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Brains Do Not Create Consciousness

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If your conscious experience is caused by your brain, this implies that your perception of your body, including the head you believe contains the brain, as well as the external world and everything you interact with, must also be caused by your brain. This leads to a troubling epistemic position: the brain state responsible for your conscious experience isn’t located within the head you perceive, because that perception itself is already generated by the brain. In essence, you become a homunculus, an onboard self/world model within a brain, experiencing a simulated reality rather than directly accessing an external one.

From this viewpoint, you have no access to anything beyond the model generated by your brain. Since you only experience this phenomenal world, you can’t directly perceive the brain that supposedly generates your experience. Therefore, you can’t justify the existence of this brain or know anything about it, because all you have access to is the model. Essentially, if your brain produces your conscious experience, it can’t be located within the head you perceive. Instead, your perceptions, including those of your own head, are located within the brain. As a result, you cannot have direct knowledge of the brain that causes your experience, raising doubts about whether you can even be certain of its existence.


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Yes.

Everything is an illusory, relative, linear story in (god infinite) consciousness. 


Nothing will prevent Wily.

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Just now, Schizophonia said:

Yes.

Everything is an illusory, relative, linear story in (god infinite) consciousness. 

Checkmate materialists😏


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4 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

If you want could you summarize it really short and simple? Because I didn’t really get it. I think about these things too sometimes it’s interesting. On second read I kinda got it I think

If our conscious experience comes from our brain, then our perception of our body and the world around us also originates from it. This creates a confusing situation: the brain responsible for our experience isn’t located in the head we perceive, since that perception is generated by the brain as well.

This means we’re like a little self inside the brain, experiencing a simulated reality. We can’t access anything beyond what our brain creates, and since we can’t directly see the brain, we can’t really prove it exists. This leads to doubts about whether the brain truly exists, as all we have is our perception of reality


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Just now, Spiritual Warfare said:

If our conscious experience comes from our brain, then our perception of our body and the world around us also originates from it. This creates a confusing situation: the brain responsible for our experience isn’t located in the head we perceive, since that perception is generated by the brain as well.

This means we’re like a little self inside the brain, experiencing a simulated reality. We can’t access anything beyond what our brain creates, and since we can’t directly see the brain, we can’t really prove it exists. This leads to doubts about whether the brain truly exists, as all we have is our perception of reality

Ok I see

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Just now, Sugarcoat said:

Ok I see

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Its basically this happening in a void. The environment is being held by the waveclusters in the void but nothing truely exists. Or there is one true environment where the mega brainwave exists.

 

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1 minute ago, Sugarcoat said:

This is indeed a fascinating topic

Thank you! It’s very tricky, but we have to try to solve it! 🥳


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Just now, Hojo said:

Its basically this happening in a void.

 

Yes, the void is the source of existence.


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You cannot create what you are not. If matter creates conciousness than it would imply that matter is conciousness aswell. And that would mean conciousness is creating conciousness in the end. 

Edited by Salvijus

I simply am. You simply are. We are The Same One forever. Come and join The Glory. 

Those you do not forgive you fear. 

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3 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

You cannot create what you are not. If matter creates conciousness than it would imply that matter is conciousness aswell. And that would mean conciousness is creating conciousness in the end. 

Nothing is created or destroyed only transformed 


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1 minute ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

Nothing is created or destroyed only transformed 

How do you know? Because, you experience it?

Edited by James123

"It is impossible for a man to learn what he thinks he already knows."

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2 minutes ago, James123 said:

How do you know? Because, you experience it?

I know because my logic tells me so. You can’t create something out of nothing; there must always be a source that exists eternally.


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14 minutes ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

Nothing is created or destroyed only transformed 

Matter is becoming concious by transforming itself?


I simply am. You simply are. We are The Same One forever. Come and join The Glory. 

Those you do not forgive you fear. 

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10 minutes ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

I know because my logic tells me so. You can’t create something out of nothing; there must always be a source that exists eternally.

Where is your logic? Find yourself in the so called body, I will give you a thousand dollars. 


"It is impossible for a man to learn what he thinks he already knows."

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7 minutes ago, James123 said:

I will give you a thousand dollars. 

Careful. I can easily find the personal identity or so called ego inside the body-mind thing. 

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I simply am. You simply are. We are The Same One forever. Come and join The Glory. 

Those you do not forgive you fear. 

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8 minutes ago, James123 said:

Where is your logic? Find yourself in the so called body, I will give you a thousand dollars. 

The body is not an illusion, everything exists. Give me the money now.


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I believe in the religion of Love
Whatever direction its caravans may take,
For love is my religion and my faith.

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3 minutes ago, Ayham said:

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Thank you very much for the suggestion. 


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