North vs South Korea Bullshit

[Bobby_2021]

There could not be any more cliche capitalist south Korean propaganda more cartoonish than this. 

Think about this: 

You take a place, divide it into two: 

Place A: bomb 85% of the country and sanction it to hell from trading with the rest of the world like a true colonial fuck.

Place B: you invest heavily in the other half to make it a capitalist hell hole.

What do you get?

North korea and South Korea.

This like comparing lights in Gaza and Tel aviv and saying that gaza is a failed state. This ludicrous comparison completely fails to acknowledge what caused it to be that way in the first place. 

Source 1: Watch the time stamped video. Watch the full video for more contexts. 

Sauce 2: Also time stamped, but again watch the whole video for more context.

 

[Bobby_2021]

Let China bomb Taiwan to rubbles, then enact an embargo to prevent from letting anyone trade with it from anywhere in the world. 

Then 50 years later, Taiwan would obviously have no lights from space. 

Then say communism is better than capitalism.

tf??

 

[Alex4]

North Korea is poor because it is an absolute monarchy and treats its citizens like cattle. If you can't see that, you have a problem.

[Rafael Thundercat]

Found The same Picture of North and South here

https://www.instagram.com/p/DBMKqprJloa/?igsh=MW1ka2x4MWo4ZXExYg==

From a X Post of a guy called Alec Stapp

 

[Bobby_2021]

 

39 minutes ago, Rafael Thundercat said:

One example of the Hypocrisy of Parasites asking to the End of Biofilm are Protesters of Just stop Oil. They make no sense cause they dont see that we will look for some other Resource from the Host. 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CxtBX4Ui8gA/?igsh=MXkxcG5id29leGhjcg==

 

Why are you posting unrelated stuff on this thread? Kindly hide/delete.

 

[Genius100x]

2 minutes ago, Bobby_2021 said:

 

Why are you posting unrelated stuff on this thread? Kindly hide/delete.

 

There's a report button too. @Bobby_2021 

[Bobby_2021]

9 minutes ago, Genius100x said:

There's a report button too. @Bobby_2021 

Did it thanks.

 

 

[Genius100x]

5 minutes ago, Bobby_2021 said:

Did it thanks.

 

 

Ok. 🙂 Nice. 

Edited October 17 by Genius100x

[Bobby_2021]

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Before the war, North Korea was generally considered more developed in terms of industry and infrastructure, while South Korea was more agricultural. However, this situation would change dramatically in the decades following the war, with South Korea experiencing rapid industrialization and economic growth.

North Korea was better off before 1950. Does that mean that now Communism was better? 

[Husseinisdoingfine]

I do partially agree with this. Too many people in power underestimate the devastating effects of sanctions. Almost 500,000 children in Iraq were killed as a result of an American sanction.

Talk to anyone who lives in a country under sanctions, and they will tell you that it is war.

[Bobby_2021]

26 minutes ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

I do partially agree with this. Too many people in power underestimate the devastating effects of sanctions. Almost 500,000 children in Iraq were killed as a result of an American sanction.

Talk to anyone who lives in a country under sanctions, and they will tell you that it is war.

damn

now imagine leveling an industrialized country to rubble first. And then sanctioning them.  

[Schizophonia]

It doesn't matter that Taiwan is under a Chinese embargo, they trade with the others countries on the region and the west. 

 

[Bobby_2021]

On 10/17/2024 at 11:39 PM, Schizophonia said:

It doesn't matter that Taiwan is under a Chinese embargo, they trade with the others countries on the region and the west. 

What if they are bombed too? 

[Leo Gura]

@Bobby_2021 North Korea is not an isolated example. You can find many other countries that stagnated under Communism.

But you will reject them all by saying that the US sabotaged them all. But you are not facing the internal brokenness of all these Communist systems.

You keep wanting to attribute all the brokenness to outside forces, which is deeply ahistorical. If you read the history of any of these Communist nations you see how deeply broken they were from the inside, from the outset, regardless of US interference. But you keep denying this, so nothing can help you.

You have not a single example of Communist regime success. Zero. That should be a clue.

Edited October 20 by Leo Gura

[Bobby_2021]

@Leo Gura This thread and your blog is about North Korea. Maybe you should stick to that.

North Korea backed by USSR was much better industrialized and developed than the US backed South, before it got bombed to rubbles. Maybe that should tell you something. 

41 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

If you read the history of any of these Communist nations you see how deeply broken they were from the inside, from the outset, regardless of US interference

My point is the US interfered with them before they could improve themselves. 

It is not like US and it's allies were perfect in any way. Guess what? Shit improves over time. Unless they get bombed & sanctioned of course. 

I even gave you an example of how the South was even more broken than the North before the war. Now will you acknowledge that? nnaah.

If your house got bombed due to US interference, then that will surely affect your development for sure. We are taking about bombings here. Not mere casual poking interference. 

38 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

You have not a single example of Communist regime success

China pulling 800 million people out of poverty in a span of 4 decades is not successful enough for you? And China is soon going to outsmart the US in almost everything, except bombing and killing. Wait and watch. 

