Posted October 16 9 minutes ago, zurew said: No its not, it fails - your idea is naive and you lack the imagination how many different ways they can still maintain their beliefs. Do you think the idea of "I believe in the christian God" is incompatible with Trump doing bad things ? 1) They can just say that it was God's plan to use Trump to test how strong they believe in him and this is the real test of their loyalty to God. 2) They can outright reject the idea that Trump did bad things and they can just think that those are actually good things for the country in the end. 3) They can think that Trump was forced by external factors to do those bad things (like by the deepstate or devil or something) 4) They can just use the idea that God gave us free-will and he respects our free will and its on us when we do bad things and its on us to correct sin. These are just 4 ways off the top of my head how to completely dodge the outcome you thought necessarily follows from the premses you laid out. And there are obviously many more other ways (than just four I mentioned) for them to maintain their narrative about God. Trump is a prophet, someone who has been sent by God. A prophet does not do unrighteous things, so my logic does not fall apart. You also say that Christians would not question Trump if he did something wrong. If Trump were to mock Jesus, his supporters and Christians would speak out. They are not so brainwashed that they would accept that, but they are so brainwashed that I lose thousands of brain cells just thinking about it. The end of separation is the end of desire. It’s life, it’s death, it’s unity; it is the absolute. In this profound realization, we find perfection eternal, a state of everlasting harmony. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 16 2 hours ago, Spiritual Warfare said: Vote for Trump, because if Trump wins the election, which he likely will, people in the U.S. might believe it’s part of God’s plan. However, everyone knows Trump is not truly Christian, and he will end up sabotaging the country. This will make those Christians doubt their faith and question if God really exists, especially since many believe Trump is some sort of prophet or chosen by God. If Kamala wins, people in the U.S. will think it’s from Satan, because according to the Bible, a woman is not supposed to lead. This would only strengthen their belief in the Bible, since they are misguided. So, let Trump win. Think long-term and don’t see this as a bad thing. Reducing the influence of religious people is necessary so we can have a world focused on positive progress, where true spirituality is more visible, appreciated, and recognized as a truth of existence. This is a very warped logic LOL. Make Christians lose their faith by voting in Trump. Let's look at the goal to making the US a better place not dispelling Christianity. Wisdom. Truth. Love. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 16 2 hours ago, Spiritual Warfare said: Vote for Trump, because if Trump wins the election, which he likely will, people in the U.S. might believe it’s part of God’s plan. However, everyone knows Trump is not truly Christian, and he will end up sabotaging the country. This will make those Christians doubt their faith and question if God really exists, especially since many believe Trump is some sort of prophet or chosen by God. If Kamala wins, people in the U.S. will think it’s from Satan, because according to the Bible, a woman is not supposed to lead. This would only strengthen their belief in the Bible, since they are misguided. So, let Trump win. Think long-term and don’t see this as a bad thing. Reducing the influence of religious people is necessary so we can have a world focused on positive progress, where true spirituality is more visible, appreciated, and recognized as a truth of existence. This is a very warped logic LOL. Make Christians lose their faith by voting in Trump. Let's look at the goal to making the US a better place not dispelling Christianity. Wisdom. Truth. Love. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 16 1 minute ago, Inliytened1 said: This is a very warped logic LOL. Make Christians lose their faith by voting in Trump. Let's look at the goal to making the US a better place not dispelling Christianity. To improve the US as a whole, we cannot have people who believe in fairy tales😂 The end of separation is the end of desire. It’s life, it’s death, it’s unity; it is the absolute. In this profound realization, we find perfection eternal, a state of everlasting harmony. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 16 (edited) Plot twist: Kamala wins, and the moment she steps into office, the house of cards starts to fall. The inflated economic bubble bursts on her watch, the Ukraine war winds down without the West getting its “victory,” and Israels itching for a war with Iran that would light the whole region on fire. Not to mention ethnic cleansing of their closest ally. Who has to take the blame for this, or mismanaging it? This enrages the far right further. They fester in their resentment, feeding on the narrative that they were robbed, that this chaos is divine retribution. They come back even harder in the next cycle - angrier, more extreme, more organized. Maybe Kamala is the catalyst for an even darker wave of reactionary fury. Edited October 16 by zazen Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 16 5 minutes ago, zazen said: Plot twist: Kamala wins, and the moment she steps into office, the house of cards starts to fall. The inflated economic bubble bursts on her watch, the Ukraine war winds down without the West getting its “victory,” and Israels itching for a war with Iran that would light the whole region on fire. Not to mention ethnic cleansing of their closest ally. Who has to take the blame for this, or mismanaging it? This enrages the far right further. They fester in their resentment, feeding on the narrative that they were robbed, that this chaos is divine retribution. They come back even harder in the next cycle - angrier, more extreme, more organized. Maybe Kamala is the catalyst for an even darker wave of reactionary fury. If someone is over 70 and has dyed their hair blonde, then that is truly something evil in its purest form. You can be at ease with Kamala, but girls can be scary. The end of separation is the end of desire. It’s life, it’s death, it’s unity; it is the absolute. In this profound realization, we find perfection eternal, a state of everlasting harmony. