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[Javfly33]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

Yes but if your bathroom has infinite tiles, 56 or 57 is the same

I don´t understand what you mean by that.

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

 

Arrive to that is what make possible the openess. Knowing that there is no goal is nothing, the openess is everything 

For you The openness is a goal, isn't it? @Breakingthewall

People have been teaching these things, just surrender, kill the desire, no goal, no purpose. Yet the reality is which one who says those things is able to sit in a chair and have infinity on their lap?

That one which arrives at that, then yes, for him there Is no goal anymore.

 

But to reach there you must have desire and a goal to get there.

Is like this, today I tell you I surrender all desires and I let go to the reality, but tomorrow im calling an escort and snorting half a gram of coke because Realization has not happened so the life within is still trying to find expansion, with whatever means, no matter how much my mind thinks is Enlightened. This would be hypocrisy and lying to oneself, and is what I see a lot of people doing. 

Edited October 14 by Javfly33

[Ishanga]

23 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

I don´t understand what you mean by that.

For you The openness is a goal, isn't it? @Breakingthewall

People have been teaching these things, just surrender, kill the desire, no goal, no purpose. Yet the reality is which one who says those things is able to sit in a chair and have infinity on their lap?

That one which arrives at that, then yes, for him there Is no goal anymore.

 

But to reach there you must have desire and a goal to get there.

Is like this, today I tell you I surrender all desires and I let go to the reality, but tomorrow im calling an escort and snorting half a gram of coke because Realization has not happened so the life within is still trying to find expansion, with whatever means, no matter how much my mind thinks is Enlightened. This would be hypocrisy and lying to oneself, and is what I see a lot of people doing. 

Agreed, that is why Non Duality is half right and half wrong, when they say nothing is happeing, nothing is needed, so it a way this sort of teaching is dangerous, anything that is incomplete is dangerous. The complete way is to see the whole reality, we are here with a Body and Mind, and duality/materialism to deal with, and an identification probelm, ego situation, karma and so forth, its not so simple, and not Mind Made up stuffs. its Real..

But we can live above all this stuff, but we need to seek it for most of Us, not all but most.. Seeking is where Sadhana come in, forget Enlightenment if You are not already naturally Peaceful/blissful everyday, every moment!

 

[Breakingthewall]

33 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

I don´t understand what you mean by that.

For you The openness is a goal, isn't it? @Breakingthewall

People have been teaching these things, just surrender, kill the desire, no goal, no purpose. Yet the reality is which one who says those things is able to sit in a chair and have infinity on their lap?

That one which arrives at that, then yes, for him there Is no goal anymore.

 

But to reach there you must have desire and a goal to get there.

Is like this, today I tell you I surrender all desires and I let go to the reality, but tomorrow im calling an escort and snorting half a gram of coke because Realization has not happened so the life within is still trying to find expansion, with whatever means, no matter how much my mind thinks is Enlightened. This would be hypocrisy and lying to oneself, and is what I see a lot of people doing. 

You have to distinguish between the relative and the absolute. In the relative there is meaning and goal, but they are relative, in the absolute ,no meaning or goal. So, I, who live in the relative, make it my goal today to open myself for a while to the absolute. Why? because I like it and it's necessary for my balance. So, I focus on an absolute perspective, since I know how to do it, and the relative reality dissolves for a while and I am one with the bottomless existence. Then I go out into the street and try to have sex with two models at the same time if possible (well I don't try but just because i know the result ). the half gram of cocaine not because it seems like a very stupid drug to me, but a little bit of lsd and a few hits of dmt during, wouldn't be bad

Edited October 14 by Breakingthewall

[Breakingthewall]

19 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

forget Enlightenment if You are not already naturally Peaceful/blissful everyday, every moment!

Not true, it doesn't depends of that, depends of the density of your ego and of the understanding of the relative mind. You could be full of shit thinking in a lot of problems and in a given moment decide to break your structure and open yourself to the absolute perspective. It's like a skill, something that it's possible to learn. But the ego must be thin, no lies in you, conciouss and unconciouss always merged. No lies doesn't mean happiness, you could be worry about many relative things in a obsessive level, but be able to make a break and make all that worries lighter, but still existing, in a relative level

Edited October 14 by Breakingthewall

[James123]

58 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

For you The openness is a goal, isn't it? @Breakingthewall

He is saying, when you are completely open, you realize that there is no goal. 

