Entire Spirituality in one video. Just 14 minutes.

[Princess Arabia]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

No way! we are sharpening our mind so that it cuts like a razor blade. Don't you hear how it sharpens? every moment a little sharper, until it can cut the reality

You'll be sharpening forever. There's but only one reality and you are already that. Now get to dreaming, imagining and creating the version of reality you want to experience and stop listening to that mind that's trying to keep you away from doing just that.

[Javfly33]

4 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

If you are open, there is not external and internal, nothing has a price because that price would be part of the existence, everything is an expression of yourself as reality. It's the same meditating or talk with someone, everything is the infinity flowing in itself. 

Yeah, in that case I agree, but that´s not most of the times for most humans. 

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Liberate from what? You still have to breath and eat, and have coats in winter and a place where sleep, the only that you would get is depending from less "external" things, but still there are, then, why not to have more? 

Clearly if you are not In that opening every second, 24/7, there is bound, isn´t it?

Why you are not unlimited 24/7? 

How can the unlimited be limited? Only because Liberation from limits and bounds has not happened. 

 

Having a peak at the mountain through the binoculars is not the same as conquering the mountain and sitting on the peak 👍

[Breakingthewall]

18 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

How can the unlimited be limited? Only because Liberation from limits and bounds has not happened. 

It's something that happens little by little, every day a bit more, one day a moment, another day more, a path that is becoming wider. There is not a liberation that happens and you are free, are thousands of liberation that are becoming more normal,clearing the residue of attachment. It is something very difficult, it requires a very clear intuition. Who is totally free of his limits all time? Sure there are people, but I don't know anyone, those gurus that are famous, I'd say no one of them

3 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

 

 

1 hour ago, Princess Arabia said:

You'll be sharpening forever. There's but only one reality and you are already that

Yes , always saying that, but you are closed in a mental bubble, what we are trying to do is breaking that bubble, its something real. It's not the same closed Bubble that openenss.

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[Princess Arabia]

27 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Yes , always saying that, but you are closed in a mental bubble, what we are trying to do is breaking that bubble, its something real. It's not the same closed Bubble that openenss.

Haven't seen you open it yet. There's only a dream bubble, my dear or however we phrase it. Creation is finished and there's only ONE existence. There's no you that needs to be open to anything in true Reality. There is nothing to break through because there is only existence and existence doesn't need to break through anything but only what the mind created for itself and believes it has to break through. Not saying it's not the case only that it's a part of your experience and ideas about existence and it will never happen because there's no such thing as a true outside existence apart from you. You're like an apple trying to break free from itself. It's already done and is the case.

This mental bubble you talk about is illusory.

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[Breakingthewall]

20 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Haven't seen you open it yet. There's only a dream bubble, my dear or however we phrase it. Creation is finished and there's only ONE existence. T

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3 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

 

Wrong, I'm totally open now. Sometimes I get closed again. Be open is having an unlimited mind, without any self reflection. 

 

20 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

There is nothing to break through because there is only existence and existence doesn't need to break through

It needs, the psyche is a bubble that can be desintegrate. You don't understand it because you never did, if not you would understand what I mean

 

20 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Not saying it's not the case only that it's a part of your experience and ideas about existence and it will never happen because there's no such thing as a true outside existence apart from you

I broke the bubble and then the bubble returns a lot of times. Sometimes I am hours and hours without bubble, in total openess, other times the bubble returns and I got in the mental loop again. Believe me, I know it perfectly because a reason: my mental loop is hell, it's like an ocd of hate. It could be in background, but always there, dense, intense, never stops. Then in a moment it's broken. In an instant the limits dissapear and I'm not myself anymore, it's openess. It could be 2, 3 days lately . Then in a moment the bubble returns, and it's absolutely impossible to get out of it at will, even for 1 second. I spent many years in the bubble, then I know exactly and without the slightest doubt when the bubble is broken, believe me, it's absolutely real

Edited October 16 by Breakingthewall

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Javfly33 said:

Why you are not unlimited 24/7? 

How can the unlimited be limited? Only because Liberation from limits and bounds has not happened. 

