You are blessed to have a self

[Sugarcoat]

7 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

A big portion of them are deluded af. 

Some had glimpses of samadhi and absorbtion into nothingness where there is no sense of separation. But nobody can function in the world without identity because of what I just wrote above. One needs a sense of self to be able to relate to the sense of other. No relating is possible without duality. 

 

That’s an interesting take. I don’t know , it’s a tricky thing to figure out. Also in terms of language, how different people use words differently. When I say non dualists I’m talking about someone like Jim Newman or Tony parson, who claim to have no self but everything is in a way the same

[Sugarcoat]

4 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

A genuine one would not claim he/she has no sense of self. A genuine one would say "I have realized my nature to be beyond the ego sense of self." which is a bit different. 

I didn’t quote them exactly 

[Salvijus]

Just now, Sugarcoat said:

That’s an interesting take. I don’t know , it’s a tricky thing to figure out. Also in terms of language, how different people use words differently. When I say non dualists I’m talking about someone like Jim Newman or Tony parson, who claim to have no self but everything is in a way the same

Oh these two are 100% bonkers. Full of holes and logical flaws in what they teach. 

[Sugarcoat]

Just now, Salvijus said:

Oh these two are 100% bonkers. Full of holes and logical flaws in what they teach. 

Whaat I’ve gotten good impressions. Especially Jim Newman whom I like he’s very simple and straightforward 

[Salvijus]

2 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Whaat I’ve gotten good impressions. Especially Jim Newman whom I like he’s very simple and straightforward 

Haha. That's good. But I would trash them so bad if I got the chance... Debunking all the bs they teach. 

 

[Javfly33]

21 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

A big portion of them are deluded af. 

Some had glimpses of samadhi and absorbtion into nothingness where there is no sense of separation. But nobody can function in the world without identity because of what I just wrote above. One needs a sense of self to be able to relate to the sense of other. No relating is possible without duality. 

 

Aren´t you conflating sense of self vs creating a self to show/interact with others?

Is kind of like if I am an actor and I have to act like I am a murderer in a movie, and then since I don´t control my imagination, when the movie scene ends, i go back home and in the middle of the road i walk out of my car and murder a homeless, because 'i needed the sense of self' to be a murder in the movie scene. 

I don´t agree with you in that one, you can act or show a sense of self, withouth a having 'a sense' that you have a self.

Edited October 15 by Javfly33

[Javfly33]

35 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

Probably not. You couldn't relate to anything. The only reason one can relate to the world is if they have a sense of I. Then they have the sense of other. Then relating becomes possible. 

You don´t need to relate with the world to operate in the world. You can be conscious you are in your own solipsism dream and you are just extending the inevitable death, but you know others are you and you are alone in this dream.

I can move my legs without a sense of self, as like a crocodile can move its teeth without it.

Edited October 15 by Javfly33

[Salvijus]

To relate to something implies a relationship. 

To respond to something implies a relationship. 

A relationship implies two. 

Without duality there is no relating. That means you need a sense of self to relate. 

Edited October 15 by Salvijus

[Salvijus]

8 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

I can move my legs without a sense of self, as like a crocodile can move its teeth without it.

There is no such thing "without a sense of self". Sense of self never goes away. Even if the ego goes away. Sense of self remains. 

Edited October 15 by Salvijus

[Sugarcoat]

28 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

Haha. That's good. But I would trash them so bad if I got the chance... Debunking all the bs they teach. 

 

Feel free to start a thread

[Salvijus]

2 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Feel free to start a thread

Hehe, I wouldn't know where to start. I need opposition to make my brains work lol. I like this thread. We are basically covering some of the flaws in what they teach already. 

[Sugarcoat]

4 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

Hehe, I wouldn't know where to start. I need opposition to make my brains work lol. I like this thread. We are basically covering some of the flaws in what they teach already. 

Thanks

[Javfly33]

33 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

There is no such thing "without a sense of self". Sense of self never goes away. Even if the ego goes away. Sense of self remains. 

I have an issue with the word 'sense' because it reminds me of mind, sensation, and even emotion. Not with the word Self. 

[Salvijus]

What about this statement. 

All activity is the Self. 

[Salvijus]

10 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

reminds me of mind, sensation, and even emotion

These are the expressions of the Self also. The expressions can be pure or can be distorted due to false identity (ego). But those are the expressions of the Self nonetheless. 

Edited October 15 by Salvijus

[Salvijus]

Nothing happens on its own. Every action has a Source. And the source is always the Self. 

Edited October 15 by Salvijus

[UnbornTao]

9 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

What do you mean by “operative “

Occurring, happening. 

9 hours ago, Salvijus said:

Sense of self is the only thing in existence that is not and cannot be constructed. Under false identity the energy of self can take a distorted form and produce a contracted ego sense of self. But the sense of self itself cannot be constructed or deconstructed. It can change its expression only.

Again, by calling it a sense you are already taking it as something relative. If it's a sense, is it your nature? Do you exist as a process? If so, what is that experience about?

You are confusing what is with the conceptual amalgam that is oneself. That sense of being "one behind the scenes" might be assumed and conceptually-based. This sense might be representing a fabrication rather than your real self.

Edited October 16 by UnbornTao

[Keryo Koffa]

2 hours ago, Salvijus said:

Nothing happens on its own. Every action has a Source. And the source is always the Self. 

Does the source not happen on its own? Is every action not also its own source, a holon & link within the evolving Self? 
@Salvijus @Sugarcoat @Schizophonia

 I'm looking forward to you becoming our new Guru.

[Yimpa]

I Am the guru.

[Salvijus]

4 minutes ago, Keryo Koffa said:

 

 

Lol.