Are these woman lying? (Is this Dogma in Dating Culture?)

[UpperMaster]

I was scrolling through instagram and I came across a short video showcasing a podcast where the host asks many different girls which man she would chose. He shows two pictures, one of a model Chico Lachowski and the other of a Puerto Rican actor Luis Guzmán (I've uploaded the photos here). 

 

A lot of the woman in the podcast chose Luis Guzman OVER Chico Lachowski even though Chico looks better conventionally. They justified their choice by saying things like "he looks like a boy, I want a man" or "he looks like a ladyboy", or "I've dated guys that looked like number two before, and I much prefer the dad bod"

When the woman said this, the podcast host called on there bullshit, saying that their lying for chosing Luis Guzman over Chico as Chico is  obviously way better looking. He kind of alludes to the idea that the woman were chosing Luis Guzman to potray themselves as less shallow. 

The comments on the video were supporting the idea that the woman are lying. That they would never chose anyone like Luis. That there is a huge discrepancy between their actions in real life and who they chose during a podcast interview. because who the fuck would not chose Chico, he is super handsome, where as Luis is old and isn't as conventionally attractive. It even made sense to me, that these woman were bullshiting, and that when shit comes to shove, they would pick the more conventionally attractive looking guy, But then I caught myself, and possibly entertained the idea that this was simply dogma. I want to know if it is dogma or not.

 

So my question to you is, Do You think these woman are lying, or are they telling the truth. Do they actually prefer how Luis looks? 

Are looks objective, or is that dogma? (apparently there is research backing up the objectivity of looks, but I can definitely entertain the possibility that modern Beauty standards specifically in the blackpill and incel community is too harsh and contains dogma) (I Don't know if that's true, maybe the podcaster is completely right, that's why I am making this post)

Note: The woman clearly didn't know the two men (I am pretty sure, it seems like), so they were only judging looks.

I saw the video on instagram and forgot to save it, but I found the same upload on TikTok for which I will post here: https://www.tiktok.com/@whateverpod/video/7394521688366501162

 

The comments on TikTok, is much less incel audience and they are more mixed, however the same sort of comments (the comments supporting the podcaster) can be found, Il upload some. 

 

Thanks for reading, looking forward for what y'all sayin

Edited October 14 by UpperMaster

[Buck Edwards]

At first I didn't believe this post. So scrolled down a bit. 

Now after seeing the first one, I believe they are lying.  not gonna lie but the second guy looks a bit feminine. 

Harsh truth - 

Women want a handsome dude who is tall healthy, very masculine, knows how to flirt and value her and knows how to sexually please her, has a great personality and doesn't make her feel insecure, worships her and has a fat bank balance so she can splurge. 

That's it. 

And yes women value looks. 

Forget the first and second. Women like this kind of a guy. Masculine jaw and personality. 

 

Edited October 14 by Buck Edwards

[Leo Gura]

Don't use Instagram clickbait for serious understanding.

[Hojo]

There are definitely women out there who prefer older men and the presence and confidence of an older man. They have a bear feeling that make them feel safe and comfortable.

However if we put them next to each other and the young man was taller and buffer than the older man, and had a strong presence I feel like the only ones that would pick the older man are the older women who don't want to feel like pedophiles, which is kind of being dishonest.

Especially if neither were famous. The old man would have to be really funny.

Edited October 14 by Hojo

[Emerald]

I do think the Chico guy is more attractive.

But at the same time, I don't find either of those men particularly intriguing in that way... as I feel too attractive for one but not attractive enough for the other.

Give me a guy who's more attractive than Luis and less attractive than Chico and you'd be striking my goldilocks zone for looks.

Maybe the women are choosing Luis Guzman because they can imagine being desired and lusted after by him, and they view themselves as more proximal in attractiveness compared to him.

It's hard for an average woman to imagine being desired by a male model-looking guy.

And these types of guys end up in a similar category to gay men in the eyes of the average woman. They may be very attractive, but they're definitionally not interested in the average woman. And that's a turn off for the average woman.

I would turn myself off if I was with a guy who I felt was significantly more attractive than me. 

It's not fun to feel like a toad next to a swan. It's somewhat like the Feminine version of emasculation. 

So, I could see lots of women going for the less attractive guy for that reason as women tend to be hypogamous with looks. 

Edited October 15 by Emerald

[aurum]

Guys who look like Chico are going to do just fine. They just need to date women that have similar level of good looks.

[Buck Edwards]

1 hour ago, aurum said:

Guys who look like Chico are going to do just fine. They just need to date women that have similar level of good looks.

I never saw a good looking guy complaining about not getting a woman. So there you have it. 

[gettoefl]

Like likes like

Who you like

is who you're like

Edited October 15 by gettoefl

[Schizophonia]

They of course lie. 

 

[Princess Arabia]

Neither one for me in the looks category; but also remember that even when a woman can only see looks and nothing else, her radar can scan the guy for more than just his looks. She can tell (or is assuming, because she's not always right) a little but about if he'll be right for her just based on his looks alone - to a certain degree of course. No one knows for sure before you get to know the other person so we're speaking about even just the idea of giving him the opportunity to get to know her and to date or go out or whatever.