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 16 19 minutes ago, Spiritual Warfare said: To improve the US as a whole, we cannot have people who believe in fairy tales😂 What you've missed is that it will only strengthen their beliefs in fairy tales. They will believe that it was God's purpose no matter what happens. Even if Trump started WW3 and killed millions the Christians will think it was God and that the greater good is yet to be seen. You have no idea how sneaky religion is. Wisdom. Truth. Love. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 16 Just now, Inliytened1 said: What you've missed is that it will only strengthen their beliefs in fairy tales. They will believe that it was God's purpose no matter what happens. Even if Trump started WW3 and killed millions the Christians will think it was God and that the greater good is yet to be seen. You have no idea how sneaky religion is. But I have learned that prophets cannot do unrighteous things, am I wrong? It was a long time ago, that old dusty book. The end of separation is the end of desire. It’s life, it’s death, it’s unity; it is the absolute. In this profound realization, we find perfection eternal, a state of everlasting harmony. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 16 9 minutes ago, zazen said: Plot twist: Kamala wins, and the moment she steps into office, the house of cards starts to fall. The inflated economic bubble bursts on her watch, the Ukraine war winds down without the West getting its “victory,” and Israels itching for a war with Iran that would light the whole region on fire. Not to mention ethnic cleansing of their closest ally. Who has to take the blame for this, or mismanaging it? This enrages the far right further. They fester in their resentment, feeding on the narrative that they were robbed, that this chaos is divine retribution. They come back even harder in the next cycle - angrier, more extreme, more organized. Maybe Kamala is the catalyst for an even darker wave of reactionary fury. Such a bleak plot twist Wisdom. Truth. Love. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 16 1 minute ago, Spiritual Warfare said: But I have learned that prophets cannot do unrighteous things, am I wrong? It was a long time ago, that old dusty book. That's exactly what I'm saying. Wisdom. Truth. Love. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 16 Just now, Inliytened1 said: That's exactly what I'm saying. Ohhhh, but do you think that if Trump were to start killing people, Christians would see it as justified, even though their book says not to kill? It seems like they would start calling Trump the Antichrist instead of a prophet. An Antichrist is someone who might act good for a while but then begins to fight against the country in immoral ways. The end of separation is the end of desire. It’s life, it’s death, it’s unity; it is the absolute. In this profound realization, we find perfection eternal, a state of everlasting harmony. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 16 (edited) 1 hour ago, Spiritual Warfare said: Trump is a prophet, someone who has been sent by God. You have a lot of assumptions and even if we grant all your assumptions your argument still doesn't work. The idea that most Trump supporters consider trump a prophet is an assumption , if you want to claim that the majority thinks this way, then do you have any empirical evidence to support that claim? 1 hour ago, Spiritual Warfare said: A prophet does not do unrighteous things, so my logic does not fall apart. Even going with the assumption that they think Trump is prophet and further going with the assumption that Trump would do an action that would be considered horrendous by Christians - even going with that, that can still be explained in a way where they can maintain their faith. 1) They can just end up concluding that they were wrong about Trump being a prophet and he was just another puppet by the deepstate and he was used to deceive MAGA. 2) They can just end up concluding that Trump was a false prophet. 3) Trump was forced by evil forces to do that bad thing or to say bad things about Jesus. Christianity is compatible with Trump not being a prophet and also with Trump being a prophet and with Trump being a false prophet and with Trump being a retarded prophet who end up cussing/cursing Jesus. All of those scenarios are compatible with being christian. There are an endless amount of narratives and justifications that could be generated to infinitely uphold the christian faith. Your argument just doesn't work even if I grant all the assumptions that you can't justify. Edited October 16 by zurew Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 16 1 minute ago, Spiritual Warfare said: Ohhhh, but do you think that if Trump were to start killing people, Christians would see it as justified, even though their book says not to kill? It seems like they would start calling Trump the Antichrist instead of a prophet. An Antichrist is someone who might act good for a while but then begins to fight against the country in immoral ways. If they see someone as their prophet- then nothing is going to dissuade their view. They will make up things to justify this in their own minds. Did Hitler's Germany turn on him when he committed mass genocide? No.. they were so under the spell that they justified it as the greater good. It was only at the very bitter end when their own survival was threatened that they could possibly look another way. Wisdom. Truth. Love. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 16 The thing about accelerationism is that it has a tendency to blow up in your face. Sure, nazism blew up in the face of German nationalists, but 70 million people died as a result. Don't forget that there's a ticking clock for addressing existential threats like climate change. 