33 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

Agreed, that is why Non Duality is half right and half wrong, when they say nothing is happeing, nothing is needed, so it a way this sort of teaching is dangerous, anything that is incomplete is dangerous. The complete way is to see the whole reality, we are here with a Body and Mind, and duality/materialism to deal with, and an identification probelm, ego situation, karma and so forth, its not so simple, and not Mind Made up stuffs. its Real..

But we can live above all this stuff, but we need to seek it for most of Us, not all but most.. Seeking is where Sadhana come in, forget Enlightenment if You are not already naturally Peaceful/blissful everyday, every moment!

 

The most important thing is understanding that even if you are enlightened or not, what will be change? Nothing. Just dance man, have fun, just dance. 

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, James123 said:

He is saying, when you are completely open, you realize that there is no goal. 

The most important thing is understanding that even if you are enlightened or not, what will be change? Nothing. Just dance man, have fun, just dance. 

Exactly, at the end enlightenment is just something relative, from an absolute perspective it's exactly the same, it's just something that we do to have a better experience, but we are (as you use to say) absolutely nothing, just an appearance 

[Ishanga]

1 hour ago, James123 said:

He is saying, when you are completely open, you realize that there is no goal. 

The most important thing is understanding that even if you are enlightened or not, what will be change? Nothing. Just dance man, have fun, just dance. 

What changes is that we are living at a Higher Potential than before, so that is the point of Human Life anyways I think. If You make it a Mental Goal, it will get messed up. All life expressions/forms have this potential naturally within them, we just have the highest potential...

We have to see it not in that Absolute POV all the time, we are living in Relative POV most of the time, so we have to deal with it!!

[James123]

3 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

What changes is that we are living at a Higher Potential than before, so that is the point of Human Life anyways I think. If You make it a Mental Goal, it will get messed up. All life expressions/forms have this potential naturally within them, we just have the highest potential...

We have to see it not in that Absolute POV all the time, we are living in Relative POV most of the time, so we have to deal with it!!

The one who is saying my sentences and your sentences are just an illusion. Do not take him seriously.

14 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Exactly, at the end enlightenment is just something relative, from an absolute perspective it's exactly the same, it's just something that we do to have a better experience, but we are (as you use to say) absolutely nothing, just an appearance 

Absofuckinglutely.

[Breakingthewall]

5 hours ago, James123 said:

The one who is saying my sentences and your sentences are just an illusion. Do not take him seriously.

Almost nobody wants enlightenment, because for that you have to pass through the absolute nihilism. After the absolute nihilism absolute existence opens itself, but first you have to drop everything. You can't pass through the door with any single milligram of self. God, creation, intention, evolution , purpose, are self. Are too tempting to drop them, the self always want keep a bit of each one. 

Edited October 14 by Breakingthewall

[Princess Arabia]

Beautiful video. 
 

[Breakingthewall]

10 hours ago, James123 said:

Amazing, unbelievable. 

 

Anyway, is reality playing, as Osho said? It's just happening because is unlimited. It's just existing, and existing is this. Playing implies desire. Desire ties you in the self. 

The absolute glory of reality is less than playing, it's nothing, just existing. Then it's infinitely more, it's everything. 

Then Osho probably is closed to the absolute . Or maybe he means that playing is just existing? Could be, but seems that playing is something that the self does

Edited October 14 by Breakingthewall

[James123]

3 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

The absolute glory of reality is less than playing, it's nothing, just existing. Then it's infinitely more, it's everything. 

Then Osho probably is closed to the absolute . Or maybe he means that playing is just existing? Could be, but seems that playing is something that the self does

He means as playing, not taking anything seriously. Even questioning something is taking something seriously. 

[Breakingthewall]

2 hours ago, James123 said:

not taking anything seriously.

Reality is happening, is not taking it seriously or not seriously because it's not anyone. Osho identifies the reality with someone or something who plays, then he don't understand what reality is. I think it's a big difference, but anyway, maybe he means anything else 

Edited October 15 by Breakingthewall

[Someone here]

@James123 🙏 I fucking love this man . Him and Robert Adams have literally saved my life .

BTW I posted that video in my first few threads on this forum back in 2020 i guess .

I'm smoking a joint rn while listening and I'm in a high state of consciousness.

[Javfly33]

18 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Then I go out into the street and try to have sex with two models at the same time if possible (well I don't try but just because i know the result ). the half gram of cocaine not because it seems like a very stupid drug to me, but a little bit of lsd and a few hits of dmt during, wouldn't be bad

I guess there would not be issue in doing that, as long as you are doing it from a place of freedom, for example let´ say you go have sex with this two models as an expression of the love, of the infinity that you are in, then having sex with this two models just happens as a consequence of this already opened state, and so the act itself is neutral.

