained big, tough, and ready for another tail-whip tussle. No room for hoity-toity thoughts - just bite, slurp, and the endless slosh of the bog.

Level 2: Crocodious Tribalios ■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■🦎👥

Ah, but soon the Croctavians glooped together into tribes - forming the infamous Gator Clans! No longer were they just lone chompers, but now they prowled in packs, side by side, fang to fang! In this level - known as Crocosolidarity - the Croctavians began to hoot and holler about their ancestors, weaving outlandish tales of the Great Tail Swishers of Old. Together they built swampy mud pyramids, not for show, but to honor their fallen chomp-champions. The anthem of this level was loud and proud - "In unity, we bite stronger!"

Level 3: Croconquestius ■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■🦎😈

But ambition soon bubbled up like swamp gas! The Croctavians couldn't be satisfied with their muddy boundaries - oh no - they wanted more bog! Thus entered the age of Croconquest where the fiercest of them all - the mighty Croc Generals - set out to snap up every patch of bogland they could! Power was the fangy name of the game. Armies of crocs clashed in the slime, tails whipping, jaws snapping. The motto of this era was clear - "I bite, therefore I am!"

Level 4: Crocordinated Orderius ■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■🦎⚖️

After many a slobbering scuffle, the Croctavians grew weary of constant rumbling in the muck. Enter the age of Crocordination! The crocs realized they needed more than brute chompiness - they needed order. From the chaos, emerged the Croc-Councils, where crocs took their places, laid down the rules, and started the sacred Chompity Code. Now crocs lived by a new creed - "To bite is to obey the ancient bog-laws!"

Level 5: Crocapitalius ■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■🦎💰

But where there’s order, there’s innovation - and so came the age of Crocapitalius! The crocs of this era no longer bit just out of hunger but out of cunning and ambition. They traded shiny pebbles, fancy tail-rings, and even invented Croc Enterprises. Crocs were now chomping not for survival - but for profit! The new saying around the bog? "I chomp for riches!" Soon, crocs were investing in stocks (or as we call them - Swamp Shares) and gobbling up tailrings like they were going out of style.

Level 6: Crocosynergy ■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■🦎🤝

As the scales turned, the Croctavians saw a bigger picture - the swamp wasn’t just for one croc, but for all crocs (and maybe the occasional frog). Thus began the era of Crocosynergy, where crocs worked in harmony, creating the first ever Swamp Commune. No tail was left ungroomed, no croc left unfed. The shared motto of this era became - "We chomp together, or we don't chomp at all!"

Level 7: Crocosentient ■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■🦎💡

But lo and behold, a few crocs grew even wiser, peeking beyond the reeds into the very essence of the universe. These enlightened crocs, the Crocosentients, spoke not of mere chomping - but of the Cosmic Chomp itself, a bite that binds all things together. Their scaly brains sparked with riddles, their tails shimmered with ancient swamp knowledge. They declared - "The chomp is everywhere - and we are the chomp!"

Level 8: Crococosmic Infinity ■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■🦎🌌

Finally, rumors bubbled through the bog of crocs that transcended even the scales they wore, becoming one with the very Crococosmic Swamp Consciousness! These crocs are said to have ascended to the stars themselves - where their bites become echoes across the cosmos. The grand motto whispered through the slime? "The chomp is eternal, and we are its slithering song."

Edited October 19 by Xonas Pitfall

[UnbornTao]

On 18/10/2024 at 5:00 AM, Staples said:

Why not go full circle back to radical duality? Where everything is unique upon itself, with no similar properties or oneness to it.

It kinda holds up.

Interesting, care to elaborate?

[Staples]

1 hour ago, UnbornTao said:

Interesting, care to elaborate?

No two things are ever the same. You can draw a distinction absolutely anywhere.

A ≠ A

Each A is unique and occurs within a different context and space.

It's more accurate to just say 'A'.

Every particle in the universe is unique unto itself. You might have two hydrogen atoms, which are the same chemical compound or substance, but they will exist at different temperatures and locations.

Every infinitesimally small point in space is unique, and distinct from the others.

No man ever steps in the same river twice, for it's not the same river and he's not the same man.

- Heraclitus

Edited October 19 by Staples

[Staples]

On 18/10/2024 at 7:53 PM, Keryo Koffa said:

Cancels itself out when you try to establish the measure of a Qualium, if you wanna go all radical that is.

How so?

I don't know what you mean by qualium. And I do want to go all radical. It's not truth seeking if we half ass it.

Edited October 19 by Staples

[Keryo Koffa]

1 hour ago, Staples said:

How so?

1 hour ago, Staples said:

• You can draw a distinction absolutely anywhere.
• Every particle in the universe is unique unto itself.
• We could speculate that the sum of all distinctions.
  That which resolves duality is God.

Well, a gazillion questions are coming up that I'm brainstorming.

For starters, what does and doesn't constitute a unit of uniqueness?
Are we talking about building blocks or include holons like sets?
Isolated qualities don't generate experiences without contrast, do they?