Do you think that this can happen totally? Maybe yes

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Princess Arabia said:

 

@Princess Arabia btw, why did you erase that thread about good and bad? It's an interesting topic. 

Edited October 16 by Breakingthewall

[Javfly33]

 

19 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Do you think that this can happen totally? Maybe yes

Why not? The openness is what you are. You are not the body nor anything limited. 

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Javfly33 said:

 

Why not? The openness is what you are. You are not the body nor anything limited. 

In a sense yes, how deny the body? It exists, it's not just an idea. There is a structure, ok that the mental world, the ego mind that make a scheme of you as a person with characteristics that is moving in a timeline is just an idea, but it's built upon real basis. 

But anyway, I think it's possible to live is a permanent openess to the unlimited, in fact i think that arrived to this point, we should achieve that. 

[Javfly33]

15 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

In a sense yes, how deny the body? It exists, it's not just an idea. There is a structure, ok that the mental world, the ego mind that make a scheme of you as a person with characteristics that is moving in a timeline is just an idea, but it's built upon real basis. 

But anyway, I think it's possible to live is a permanent openess to the unlimited, in fact i think that arrived to this point, we should achieve that. 

The body exists, I didn´t said it doesn't.

But if the body is gone tomorrow will you stop being you?

More than you are the body I'd say you are attached to the body, just like if you go to the sea to do surf sport and you put a rope to a surfing table to not fall to the sea, if after sometime you start thinking you are the surfing table then is a problem. 

 

How I see it is the 'structure' is the cement that sticks you to the body. 

In my opinion the idea is to dissolve the cement and just leave a thin rope so one doesn´t fall to the sea before one is not ready, but one can enjoy the surf.

Because if you use cement to stick yourself to a surfing table you will not go where you want to go, you'll have no voluntary movement, you will go where the sea wants to take you.

That´s why we use ropes to attach ourselves to the table and not cement ourselves with it when we go surfing 👍

Edited October 18 by Javfly33

[Breakingthewall]

2 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

But if the body is gone tomorrow will you stop being you?

In great extent yes. Without body there is no form or structure, not experience. The fact of having an experience, the mental structure, the possibility of have perception is because the body. Without body there is not perception, just atemporal existence. Ultimately is what we are, but right now we can't scape of the experience, it's impossible. You could say that it's imaginary, but imagine that you have a chronic pain maximum level, could you scape from it? Then in my opinion what we can do is perceive ourselves as unlimited existence in the most extent possible, but it's impossible totally, because we are prisoners of the experience, then better enjoy the depth of the experience in the most concious way possible, because more deep you perceive, better experience 

[Javfly33]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

In great extent yes. Without body there is no form or structure, not experience. 

What you are does not change no matter the external circumstances, this is what enlightment is, freedom from anything external, from any movement, cycle, any manifestation of reality. If one is dependent on this, then one is still in maya.  

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Ultimately is what we are, but right now we can't scape of the experience

From the point of view of identification yes, you can not escape it.

But the point is to stop having an experience at all, once experience ends there is nothing to escape from. 👍
 

Body exists, a mind functions, but you are somewhere else, with a little red cord tied to your ankle so you can hold on to the body. 

Edited October 18 by Javfly33

[James123]

2 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Without body there is not perception, just atemporal existence

The ego / you / universe / body is identical. 

Edited October 18 by James123

[Jordan]

I like this concept. I already knew having a goal or a reason for doing something put you in the future imagination and more asleep but the way it is described in the video helped me understand more deeply. I also thought maybe instead of focusing on part of the present moment, focus on all of it equally. It makes me feel like I am tripping when I do that for a few seconds. I will try experimenting with that.

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Javfly33 said:

What you are does not change no matter the external circumstances, this is what enlightment is, freedom from anything external, from any movement, cycle, any manifestation of reality

Nobody could be happy enjailed alone in a box of 2X1x1 m at 45° during 5 years. Well, maybe it's possible in some exceptional case, but do you think that you could achieve that level? I'm sure that me not, this level of detachment is not possible even as an idea. Well, except I'm there, then I would try. 

39 minutes ago, James123 said:

The ego / you / universe / body is identical. 