But let´s say you go looking for sex with two models out of neediness, out of trying to extract something, then it means you are entangling yourself with the outside to try to achieve the state or expansion you could already be within. Anything that we do because within we are not already on that level, and try to get to that level with external means, means we are engaging in transactions that entangle us. 

Additionally if we add dmt or lsd it means we are not already in that expanded state because if you need any chemical that means within you are not at the state of that chemical, again another transaction with the outside that represent we are still not completely realized within. 

That´s why we are trying to become completely independent from the outside, we want to snap our fingers and have all Existence within, from that place any move we do in reality is a gift we give to the rest...but within we don´t need anything. We have gone from beggars to givers. 🙏

Edited October 15 by Javfly33

[James123]

3 hours ago, Someone here said:

@James123 🙏 I fucking love this man . Him and Robert Adams have literally saved my life .

BTW I posted that video in my first few threads on this forum back in 2020 i guess .

I'm smoking a joint rn while listening and I'm in a high state of consciousness.

Good for you brother. Good for you 😁 

[Breakingthewall]

36 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

That´s why we are trying to become completely independent from the outside, we want to snap our fingers and have all Existence within, from that place any move we do in reality is a gift we give to the rest...but within we don´t need anything. We have gone from beggars to givers

I'm not sure, you can meditate and be totally open to yourself a while but after you could enjoy of the external things. Really, nothing is external, everything is the reality, then there are many things that you could like, see the beauty in nature, do any sport, do business, have sex, communicate with people , etc. the point is not doing as a drug because you need just because you like. You could like DMT , or anything else. I guess that if you shift to the absolute more and more and for you is the main reality and the form has less importance, you would be less and less interested in the "external", but for me a balance is better

19 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

don´t understand what you mean by that.

I mean that in comparison with infinity it's the same to know your 750 past lives as sadhguru or knowing what you dinner yesterday 

Edited October 15 by Breakingthewall

[shree]

Osho’s teachings about life having no purpose and living in the moment sound good, but there's a clear contradiction when you look at his own life. He often said we shouldn’t have goals and that everything is perfect as it is. But in reality, he built a large community of followers who took care of his every need.

If life really has no purpose, why did he work so hard to attract followers and turn them into sanyassins? Why create such a big movement if everything was already fine as it was? It’s easy to talk about having no goals when you have hundreds of people looking after you. This raises the question: were his actions really in line with what he was teaching, or was there a hidden purpose behind it all?

 

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Don’t get me wrong. I've spent a big part of my life listening to Osho, and I deeply admire his work. I’ve experienced the sense of purposelessness enough times to understand his teachings on it. But I don’t see why we should talk about these absolute insights in the relative world, where they can sometimes do more harm than good.

It’s like teaching a child an Old Testament quote, "Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil..." It just doesn’t fit in certain situations. Similarly, speaking about absolute concepts in a world where people are dealing with real, practical issues can feel disconnected or even harmful.

[shree]

14 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Almost nobody wants enlightenment, because for that you have to pass through the absolute nihilism. After the absolute nihilism absolute existence opens itself, but first you have to drop everything. You can't pass through the door with any single milligram of self. God, creation, intention, evolution , purpose, are self. Are too tempting to drop them, the self always want keep a bit of each one. 

I love this. Well written.

[James123]

2 hours ago, shree said:

Osho’s teachings about life having no purpose and living in the moment sound good, but there's a clear contradiction when you look at his own life. He often said we shouldn’t have goals and that everything is perfect as it is. But in reality, he built a large community of followers who took care of his every need.

If life really has no purpose, why did he work so hard to attract followers and turn them into sanyassins? Why create such a big movement if everything was already fine as it was? It’s easy to talk about having no goals when you have hundreds of people looking after you. This raises the question: were his actions really in line with what he was teaching, or was there a hidden purpose behind it all?

 

.....

 

Don’t get me wrong. I've spent a big part of my life listening to Osho, and I deeply admire his work. I’ve experienced the sense of purposelessness enough times to understand his teachings on it. But I don’t see why we should talk about these absolute insights in the relative world, where they can sometimes do more harm than good.

It’s like teaching a child an Old Testament quote, "Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil..." It just doesn’t fit in certain situations. Similarly, speaking about absolute concepts in a world where people are dealing with real, practical issues can feel disconnected or even harmful.

Why you are even questioning about what he did instead of focusing on what he said?