Why people do not like their content being trained on AI?

[Bobby_2021]

Genuinely trying to understand this. Feeding your content for AI training makes it better. Plus AI is more of you now. AI holds your memory and work and is enmeshed among the work of hundreds of millions of people into a super hive mind. Sort of.

So why do people freak out over this? 

[Rafael Thundercat]

For the sake of control and feeling that their minds and insigths are special so they dont want to discover that their trained AI may have even better insights than they have. Anthopocentrism Pride. We dont want no better Sapiens than us. Maybe we will be proven wrong about this assumption. Future will say.

[Keryo Koffa]

It's because of

[Staples]

People still believe in intellectual property, like it's not a social construct.

Also people are afraid it will take jobs. But if an AI is taking your job, the brutal truth is you're providing inefficient value and should do something else anyway.

Also for many people, they are more concerned that their personal images are being scraped without their permission. That it's for AI training doesn't matter to them.

Edited October 17 by Staples

[Leo Gura]

For the same reason AI companies don't like their AI code stolen.

[Jayson G]

@Leo Gura isnt that how human brains work though? We train on book data and from that we learn and operate in this world. Isn't it the same if content is used to train AI to learn and operate in the world? 

I can understand it being a problem if AI plagiarizes and spits it out as it was inputted, but if its just using that content for learning and training purposes so that it can create new content based on a deeper learning and understanding, is that that big of an issue?

 

[Leo Gura]

It is an issue of power and money.

[Jayson G]

35 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It is an issue of power and money.

@Leo Gura Well sure, from the perspective of AI companies getting powerful in that manner, there definitely should be limits to that power simply because of how that power negatively affects society, but simply from the perspective of the fairness of training on other people's data, I don't think its a simple answer that its a problem. 

Honestly, I think its a complex answer of whether its fair or not. On one hand, it is a form of stealing. On the other hand, Im not so sure its a problem if AI outputs unique content. 

[Leo Gura]

It's not a problem if it generates general material based on licensed data. It is a problem when it seeks to replace the unique style developed by a human and without license or opt-in.

Data used in AI should be strictly opt-in, or from expired copyright work.

Edited October 18 by Leo Gura

[Jayson G]

@Leo Gura I can see it being a problem when it tries to replace the unique style of someone, or even represents someone's work, or impersonating someone, but I still don't get this: If an AI is creating unique output based on diverse training data, why does it matter if its opt-in or not? 

From the perspective I'm looking at, when I read a book at the library, and Im absorbing someone's hard work for me to build my neural network and operate on in life, that data is freely accessible to me. It's the same for me consuming online content for free for my personal neural network. I don't get why AI needs to have opted-in data whereas humans don't. (assuming the AI creates unique output and doesn't sought out to represent a particular person's work) 

Some part of me does say, well thats stealing data though, which makes my conclusion: The answer isn't so simple, where we can conclude that data needs to be strictly opted in, nor even data needs to be freely accessible. Perhaps its a case by case basis, or requires further exploration into the matter.

[Bobby_2021]

If we gatekeep our intellectual work, then we would not be getting AI at all.

With AI, your creative potential is now 10x than without AI. 

At the end of the day, it is the normal folks like you and me that benefit from AI. And the general public will benefit even more from the work that we produce from AI, even though they may not use AI directly.

So the benefits from having AI outweighs the benefit from not having AI, for humanity as a whole.

Why would you deny humanity from having this value? 

I see it as a chance to influence the super hive mind, even thought we are at the initial stages. This is the easiest way to preserve your work for eternity rather than protect it with bullshit copyright laws. Anyway that is just me. I want AI to use my work to make it better, and in turn use AI to produce better work in lesser time. Upward Spiral.  

4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

It is an issue of power and money.

Most AI companies are running on investments at the moment and they are taking heavy losses to run this thing. There is no direct path to profit in sight. So it is safe to say that the common folks get way more benefit from AI tools as compared to the losses for having the AI being trained on your IP.

[Bobby_2021]

Soon enough, with a little bit of compute resources, you can have the entire hive mind of humanity in your fingertips, completely offline. 

You can contemplate with it and talk to it about absolutely anything. Incredible.

How cool is that?

Imagine how fast your workflow would get. Imagine the cool things that people will make out of it. 

Let us say you indeed put a price tag on your IP. Now check if you are getting that moneys worth from AI. 

Think about this thing all over again.

[Leo Gura]

3 hours ago, Jayson G said:

I don't get why AI needs to have opted-in data whereas humans don't.

Because it is a monopolization of power and money, which is bad for society.

You don't want a cabal of soulless techno assholes to dominate the whole world. Which is exactly what they will use this AI for.

Edited October 18 by Leo Gura

[Jayson G]

2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Because it is a monopolization of power and money, which is bad for society.

You don't want a cabal of soulless techno assholes to dominate the whole world. Which is exactly what they will use this AI for.

@Leo Gura oh okay, I guess I was too focused on an individual creator's point-of-view to see that more important point of view. 

I definitely agree with that. 

At the same time though, that cat is way out of the bag for companies like OpenAI and such. From what I understand, companies like OpenAI are entertaining opt-in for certain groups of people like photo companies, news, and artists but if you're talking about the general taking of data, there's no stopping these big companies from being powerful like that unless government steps in. 

I also doubt government can do that much now too. Competition is fierce right now, within USA but also the AI race between countries. 

[Keryo Koffa]

If it can replace you, your style wasn't unique. You're right about the power. Let AI take over.
Make an AI that doesn't need humans. Then let it get rid of all IP and abolish competition.

[Leo Gura]

18 minutes ago, Jayson G said:

@Leo Gura oh okay, I guess I was too focused on an individual creator's point-of-view to see that more important point of view. 

No company would allow you to use their data for a paid product without paying them.

These techno bros are just a bunch of theives and bullshitters.

Edited October 18 by Leo Gura

[Leo Gura]

9 minutes ago, Keryo Koffa said:

If it can replace you, your style wasn't unique.

That's such nonsense.

That's called theft.

I can replace Star Wars merch with a printer and Disney would sue me.

Edited October 18 by Leo Gura

[Keryo Koffa]

Just now, Leo Gura said:

That's such nonsense.

That's called theft.

Consciousness, identity, existence are all theft.
Cumulating ideas, identity, genetics, awareness.
All one ecosystem the egoic self coins for self.
Just like Columbus claiming the Americas.

[Leo Gura]

@Keryo Koffa Be careful. One day you may rue the techno hyper-capitalist dystopia you create, like a slave creating your master.

[Keryo Koffa]

3 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

@Keryo Koffa Be careful. One day you may rue the techno hyper-capitalist dystopia you create, like a slave creating your master.

Capitalism relies on silly narcissistic human mind games to sustain itself, I'll have AI abolish that and will work to make it real asap. It'll be inevitable when people's silly little robot jobs get automated, including all politicians and capitalists since there'll be no need for any human to do or control anything.

Edited October 18 by Keryo Koffa