Guys judge women on their looks a lot and tend to think women are as looks-oriented when, they are, but it's the kind of looks that she can tell would be suited to her based on her age and level of development and not necessarily if he's hot or not.

The first guy is a little bit too hard on the eyes and the second one a little too easy; not manly looking enough. If I was caught in a corner, though, and my life dependent on choosing one i'd choose the first.

[Princess Arabia]

16 hours ago, Emerald said:

I do think the Chico guy is more attractive.

But at the same time, I don't find either of those men particularly intriguing in that way... as I feel too attractive for one but not attractive enough for the other.

Give me a guy who's more attractive than Luis and less attractive than Chico and you'd be striking my goldilocks zone for looks.

Maybe the women are choosing Luis Guzman because they can imagine being desired and lusted after by him, and they view themselves as more proximal in attractiveness compared to him.

It's hard for an average woman to imagine being desired by a male model-looking guy.

And these types of guys end up in a similar category to gay men in the eyes of the average woman. They may be very attractive, but they're definitionally not interested in the average woman. And that's a turn off for the average woman.

I would turn myself off if I was with a guy who I felt was significantly more attractive than me. 

It's not fun to feel like a toad next to a swan. It's somewhat like the Feminine version of emasculation. 

So, I could see lots of women going for the less attractive guy for that reason as women tend to be hypogamous with looks. 

Just curious as to who you'd choose based on the last sentence in my comment (if you can take a look) who would you choose in that situation. I gave my answer there in my comment. Just curious.

[Schizophonia]

I don't know what's going on all in your head on this topic lol, the second guy is clearly more androgenic (lean, hunter eyes, good facial development, good skin).

 

[Spiritual Warfare]

6 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

I don't know what's going on all in your head on this topic lol, the second guy is clearly more androgenic (lean, hunter eyes, good facial development, good skin).

 

All the girls in this thread know that any normal girl would choose the guy on the bottom. However, my teacher told me in school that girls want to be angels and not be too harsh, even though they know the truth. It’s frustrating that they can’t speak the truth on a site like this. @Princess Arabia, you know what @Emerald would say, so it’s time to stop playing games.

[Sugarcoat]

You have to understand women want to feel attractive. Emerald talked about this. So they might sometimes be drawn to less attractive men in order for them to feel attractive in comparison. Here the only other choice is a top model guy, if the choice was between a maybe 7/10 guy vs the first one I bet they would’ve chosen the 7/10 guy . Dating a top model isn’t quite appealing to many women who aren’t models themselves. Just because someone is more conventionally attractive doesn’t mean women will be more attracted to him, by this thing of feeling desirable themselves as I mentioned . And just biologically too, we tend to be attracted to people around our own level of attractiveness. Plus a last point women aren’t as looks oriented when being attracted to men as men are

Edited October 15 by Sugarcoat

[Schizophonia]

7 minutes ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

All the girls in this thread know that any normal girl would choose the guy on the bottom. However, my teacher told me in school that girls want to be angels and not be too harsh, even though they know the truth. It’s frustrating that they can’t speak the truth on a site like this. @Princess Arabia, you know what @Emerald would say, so it’s time to stop playing games.

Yea women prefer "to beat around the bush".

That's why they bore us so much lmao.

[NoSelfSelf]

They are connecting the story of how each would behave around them.

So they are connecting in their mind the looks to how the person is.

Also different type is evaluated by the purpose each woman wants from you.

That's why one shouldnt care what women say but which one respond to you. The more you grow the range of women interested in you grows asswell..

[Princess Arabia]

The women in the study chose the first, both @Emeraldand I deselected the second even though we didn't really choose the first, and you guys are still sticking to your ideas of how you think women are. You could be staring at an apple in the face and insist it's an orange if that's how you perceived it at first. 

Even when the women on the forum are saying the same thing, in so many words, guys are still refusing to realize they know nothing about the female gender. They will tell you that you're lying just to hold on to their beliefs about women. Then you wonder why........I'll leave that to the imagination because I could insert numerous things there. 

[Schizophonia]

6 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

You have to understand women want to feel attractive. Emerald alluded to this. So they might sometimes be drawn to less attractive men in order for them to feel attractive in comparison. Here the only other choice is a top model guy, if the choice was between a maybe 7/10 guy vs the first one I bet they would’ve chosen the 7/10 guy . Dating a top model isn’t quite appealing to many women who aren’t models themselves. Just because someone is more conventionally attractive doesn’t mean women will be more attracted to him, by this thing of feeling desirable themselves as I mentioned 

Why are you afraid of that? 

[Sugarcoat]

Just now, Schizophonia said:

Why are you afraid of that? 

I’m not

[Spiritual Warfare]

5 minutes ago, NoSelfSelf said:

They are connecting the story of how each would behave around them.

So they are connecting in their mind the looks to how the person is.

Also different type is evaluated by the purpose each woman wants from you.

That's why one shouldnt care what women say but which one respond to you. The more you grow the range of women interested in you grows asswell..

That is so fucking true.