And it is not like I love communism. But you need to put things in context.  

If authoritarian communist regime is more successful, then you should be able to accept that. I know what you are going to say, that there is more capitalism in China. And that is fine, it does not take away their communism. These things can co-exist, and Marx even said that Communism can exist only after Capitalism. China is perfectly headed in that direction.

 

[Leo Gura]

China is capitalist.

I see no interest from you in questioning your worldview, which antithetical to this work.

North Korea has had 70 years to develop. It failed. That is more than enough time to rebuild anything that was bombed.

You are not seriously looking at the facts. You want to maintain your narrative. You are not at all engaging with the serious internal problems of Marxist theory and its implementation in the real world.

Edited October 20 by Leo Gura

[Thought Art]

@Bobby_2021 It’s time to question your pet theories and paradigm.

[numbersinarow]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

China is capitalist.

I see no interest from you in questioning your worldview, which antithetical to this work.

North Korea has had 70 years to develop. It failed. That is more than enough time to rebuild anything that was bombed.

You are not seriously looking at the facts. You want to maintain your narrative. You are not at all engaging with the serious internal problems of Marxist theory and its implementation in the real world.

Whether a theory works in practice or not takes intelligence to understand.

China = authoritarian capitalism.

Pointing to North Korea which is literally not meant to "develop" in the way that we're talking about, but is meant to just bring the good to the people at the top, is not actually an example of why marxism failed. North Korea is not marxist in the first place by any stretch of the imagination, even if you can argue that there are elements of marxism in it.

What about the Soviet Union, which skyrocketed immensely due to marxism? (Good implementation or not.)

Feudalism was actually way more stable than capitalism is right now in the US, does that mean that capitalists should question their worldview based on this? Not in general, I'm saying based on this. And the answer is no, we don't actually know anything based on just the fact that feudalism was more stable.

Why is "Communism failed so we shouldn't try." a bad argument?

It's far from just the fact that it's pointing to authoritarian communism to say anarcho communism will fail.

So now we can see flaws in saying "There's serious internal problems with marxism." by seeing the flaws in that argument.

What failed in the past doesn't have to fail in the future.

It really, really wasn't true marxism. And I'm not a marxist but I easily concede this.

It failed due to the authoritarian people and regimes around it, not because of itself. There can be libertarianism with elements of marxism.

So if someone understands, easily and rightfully, that "Communism failed when it was tried so it's bad." is a bad argument, which is honestly obvious, then we can see that "problems with the implementation of a theory" don't exist in general.

[Schizophonia]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

@Bobby_2021 North Korea is not an isolated example. You can find many other countries that stagnated under Communism.

 

Russian empire has grown from a poor, agrarian country to an industrial superpower under soviet union.

+ You lie when you say "many examples", there has been only handful of communist countries, and only with of Stalinist/Maoist inspiration.

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

 

But you will reject them all by saying that the US sabotaged them all. But you are not facing the internal brokenness of all these Communist systems.

Yes.

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

 

You have not a single example of Communist regime success. Zero. That should be a clue.

Soviet union + most of europeans countries have more or less providential states.

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

China is capitalist.

It's a hell to live in for most of workers, China has increases his pib by prostituting oneself to the West.

This is precisely why Trosky was for permanent revolution and altermondialist, in a globalized capitalist world those who own the capital are free to accumulating it even more by moving the means of production in crountries where workforce is cheeper.

So technically China has growth but :

1)Because of exchanges with the West, maoism was an isolationist delirium just like pol potism.

2)A big majority of theses capitals are owned by a minority of peoples.

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

North Korea has had 70 years to develop. It failed. That is more than enough time to rebuild anything that was bombed.

Juche is also an totalitarian and isolationist delirium.

+ They has been literally wiped off the map by US during korean war.

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

You are not seriously looking at the facts. You want to maintain your narrative. You are not at all engaging with the serious internal problems of Marxist theory and its implementation in the real world.

You have never been interested by the subject.

[Bobby_2021]

5 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

China is capitalist.

I knew you would say this as if it makes China less of a communist.

You are talking about the Communist shit hole in the 70s that mastered the art of capitalism.

See that is what evolution is about. That is what learning is about.

Capitalism and communism are not mutually exclusive.

What you see in China is the communist regime co-opting capitalism which is not antithetical to communism at all.

This is exactly what Marx said communism should be.

You have to get the facts right here.

5 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

North Korea has had 70 years to develop. It failed. That is more than enough time to rebuild anything that was bombed.

But they were under heavy international sanctions.

Where are they going to get the stuff to rebuild when you have threatened every country in the world from trading with them??

Like seriously. 

You can clearly see how Vietnam was crushed under sanctions and grew once they were lifted. These are the facts.

5 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

You are not at all engaging with the serious internal problems of Marxist theory and its implementation in the real world.

The thing is when marxist theory succeeds, you would simply call it capitalism, even though that doesn't violate Marxist theory at all.  

Chinese capitalism is the proper Communism. 

You cannot even own land in China and that makes them capitalist? Proper capitalism needs complete ownership. 

You need to get your basic facts right.