Yes, but the ego exist. 

[Javfly33]

43 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Nobody could be happy enjailed alone in a box of 2X1x1 m at 45° during 5 years. Well, maybe it's possible in some exceptional case, but do you think that you could achieve that level? I'm sure that me not, this level of detachment is not possible even as an idea. Well, except I'm there, then I would try. 

Yes, but the ego exist. 

Take into account Reality tends to function aligned where were you are in life.

People that land in jail is either because they did something wrong or they were in the wrong place at the wrong time. (but this is another type of karma, so is not luck)

Is difficult that you will end in jail if you are vibrating in high states of consciousness, naturally all reality will function towards your own alignment. 

Edited October 18 by Javfly33

[Breakingthewall]

48 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

Take into account Reality tends to function aligned where were you are in life.

People that land in jail is either because they did something wrong or they were in the wrong place at the wrong time. (but this is another type of karma, so is not luck)

Is difficult that you will end in jail if you are vibrating in high states of consciousness, naturally all reality will function towards your own alignment. 

It may happen that your city is invaded by the imperial Japanese army and that a sadistic samurai does not like your face and tortures you for years. You can believe that this is because you did something in another life, but this is just a belief, maybe you were in the wrong place and that's it. For example Jesus was crucified, many bad things could happen, that's life. 

[Javfly33]

14 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

It may happen that your city is invaded by the imperial Japanese army and that a sadistic samurai does not like your face and tortures you for years. You can believe that this is because you did something in another life, but this is just a belief, maybe you were in the wrong place and that's it. For example Jesus was crucified, many bad things could happen, that's life. 

I don´t mean in the way like you were bad and then the next life you are tortured.

More than if you are in that city is because thats what your karma is.

The same way if I go live to mumbai city centre for 20 years I might get pulmonary damage because of contamination. Is not because I did anything wrong, is because I was there. Me living in mumbai city centre for 20 years is a certain type of karma. 

Doesn´t matter if im an activitist for world peace, if I live there for a long time there will be consequences. 

Karma is not a mechanism of reward-punishment, but rather act-consequence. 

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For example Jesus was crucified, many bad things could happen, that's life. 

I´d say that is an exception because Jesus knew what he was doing and didn´t care. 

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[Breakingthewall]

@Javfly33

2 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

 

Well, a less dramatic example, tomorrow you could have a stroke and spend 20 years without moving in a hospital bed without being able to communicate. Would it be possible to be happy? In theory yes, but for a human it is very difficult, you should cancel your humanity. That's what you mean when you say you can be untouchable due to circumstances, is it really possible? become non-human, absolutely indifferent, without any need, empty of what is human. that is the enlightenment that you propose. Really, thats the only real total enlightenment imo 

[Javfly33]

51 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

@Javfly33

Well, a less dramatic example, tomorrow you could have a stroke and spend 20 years without moving in a hospital bed without being able to communicate. Would it be possible to be happy? 

That won´t happen 

I know things as cancer, car accident, etc... will not happen to me. I know it sounds arrogant but i say this due to a certain understanding of the configuration of the structure, is just not in my configuration in this life.  But I have to deal with some other shit though, is not that i have it easier. But certainly that is not in my menu and life challenges won´t come to me in that way.

 

In spanish they say "Dios aprieta pero no ahoga".

Whatever happens in your life is adjusted to the level of karma you can handle. So if you get enslaved by nazis that is a level of karma your system is ready for. 

 

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become non-human, absolutely indifferent, without any need, empty of what is human. that is the enlightenment that you propose. Really, thats the only real total enlightenment imo 

@Breakingthewall The problem is that you are describing humanity or human as limits, as the definition of limitation.

My perspective is completely the opposite, only because you are in a human form, you have possibilities you would not have in other forms. 

Once you come in this existence as a human, freedom is the question. For animals there is only 1 straight line where life happens; birth and death. In that line everything happens easy: eat, reproduce and shit. Is all very clear.

But for humans the possibility is literally endless. There is no "Top line" for a human. So you guys talking about humans as limitations is missing the point. Is actually the contrary. 

Edited October 18 by Javfly33