How do you distinguish infinite complexity when reality is—like a fractal—infinitely divisible?
Holistically, we experience gestalts—emergent patterns through relationships—in contrasts.
Without connections, duality breaks down into discrete unities, indistinct solipsistic bubbles.

Additionally, where do we draw the line, an axis of numbers for instance is infinitely divisible.
Quilums are like Quantums, distinct expressions, collapse potential into actualized experience.
Do we consider consciousness a transcendent synthesizer or part of radical duality?

Awareness shifts all the time dynamically, is the flow itself a distinction, do distinctions interact?
Experience presumes contrast, intensity, distinctness, and these exist on spectrums of duality.

I agree that everything can be experienced as a unique infinitely divisible quality.
If there are no connections, then how do you explain the shifting experience?
Is change or conscious awareness transcendent or part of it?

Edited October 19 by Keryo Koffa

[zurew]

1 hour ago, Staples said:

No two things are ever the same. You can draw a distinction absolutely anywhere.

A ≠ A

Each A is unique and occurs within a different context and space.

It's more accurate to just say 'A'.

Every particle in the universe is unique unto itself. You might have two hydrogen atoms, which are the same chemical compound or substance, but they will exist at different temperatures and locations.

Every infinitesimally small point in space is unique, and distinct from the others.

No man ever steps in the same river twice, for it's not the same river and he's not the same man.

- Heraclitus

Being able to draw infinitely many conceptual distinctions is different from claming that those differences actually exist.

In other words - do you claim that time and space are metaphysically necessary (things can't exist without having spatial and temporal aspects / attributes inherently to them) or do you just claim  that one can draw infinitely many conceptual distinctions, but those distinctions don't really exist?

Which one is your claim?

[UnbornTao]

On 10/19/2024 at 2:34 PM, Staples said:

No two things are ever the same. You can draw a distinction absolutely anywhere.

A ≠ A

Each A is unique and occurs within a different context and space.

It's more accurate to just say 'A'.

Every particle in the universe is unique unto itself. You might have two hydrogen atoms, which are the same chemical compound or substance, but they will exist at different temperatures and locations.

Every infinitesimally small point in space is unique, and distinct from the others.

No man ever steps in the same river twice, for it's not the same river and he's not the same man.

- Heraclitus

Thank you.

What about the fact that things are distinct from one another? Is that "activity" (distinction) the same? 

A bit like: the opposite of distinction, which could be sameness, is also a distinction.

As a side note, I initially considered distinction to be conceptual but am having doubts about it--might not be.

Edited October 21 by UnbornTao

[Staples]

We got quite the discussion going! Love this.

10 hours ago, Keryo Koffa said:

Quilums are like Quantums, distinct expressions, collapse potential into actualized experience.
Do we consider consciousness a transcendent synthesizer or part of radical duality?

My little theory would suggest reality is made of infinitely small points of Quilums that exist across infinite dimensions. Like TV static, these Quilums tune into gestalt patterns of emergence which create form.

Concsciousness and physical reality exist in the same quilum space. 

All quilums are both connected and distinct. Connected in that their collective states can influence each other and create gestalt form, distinct because no two quilums are the same.

10 hours ago, zurew said:

Being able to draw infinitely many conceptual distinctions is different from claiming that those differences actually exist.

I actually do claim this. If you can draw distinctions, then there is a way to define each side of the distinction. Therefore there exists a point of difference you can identify.

I don't claim space and time are necessary. That's a materialist mistake. That's just one possible dimension of expression.

9 hours ago, UnbornTao said:

What about the fact that things are distinct from one another? Is that "activity" (distinction) the same? 

Every distinction is distinct too 😁

9 hours ago, UnbornTao said:

As a side note, I initially considered distinction to be conceptual but am having doubts about it. It might not be.

It depends how you frame it. If you sum all distinctions together you get oneness.

Whatever you draw a distinction around is a 'thing'. And that drawing is conceptual. 

Within that drawing are infinitely more smaller distinctions. Which we summarize in order to create the higher conceptual 'thing'.

Edited October 20 by Staples

[Keryo Koffa]

@Staples Reminds me of set theory but with atomized qualities.
Space and Time would be the synergy context of this morphing gestalt.

[Ero]

Xaos =Chaos = Croc

Eros = Entropy = Love

Gaia = Truth = Order

[Rafael Thundercat]

On 19/10/2024 at 4:17 AM, Leo Gura said:

A Crocodox

A Crocodigm

A Crocogy

A Crocolon

Watch out for those Crocodoxes.

I wish I could add the AI images I am creating with the concepts of Crocodiles and other Raptors. But the Paradox is that there is a limit of image size I can upload so I cant. What is the exact image size and format to add easy in the forum?

[Xonas Pitfall]

@Rafael Thundercat You could just use an online compression tool, such as https://imagecompressor.com/. That should do the trick. Unless you really want high quality, in which case, it’s best to upload it to an external image hosting source and paste the link here. Good luck!

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