4 years of a Trump dictatorship could set back an entire generation of progress on this issue, if the United States completely abdicates its responsibilities for addressing climate change. I'm writing a philosophy book! Check it out at : https://7provtruths.org/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 16 5 minutes ago, zurew said: You have a lot of assumptions and even if we grant all your assumptions your argument still doesn't work. The idea that most Trump supporters consider trump a prophet is an assumption , if you want to claim that the majority thinks this way, then do you have any empirical evidence of that? Even going with the assumption that they think Trump is prophet and further going with the assumption that Trump would do an action that would be considered horrendous by Christians - even going with that, that can still be explained in a way where they can maintain their faith. 1) They can just end up concluding that they were wrong about Trump being a prophet and he was just another puppet by the deepstate and he was used to deceive MAGA 2) They can just end up concluding that Trump was a false prophet 3) Trump was forced by evil forces to do that bad thing or to say bad things about Jesus Christianity is compatible with Trump not being a prophet and also with Trump being a prophet and with Trump being a false prophet and with Trump being a retarded prophet who end up cussing/cursing Jesus. All of those scenarios are compatible with being christian. There are an endless amount of narratives and justifications that could be generated to infinitely uphold the christian faith. Your argument just doesn't work even if I grant all the assumptions that you can't justify. Read my comments that I have written to others in this thread. I said that many Christians believe Trump is mentioned in the Bible, specifically in the Book of Revelation. But you are overlooking the Antichrist in this picture. If Trump were to do these terrible things, they wouldn’t have believed he was a prophet in the first place but rather the Antichrist. My logic still holds. I know you want so badly to push me down, but I will rise up. The end of separation is the end of desire. It’s life, it’s death, it’s unity; it is the absolute. In this profound realization, we find perfection eternal, a state of everlasting harmony. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 16 3 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said: If they see someone as their prophet- then nothing is going to dissuade their view. They will make up things to justify this in their own minds. Did Hitler's Germany turn on him when he committed mass genocide? No.. they were so under the spell that they justified it as the greater good. It was only at the very bitter end when their own survival was threatened that they could possibly look another way. Very true, but Christians are very much in love with Jesus, and their love for Trump is not even close. Regarding Hitler, you are right that the brainwashing was very strong, but they had no one else to look up to; they probably believed Hitler was a god. However, Christians do not see Trump as God but just as a man. So I think the situation might be a bit different than what happened in Nazi Germany. The end of separation is the end of desire. It’s life, it’s death, it’s unity; it is the absolute. In this profound realization, we find perfection eternal, a state of everlasting harmony. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 16 4 minutes ago, DocWatts said: The thing about accelerationism is that it has a tendency to blow up in your face. Sure, nazism blew up in the face of German nationalists, but 70 million people died as a result. Don't forget that there's a ticking clock for addressing existential threats like climate change. 4 years of a Trump dictatorship could set back an entire generation of progress on this issue, if the United States completely abdicates its responsibilities for addressing climate change. Good luck with that when the majority of Americans do not believe in climate change. It is not easy to live in the U.S.; I do not understand why anyone would want to move there of their own free will. The end of separation is the end of desire. It’s life, it’s death, it’s unity; it is the absolute. In this profound realization, we find perfection eternal, a state of everlasting harmony. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 16 (edited) While you're at it, punch yourself in the face. It will hurt Satan. Edited October 16 by Leo Gura You are God. You are Truth. You are Love. You are Infinity. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 16 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Spiritual Warfare said: My logic still holds. I know you want so badly to push me down, but I will rise up. You are dodging and not really responding to any of my earlier points ( you dodging those, speaks volumes about you not really having a response to any of them and you not being able to concede that you have a bad argument that falls apart). Trump being Antichrist is compatible with being a Christian. But again for the last time, they don't need to categorize him as being Antichrist , him doing bad actions can be explained away multiple ways (1) deny that those things happened, 2) deny that those were committed by Trump 3) Even if Trump did it , he was forced to do those things by bad and evil actors) You had 0 response to my eariler points and you are desperately upholding this very naive and frankly bad argument, where you end up making conditional claims like Trump needs to kill people or that Trump needs to say bad things about Jesus (after winning the election in order to flip christian beliefs) none of which is grounded in reality in any way and none which would change chrisitans beliefs because all of that is compatible with being a Christian. Edited October 16 by zurew Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 16 1 minute ago, Leo Gura said: While you're at it, punch yourself in the face. It will turn Satan. 👺👹 The end of separation is the end of desire. It’s life, it’s death, it’s unity; it is the absolute. In this profound realization, we find perfection eternal, a state of everlasting harmony. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
